Euro 2013 u21s

[topgoon]

Just watched the dire sh*te that is the England yoof full of decent talent like Ince,Zaha and Redmond. And big I am's like Rose and Chalobah.Even Butland has looked quite poor in the tournament.

Like a couple of nights ago they were poor. Stuart Pearce is a god awful manager whose idea of expansive football is to put 2 forward minded players in the back when desperate for a goal and send Caulker upfront for a bit of HOOF-ball.

This dinosaur is in charge of the u21s and people wonder why they've won sweet FA. They go on about their great 9 game clean sheet and unbeaten record. All gained by playing negative hoof-ball and set piece goals. This is fine if there is something else there but under him, there is nothing. They will not progress tactically under this average manager.

But it's not his fault that under his 6year tutelage the players are tactically inept....no it's down to Walcott/The Ox and Jack not having any tactical awareness they have destroyed by this tw*t. I noticed the cowardly c**t didn't mention Jones/Welbeck/Smalling's absence when Fergie was still around.If the FA give him a new contract then God help them.

I am not Theo's greatest fan but you have to admit it's quite cowardly the way people have used him for their own ends in the media. The day after a dire defeat and performance against Italy Pearce came out with this http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/en ... 87900.html

Then there was Gerrard using his 16yr old call up by Sven to sell some more of his Stevie Me sh*te and the less said about those bitter tw*ts who did bugger all in the England squad(Stewart Robson and Chris Waddle) the better.

Makes you wish Walcott wasn't such a 'nice boy' and gave that c*nt Pearce a piece of his mind and remind him of his awful management of City and his genius tactical decision of putting David James up front.

On a side note watching the studio panel hasn't Paul -I get net rash everytime I play the Arsenal-Robinson gotten a bit FAT

[Brady's left peg]

Just watched the dire sh*te that is the England yoof full of decent talent like Ince,Zaha and Redmond. And big I am's like Rose and Chalobah.Even Butland has looked quite poor in the tournament.

Like a couple of nights ago they were poor. Stuart Pearce is a god awful manager whose idea of expansive football is to put 2 forward minded players in the back when desperate for a goal and send Caulker upfront for a bit of HOOF-ball.

This dinosaur is in charge of the u21s and people wonder why they've won sweet FA. They go on about their great 9 game clean sheet and unbeaten record. All gained by playing negative hoof-ball and set piece goals. This is fine if there is something else there but under him, there is nothing. They will not progress tactically under this average manager.

But it's not his fault that under his 6year tutelage the players are tactically inept....no it's down to Walcott/The Ox and Jack not having any tactical awareness they have destroyed by this tw*t. I noticed the cowardly c**t didn't mention Jones/Welbeck/Smalling's absence when Fergie was still around.If the FA give him a new contract then God help them.

I am not Theo's greatest fan but you have to admit it's quite cowardly the way people have used him for their own ends in the media. The day after a dire defeat and performance against Italy Pearce came out with this http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/en ... 87900.html

Then there was Gerrard using his 16yr old call up by Sven to sell some more of his Stevie Me sh*te and the less said about those bitter tw*ts who did bugger all in the England squad(Stewart Robson and Chris Waddle) the better.

Makes you wish Walcott wasn't such a 'nice boy' and gave that c*nt Pearce a piece of his mind and remind him of his awful management of City and his genius tactical decision of putting David James up front.

On a side note watching the studio panel hasn't Paul -I get net rash everytime I play the Arsenal-Robinson gotten a bit FAT

Average manager topgoon? I think your being a tad on the generous side there. Pearce is and always has been a fucking useless manager!

[northbank123]

Listen to that prick and how unfair it is that he can't pick players like Wilshere that are knackered and have been playing for the senior team for 3 years. Stuart Pearce is a clueless wanker that probably dreams of having some tactical nous and being able to manage Stoke one day. Absolute *word censored*.

Time England stopped treating the U21s as a competition worth winning in its own right and started treating it like it is - a chance to bring players through. The likes of Danny Rose and Jordan Henderson have over 50 caps between them - why???? Given that neither are ever going to be good enough for the seniors, why not use the U21s as an opportunity to play promising 17/18 year olds?

[SteveO 35]

Whilst I agree with the comments about Pearce (amazed if he keeps the job) the simple fact, just like the seniors, is that we aren't good enough. We had a supposed 15m footballer out there in Zaha and players like Caulker that have played a season and a half of PL football.

These players are overrated because they are lucky enough to be born into a country that lives and breathes football and rewards its participants as handsomely as anywhere in the world......more so at their age actually.

The Norwegians had players just as good so all this bollocks about St George's Park etc doesn't cut it for me. I wouldn't have thought those Norwegian kids were earning 20k per week and attending a centre of excellence

We're just not very good and isn't down to just the coach. Look at the seniors........hire foreign coach in Sven, no that doesn't work......so hire English coach in McClaren, no that doesn't work........hire foreign coach in Capello, no that doesn't work........revert to English coach in Woy, that won't work

Getting rid of Pearce will be like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. We are shit. End of. And Zaha showed all the reasons why I'm glad we dodged that bullet. A stepover showpony - he was fucking crap

[topgoon]

Whilst I agree with the comments about Pearce (amazed if he keeps the job) the simple fact, just like the seniors, is that we aren't good enough. We had a supposed 15m footballer out there in Zaha and players like Caulker that have played a season and a half of PL football.

These players are overrated because they are lucky enough to be born into a country that lives and breathes football and rewards its participants as handsomely as anywhere in the world......more so at their age actually.

The Norwegians had players just as good so all this bollocks about St George's Park etc doesn't cut it for me. I wouldn't have thought those Norwegian kids were earning 20k per week and attending a centre of excellence

We're just not very good and isn't down to just the coach. Look at the seniors........hire foreign coach in Sven, no that doesn't work......so hire English coach in McClaren, no that doesn't work........hire foreign coach in Capello, no that doesn't work........revert to English coach in Woy, that won't work

Getting rid of Pearce will be like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. We are shit. End of. And Zaha showed all the reasons why I'm glad we dodged that bullet. A stepover showpony - he was fucking crap

What I don't get is just how poor in retaining the ball they are and that's both teams. None of their FBs/Wingers can cross the ball and I mean that for both seniors and juniors.

The Italians were technically streets ahead and that giant of world football Norway made them look like a league one side

[SteveO 35]

Whilst I agree with the comments about Pearce (amazed if he keeps the job) the simple fact, just like the seniors, is that we aren't good enough. We had a supposed 15m footballer out there in Zaha and players like Caulker that have played a season and a half of PL football.

These players are overrated because they are lucky enough to be born into a country that lives and breathes football and rewards its participants as handsomely as anywhere in the world......more so at their age actually.

The Norwegians had players just as good so all this bollocks about St George's Park etc doesn't cut it for me. I wouldn't have thought those Norwegian kids were earning 20k per week and attending a centre of excellence

We're just not very good and isn't down to just the coach. Look at the seniors........hire foreign coach in Sven, no that doesn't work......so hire English coach in McClaren, no that doesn't work........hire foreign coach in Capello, no that doesn't work........revert to English coach in Woy, that won't work

Getting rid of Pearce will be like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. We are shit. End of. And Zaha showed all the reasons why I'm glad we dodged that bullet. A stepover showpony - he was fucking crap

What I don't get is just how poor in retaining the ball they are and that's both teams. None of their FBs/Wingers can cross the ball and I mean that for both seniors and juniors.

The Italians were technically streets ahead and that giant of world football Norway made them look like a league one side

Agreed and did you notice as soon as we went a goal down we reverted to chipping the ball down the channels - absolute crap. No progression for me ever since I began watching English teams play. We'll always rave about players like Wilshere and Zaha but we've always been able to produce the odd bright spark - Hoddle, Gascoigne, Barnes etc.

But I still have never seen an English team play with 11 players capable of dominating possession and with a consistent cutting edge to their play, and isn't because of Sven, Capello, Pearce, Peter Taylor etc.

Having watched my lad play footie since the age of 8 there are so many rubbish coaches and boys encouraged to lump the thing long to a big strong lad up front - its still a fundamental tactic at grass roots. Some coaches should be banned from working with kids ever again

[Rosie_titters]

England will always be shit, until they start giving jobs to coaches, who are techincally gifted, sadly there are no ex English players out there that can do that.

maybe the road forward is to get the likes of Seedorf, Bergkamp, Zidane, etc, etc, etc who can teach the kids how to pass a ball, and develop there skills..

[Perryashburtongroves]

Pearce is a clueless idiot who somehow manages to get people to listen to his idiotic views. He's a dinosaur who thinks that going on about pride and heart will make up for ineptitude and tactical ignorance. In no other country other than England would he find work with elite level players. He's the football equivalent of The Sun newspaper; full of shit but still somehow popular.

[northbank123]

I do agree with you SteveO - no matter how good the U21s coach is it ain't going to change the fact that over here technical coaching features a distant third to physicality and winning at all costs, even at Academy level.

But still, Pearce is a *word censored* of the highest order.

[augie]

Far be it for me to defend pearce, cos he is a shit manager, but the fact is that he is 95% right when he moans about not having players available to him. We all bemoan the power that the prem league and clubs hold and we are all aware that their motives are all about ££££ so is it right that the national team takes a back seat to their agenda ? In Ireland we were going through this situation (on a much smaller scale obviously) back when big jack was in charge and roy keane was "injured" for most friendlies (esp the away games) and the welsh went through out with giggs who was almost 30 when he played his first friendly for them, but is that right or acceptable ? We slate players obsession with money but are the club not feeding that agenda but "encouraging" them to be unavailable for their countries ? Where is the "little boy inside" of these players (copyright rvp ) who grew up dreaming of playing for their countries ? Until the fa's grow a pair and stand up to these clubs and insist that all players who are not injured must make themselves available for selection at all times and failure to do so should result in domestic bans for the players concerned. My one clause on that (the missing 5% if you will ) is that I think that players who have played in a large % of their countries senior international in the previous 12 months should not be available to the under 21's.

Regarding the lack of technical ability of your players/teams then that problem can be traced down to parents, players, coaches and fans at every level from schoolboy level upwards. In the uk and Ireland we place more value on those 100% committed workaholic players than those who have more finesse to their game - we appreciate players "who get stuck in" to the point that we expect every single player to do that As a parent with kids playing the game I see first hand how the attitudes of parents and coaches play such a big part in sending kids down the wrong roads and how the emphasis on winning supercedes that of development - last season our local club had two guys "coaching" our under 13 team and their idea of coaching these kids was to make them run 14-15 laps of the field (not the pitch mind) and in one week they had two training sessions where they didnt actually kick a ball at all As a person on the club committee, I did have a chat with one of the managers concerned and he told me that because our kids were playing against bigger clubs and bigger players, the only hope we had is if we had our team fitter than the rest and the sad thing is because the team were winning matches the parents accepted it I pointed out to the guy that winning is indeed great, especially for the kids, but their duty was to develop and coach kids for a lifetime playing the game and not just for one season so that in years to come they will be able to step up a level when needed, but of course my words fell on deaf ears.

As a parent I would be horrified if my kids were "coached" like that and would pull them out of our club if need be. As a guy that has coached adults and kids (briefly) I continue to buy coaching dvd's where possible so that I can bring something positive to the table instead of just passion and commitment. As parents we should focus on those same ideals and instill them into our kids cos kids have to enjoy playing and training or they will be lost from the game forever. At under 12 level over here (think it is the same over there) our kids are pushed up to full size pitches and full size goals......at 11 and 12 years of age ?? What.The.Fcuk is that all about ? All that does is encourages kids to hoof the ball down full as hard as they can cos of the length of the pitch and kids playing in defence might not get 10 touches of the ball in a whole game In europe these games are played on mini pitches where kids get a lot more touches of the ball which will in turn make them more comfortable in possession and would allow teams like engerland under 21s to play football properly and not just hoof it forward at the first sign of opposition pressure

Sorry I went off on one there but coaching kids properly is a big issue in my book and until we change the whole mentality of development of players then teams from Ireland and the uk will continue to get spanked any time they meet have decent opposition

[QuartzGooner]

I do not think Pearce was having a go at Walcott.
He was just asking for more time to work with the promising young player instead of the joining the senior squad.

But what is the best for those players?

To train with the senior pros, or to have experience of tournaments but with a lower level of player?

If an 18 or 19 year old is good enough and is going to get playing time then they should be moved up so they can learn off experienced pros.
If they are not going to get playing time in the senior squad then keep them in the under 21s.

[Goose]

Just watched the dire sh*te that is the England yoof full of decent talent like Ince,Zaha and Redmond. And big I am's like Rose and Chalobah.Even Butland has looked quite poor in the tournament.

Like a couple of nights ago they were poor. Stuart Pearce is a god awful manager whose idea of expansive football is to put 2 forward minded players in the back when desperate for a goal and send Caulker upfront for a bit of HOOF-ball.

This dinosaur is in charge of the u21s and people wonder why they've won sweet FA. They go on about their great 9 game clean sheet and unbeaten record. All gained by playing negative hoof-ball and set piece goals. This is fine if there is something else there but under him, there is nothing. They will not progress tactically under this average manager.

But it's not his fault that under his 6year tutelage the players are tactically inept....no it's down to Walcott/The Ox and Jack not having any tactical awareness they have destroyed by this tw*t. I noticed the cowardly c**t didn't mention Jones/Welbeck/Smalling's absence when Fergie was still around.If the FA give him a new contract then God help them.

I am not Theo's greatest fan but you have to admit it's quite cowardly the way people have used him for their own ends in the media. The day after a dire defeat and performance against Italy Pearce came out with this http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/en ... 87900.html

Then there was Gerrard using his 16yr old call up by Sven to sell some more of his Stevie Me sh*te and the less said about those bitter tw*ts who did bugger all in the England squad(Stewart Robson and Chris Waddle) the better.

Makes you wish Walcott wasn't such a 'nice boy' and gave that c*nt Pearce a piece of his mind and remind him of his awful management of City and his genius tactical decision of putting David James up front.

On a side note watching the studio panel hasn't Paul -I get net rash everytime I play the Arsenal-Robinson gotten a bit FAT

I am sure Pearce's ability to detect and nurture talent will see him through this difficult spell

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[EC3]

I've just comeback from Isreal, went to the England v Italy game and I thought England were second best.

I also happened to be in Turkey the previous week in the same hotel as the England U21 team.

One evening Pearce walked past so I said "hello Stuart I wish you all the best in Isreal" and he barely turned his head, the prick.

[Top Londoner]

I've just comeback from Isreal, went to the England v Italy game and I thought England were second best.

I also happened to be in Turkey the previous week in the same hotel as the England U21 team.

One evening Pearce walked past so I said "hello Stuart I wish you all the best in Isreal" and he barely turned his head, the prick.

Sometime ago, back in the early 90's, I went to the City ground and witnessed him break the leg of a Burnley player during an FA cup game. Fast forward to the noughties, and I saw him outside Wembley stadium. I shouted out to him, "oi Pearce, yer a leg breaking crunt thug". He ignored me too.

[Brady's left peg]

Far be it for me to defend pearce, cos he is a shit manager, but the fact is that he is 95% right when he moans about not having players available to him. We all bemoan the power that the prem league and clubs hold and we are all aware that their motives are all about ££££ so is it right that the national team takes a back seat to their agenda ? In Ireland we were going through this situation (on a much smaller scale obviously) back when big jack was in charge and roy keane was "injured" for most friendlies (esp the away games) and the welsh went through out with giggs who was almost 30 when he played his first friendly for them, but is that right or acceptable ? We slate players obsession with money but are the club not feeding that agenda but "encouraging" them to be unavailable for their countries ? Where is the "little boy inside" of these players (copyright rvp ) who grew up dreaming of playing for their countries ? Until the fa's grow a pair and stand up to these clubs and insist that all players who are not injured must make themselves available for selection at all times and failure to do so should result in domestic bans for the players concerned. My one clause on that (the missing 5% if you will ) is that I think that players who have played in a large % of their countries senior international in the previous 12 months should not be available to the under 21's.

Regarding the lack of technical ability of your players/teams then that problem can be traced down to parents, players, coaches and fans at every level from schoolboy level upwards. In the uk and Ireland we place more value on those 100% committed workaholic players than those who have more finesse to their game - we appreciate players "who get stuck in" to the point that we expect every single player to do that As a parent with kids playing the game I see first hand how the attitudes of parents and coaches play such a big part in sending kids down the wrong roads and how the emphasis on winning supercedes that of development - last season our local club had two guys "coaching" our under 13 team and their idea of coaching these kids was to make them run 14-15 laps of the field (not the pitch mind) and in one week they had two training sessions where they didnt actually kick a ball at all As a person on the club committee, I did have a chat with one of the managers concerned and he told me that because our kids were playing against bigger clubs and bigger players, the only hope we had is if we had our team fitter than the rest and the sad thing is because the team were winning matches the parents accepted it I pointed out to the guy that winning is indeed great, especially for the kids, but their duty was to develop and coach kids for a lifetime playing the game and not just for one season so that in years to come they will be able to step up a level when needed, but of course my words fell on deaf ears.

As a parent I would be horrified if my kids were "coached" like that and would pull them out of our club if need be. As a guy that has coached adults and kids (briefly) I continue to buy coaching dvd's where possible so that I can bring something positive to the table instead of just passion and commitment. As parents we should focus on those same ideals and instill them into our kids cos kids have to enjoy playing and training or they will be lost from the game forever. At under 12 level over here (think it is the same over there) our kids are pushed up to full size pitches and full size goals......at 11 and 12 years of age ?? What.The.Fcuk is that all about ? All that does is encourages kids to hoof the ball down full as hard as they can cos of the length of the pitch and kids playing in defence might not get 10 touches of the ball in a whole game In europe these games are played on mini pitches where kids get a lot more touches of the ball which will in turn make them more comfortable in possession and would allow teams like engerland under 21s to play football properly and not just hoof it forward at the first sign of opposition pressure

Sorry I went off on one there but coaching kids properly is a big issue in my book and until we change the whole mentality of development of players then teams from Ireland and the uk will continue to get spanked any time they meet have decent opposition

I spent 5 yrs coaching under 11's augie and gave up 18 months ago. Grassroots football is totally fucked in England and to be brutally honest, we are now reaping the rewards of the seeds sown many years ago. Only in the last 5 or so years has any emphasis been put on coaching at grassroots level and we do have some very good technical coaches out there. The trouble is success has now become a prerequisite and is seen as the be all and end all. Some parents are of the opinion that their little Tommy won't be spotted by a scout unless they are playing in a successful team.......
All a load of bollocks because their little Tommy will be spotted wherever he plays AS LONG AS HE IS GOOD ENOUGH. So if a team is full of small technically gifted players but the team is unsuccessful on the pitch because they keep coming up against much bigger more physical, what happens? The parents take their child out of the smaller more gifted side and join the more physical team, where little Tommy sits on the bench and eventually becomes disillusioned because he is not playing. All due to him not being big enough or strong enough for his new teams playing style. I have seen this happen over and over again players giving up football because they do not fit the criteria required of a modern day footballer. Until this is addressed things will never change, we will continue to produce strong physical players without an ounce of talent. In the meantime great little players will miss out because coaches and parents are not willing to put the players development above success on the pitch!
I had too many disagreements over this when coaching and trust me when I say things will not change until performances are rewarded instead of results. If things continue as they are all we will produce are teams full of talentless like the Shawcross.