Alternative to the triple punishment rule

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

Penalty, red + suspension for last man.

Here is my idea.

If it is the last man, regardless of where they maybe on the field, its a penalty and a yellow card. That would fix it.

This would be good for the game for a number of reasons.

1st it would stop Solskjaer like fouls, that prevent a player from scoring, by getting sent off half way up the field. It would stop teams from holding on, preferring 10 men to a goal opportunity.

Second it gives sympathy to the keeper. Being sent off + a penalty is far too harsh.

[RVP2]

Absolutely agree, whether it's the Arsenal or not. The punishment just doesn't fit the crime 99 time out of 100.

[rodders999]

The keeper is almost always the last man so for me should only get a yellow. It shouldn't apply to keepers, full stop. I actually have no problem with a defender who scithes down a forward bearing down on goal getting sent off.

[rodders999]

If it was just a yellow card for the defender then any forward bursting in on goal would be taken out of it before they reached the box (like the Demichelis incident the other night) so all you'd get is a free kick and yellow card. Just make it for the keepers would be my call.

[clockender1]

I'd like to see just the penalty and the keeper mandatory subbed.

That keeps it 11 v 11, but does prevent the keeper doing it again without punishing his team mates and the paying fans.

[remigardeshair]

The whole 'last man' thing is largely irrelevant and not actually stated anywhere in the laws of the game, it relates to the denial of a clear goalscoring opportunity.

That in itself leads to confusion as to what that actually is (Arteta v Palace this season a good example and even Bayerns last night could be viewed as contentious) and as such open to interpetation.

That for me is what causes the problem.

It's easily resolved if the foul is in the penalty area, simply award a penalty and yellow card to the player who commited the foul, take the red for the denial of a goal scoring opportunity out of the equation, the penalty is punishment enough.

Of course its a different thing outside the area, if the law is removed completely, we might see more Willie Young type challenges (which is a perverse way would be great) so the defending team gets away with it, and conversely if we awarded penalties for challenges outside the box that are deemed to have been goalscoring opportunities, we'd end up with mayhem, can you imagine Palace getting a penalty for the Arteta challenge earlier this season, madness.

[topgoon]

The keeper is almost always the last man so for me should only get a yellow. It shouldn't apply to keepers, full stop. I actually have no problem with a defender who scithes down a forward bearing down on goal getting sent off.

agree with this. sometimes a collision btw keeper and forward is unlikely and shouldn't automatically lead to the triple whammy but changing the rule for defenders will mean donkeys like shawc**t will get away with scything down forwards as part of a defence plan with no serious punishment.

[northbank123]

Football isn't fair. How often do you see attackers dribble at pace right up to a defender, kick it anywhere past them and intentionally run into them knowing they'll get a yellow? There are plenty of other injustices that are more minor but crop up far more often.

The red card only ruins the game to that extent if it's early on, there's already a mismatch and the team cannot adjust at all.

[Clash]

Football isn't fair. How often do you see attackers dribble at pace right up to a defender, kick it anywhere past them and intentionally run into them knowing they'll get a yellow? There are plenty of other injustices that are more minor but crop up far more often.

The red card only ruins the game to that extent if it's early on, there's already a mismatch and the team cannot adjust at all.

True!

Personally I think a penalty and a red card is too much but what if the keeper deliberately fouls a striker about to go round him and score, concedes a pen, gets a yellow card, then becomes the hero by saving the penalty? People will then be saying that wasn't fair.

[augie]

Football isn't fair. How often do you see attackers dribble at pace right up to a defender, kick it anywhere past them and intentionally run into them knowing they'll get a yellow? There are plenty of other injustices that are more minor but crop up far more often.

The red card only ruins the game to that extent if it's early on, there's already a mismatch and the team cannot adjust at all.

True!

Personally I think a penalty and a red card is too much but what if the keeper deliberately fouls a striker about to go round him and score, concedes a pen, gets a yellow card, then becomes the hero by saving the penalty? People will then be saying that wasn't fair.

This is what it boils down to for me as well - if the keeper doesnt get sent off and then saves the penalty then where is the punishment ? As far as I am concerned the law is bang on but the interpretation might be an issue cos I too am not convinced that robben would have scored last night had chesney not fouled him

[safcftm]

The rules fine as it is, keepers already get enough protection in the game. If they bring down a player and prevent a clear goalscoring opportunity (often a simple tap in) then they deserve to be sent off just like a defender would if he'd done it. Having been sent off the opposition should have a penalty. It doesn't matter if the game is "spoiled", the rule is fair.

[madjens]

Or could go down the rugby route, where denial of a clear goalscoring chance is a penalty goal. No sending off or ban, perhaps yellow if the tackle was reckless. Upgrade cheating ('simulation') to a red, and introduce retrospective banning for cheating. Done.

[DB10GOONER]

Or could go down the rugby route, where denial of a clear goalscoring chance is a penalty goal. No sending off or ban, perhaps yellow if the tackle was reckless. Upgrade cheating ('simulation') to a red, and introduce retrospective banning for cheating. Done.

That's you banned, period breath!

[northbank123]

Or could go down the rugby route, where denial of a clear goalscoring chance is a penalty goal. No sending off or ban, perhaps yellow if the tackle was reckless. Upgrade cheating ('simulation') to a red, and introduce retrospective banning for cheating. Done.

Refs have enough problems having the bravery to make big calls as it is, you simply could not make diving a red card offence because refs would not be prepared to issue it for anything but the most blatant.

[Theoperator]

Perhaps (Quick spray of breath freshner) introduction of a "sin bin" maybe an idea for this sort of foul, I used to enjoy the time when an outfield player played in goal instead of a substitute goalie being bought on.