Positional awareness....or lack of

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Positional awareness....or lack of

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Been away for a while, not sure how cut throat the site is on repeated threads these days, bloody mods :wink:

But if this a repeat LEAVE IT ALONE. :D

I haven't posted in a long time but the first half of the season duh, I was surprised with and happy. But as usual push comes to shove and were in the same predicament again due to the complete lack of seeing what the problem is with our team. WE CANNOT DEFEND & NO PASSION AND FIGHT.

First to the back four, none of them are good enough in my opinion, we need a whole new back four. Then we get to the topic of the thread, which is why the the back four stand out. Take tactics out of it, at so many times this season the back four have been guilty of ball watching, I've lost count of the times metersaker has left a player track behind him run towards the ball miss it and boom goal, and he is one of the players to get high praise this season, koscielny the amount of stupid and rash errors out of panic because of being out of position and not reading the play. Sagna for me is just a joke as a defender, he seems no have no clue as to where to be whether to challenge a player or not, on numerous occasions this season he has literally just stopped all together player goes past and he just watches. He is constantly far too high up the pitch and his attacking play is the only decent attribute, and even that isn't the best. And when it comes to tracking back after losing the ball lazy. Gibbs has been the best of the bunch for me but again always too far up the pitch and caught out so many times because of this. Vermaelan has lost whatever he had for a shirt period and as a player to be club captain bewilders me.

Which brings me to the question of tactics. What the hell is going on on the training ground, why hasn't even Steve bould seen the clear issues? Are the the tactics for the full backs to attack wide and defend narrow? To not man mark, at any stage? For midfielder not to cover when left/right backs push forward? To basically set out a tactic for the defence that those player aren't capable of fulfilling. The Steve bould issue bugs me because he's working with those guys day in day out and it seems to have got worse, the mind boggles that someone like him allows those defensive tactics go on with the defends at our disposal. If it's all from wenger than how can you be a yes man to this?

But....the thing that has really wound me up most is the attitude of the players, and whether this stems from management I'm not sure, but think so......The players are capable....problem is....only when they want to be.

Look at some of our performances over the last few years, we've proved more than capable of beating anyone on the night. The second half of the man city game last week pissed me off more than anything, why? Because where was that fight against chelsea? Against Liverpool? And again on Sunday? The player when focused and ready to fight are capable of beating anyone and they've shown that. But why can't they be bothered in other games? The players need to fight for pride if nothing else, and at really important times it's as if they don't bother.

It's a conundrum because we know the tactics are wrong, but the player can pull them off against the best opposition when motivated, but we crumble under pressure when most important. Do the players need to pull their socks up? Yes, big time. But it's the mangers and coaching staffs job to motivate them to do it, and they're not achieving it.

It worries me that someone like Bouldy can be in his position and the defence hasn't been addressed, and the player attitudes really aren't what they should be.

Where is the management of the TEAM???????

Good to post again, hope all well and the mods got off their high horses with their vanity threads :wink:

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welcome back u cant !

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I think you're being a bit excessive in your personal criticisms - the defenders showed for periods last season and also the first half of this one that they are capable of operating as an organised and working unit so I don't reaLly agree that none of them can be good enough defensively. And certainly not that Gibbs is the best of the bunch.

If a player of Mertesacker's pace had really poor positional awareness it wouldn't just be the big guns hitting us for 5 and 6! Whilst they are all of course liable to mistakes in this area (for example Anfield which despite the tactical mess was a pathetic excuse at defending from the back 4). But tactics are the overwhelming cause of our defensive woes imo.

For a start the wide men expected to cover full-backs are either luxury creative players or strikers. I'm not sure awareness is the best term to use to cover our full-backs' recent and historical positional play - more an utter dereliction of defensive duties which is clearly unpunished and moreover encouraged by the manager (even though they're all shit going forward). There was a time at 2-1 with 5 mins left against Swansea where both full-backs were in the attacking third - complete madness.

Our midfield defensive shape has gone to pieces too. Operating with Arteta and Flamini almost invariably leads to a lack of creativity and sees Flamini haring about in the opposition half like a ferret on speed. And when it comes to the crunch Arteta has just been well off the pace, whatever the reason. The early goals against Chelsea - losing possession in the opposition half shouldn't spell immediate danger but every other midfielder had already hared past the ball even thoiugh there was no obvious opportunity. The second goals against Bayern and Swansea were a result of basic lack of tracking from midfielders.

Gibbs used to have awful positional sense and would just get far too tight to his CB out of fear of getting dissected with a killer pass, thereby giving the winger miles too much time. To be fair I think he's improved a bit, although Monreal is a dreadful footballer in every aspect and I'll go fuirther and call him a coward on the pitch.

Bottom line is for me I don't think it's the defenders that aren't good enough. Sure they all make errors, they're not world class and none of them have covered themselves in glory in past weeks. But would the situation be fundamentally changed by different personnel whilst employing the same tactics? Not for me.

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saw this thread title and immediately thought "Gibbs".

his positional sense may have improved slightly but a solid shit sandwich isnt much better than a runny shit sandwich. :?

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Vanity thread alert! Awoooooooooooooggggaaaahhh!!! :moderator:



Welcome back, Bren. :wink:

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Lack of power and pace is a main concern of mine.

We need Walcott, Ramsey,Oxlade-Chamberlain and Gnabry to add urgency.
Hope we bring back Joel Campbell and Chuks Aneke from loan, they can do this.
Plus sign someone like Remy.

Our defence seems only to work is it is Gibbs - Koscielny - Mertesacker - Sagna.
Lose just one of them and it folds.

Central midfield needs a tough ball-winner, a physically imposing player.
I think Arteta has had his time with us.

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Arsenal player breaks past the half way line, Arsenal player gets surrounded and outnumbered, Arsenal player gets dispossessed, opposition counter attack into acres of space, mass calamity and hilarity ensues, Arsenal concede. Repeat.

I have managed zero games :barscarf:

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skizz_b wrote:saw this thread title and immediately thought "Gibbs".

his positional sense may have improved slightly but a solid shit sandwich isnt much better than a runny shit sandwich. :?


Not being funny bren but of all the first choice defenders we have, the one you half defended is in reality probably the worst of the whole lot of them

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I don't think it would matter if our back line consisted of God, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad with Lucifer in goal if we play as we do now.

Attacking fullbacks that can't attack particularly well and who become isolated and doubled-up on frequently plus a high defensive line is a rercipe for disaster when our midfield don't cover.

It stems from the manager's choices.

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rodders999 wrote:Arsenal player breaks past the half way line, Arsenal player gets surrounded and outnumbered, Arsenal player gets dispossessed, opposition counter attack into acres of space, mass calamity and hilarity ensues, Arsenal concede. Repeat.

I have managed zero games :barscarf:
You could though... you seem to know the way of it. :rubchin:

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skizz_b wrote:saw this thread title and immediately thought "Gibbs".

his positional sense may have improved slightly but a solid shit sandwich isnt much better than a runny shit sandwich. :?
I've always thought Gibbs should be scoring more goals,He runs at defenders then seems to think "fuck,i gotta pass it now",and its always the wrong choice,I never understood why he doesn't just smash it at goal and see what happens,Giroud might benefit from the rebounds too....what do I know,I aint worked a second in football... :rubchin:

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robbo10 wrote:
skizz_b wrote:saw this thread title and immediately thought "Gibbs".

his positional sense may have improved slightly but a solid shit sandwich isnt much better than a runny shit sandwich. :?
I've always thought Gibbs should be scoring more goals,He runs at defenders then seems to think "fuck,i gotta pass it now",and its always the wrong choice,I never understood why he doesn't just smash it at goal and see what happens,Giroud might benefit from the rebounds too....what do I know,I aint worked a second in football... :rubchin:
Teams' tactics are often to defend very tight and very narrow because we do so little out wide. Gibbs is very quick off the mark - if he knocks the ball past a full-back he's got no chance of being caught from a standing start. Look how easy the first goal against Swansea was, he just knocked it past him and he was in. It's a travesty how shit he is going forward.

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northbank123 wrote:
robbo10 wrote:
skizz_b wrote:saw this thread title and immediately thought "Gibbs".

his positional sense may have improved slightly but a solid shit sandwich isnt much better than a runny shit sandwich. :?
I've always thought Gibbs should be scoring more goals,He runs at defenders then seems to think "fuck,i gotta pass it now",and its always the wrong choice,I never understood why he doesn't just smash it at goal and see what happens,Giroud might benefit from the rebounds too....what do I know,I aint worked a second in football... :rubchin:
Teams' tactics are often to defend very tight and very narrow because we do so little out wide. Gibbs is very quick off the mark - if he knocks the ball past a full-back he's got no chance of being caught from a standing start. Look how easy the first goal against Swansea was, he just knocked it past him and he was in. It's a travesty how shit he is going forward.
There just seems to be total panic when he's past the full-back and looking up for an option or when he's heading towards goal 10 yards out,he needs to be more decisive,so many attacks break down with both full-backs poor decision making or crossing.

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For some reason I read this as political awareness at first and imagined some new club initiative in North Korea or something. Been a long day

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Leyton Gooner wrote:For some reason I read this as political awareness at first and imagined some new club initiative in North Korea or something. Been a long day
:lol:

Probably why you mis-spell "Layton"... :rubchin:

Ain't that right, Lefty... :-P :wink: :wink:

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