CL Seeding

[Skooner]

Well this will make things a lot harder for us in the future!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... ing-system

[mcdowell42]

About time too,could be just the kick in the arse needed to make some credible attempt at winning the PL,my own view and it will never happen is that it goes back to the days where only champions got into it.


At the very least only the top 2 teams in the league go into it,I'm sick of the 4th place bollocks.





Ps Wenger still hasn't resigned so I'll just say Wenger Out and see what happens.

[Bradywasking]

Bad news for those who believe fourth place is an acceptable target and achievement. Think it will be good for the competition, but I think a bigger improvement would be to streamline the tournament to the top two with provision for a Champions League winner that does not finish in the top two. The idea of ambling through a season knowing that you are good enough to finish fourth is blunting ambition, certainly at our club.

[mcdowell42]

Bad news for those who believe fourth place is an acceptable target and achievement. Think it will be good for the competition, but I think a bigger improvement would be to streamline the tournament to the top two with provision for a Champions League winner that does not finish in the top two. The idea of ambling through a season knowing that you are good enough to finish fourth is blunting ambition, certainly at our club.

Great Irish minds.

[clockender1]

Well this will make things a lot harder for us in the future!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... ing-system

if united hadn't of failed to qualify, we were going in to pot 2 this year.

i don't see how it makes a difference - if we go in pot 1, a good club will be pot 2 - like City, Juve etc. that we could of got.

it shouldn't be seeded anyway - it should be random, like cup competitions are supposed to be. but of course its not run for sporting reasons anymore, but for guaranteed TV Revenue.

imho thats the whole excitement of a cup - the possibility you'll get an easy draw or catch a tough opponent on an off day and scrape through, while one or two of the big boys knock each other out.

seeded groups prevent that from happening mostly. and it stops potentially very exciting 'groups of death' with say, Juve, PSG, Real and City all in the same group having to go balls out to win every single game.

[augie]

About time too,could be just the kick in the arse needed to make some credible attempt at winning the PL,my own view and it will never happen is that it goes back to the days where only champions got into it.


At the very least only the top 2 teams in the league go into it,I'm sick of the 4th place bollocks.





Ps Wenger still hasn't resigned so I'll just say Wenger Out and see what happens.

Couldnt agree more - I hate blatter as much as anyone but platini isnt a great alternative either when you consider how he has bowed to the big european clubs at every turn We all know that the cl is all about £££ nowadays but nobody talks about the negative impact that it has on domestic league competitiveness - qualifying for the champs lge 17 or so years on the trot ( ) has given us a budget of at least 20m more than our domestic competitors every single season. How are the likes of the scum or everton etc supposed to compete with clubs that already have an extra 20m at their disposal ? Allowing us to spend £100m than these clubs is fcuking massive so how are any of these clubs supposed to then break into the top 4 ? The cl basically maintains a status quo so that the top teams nearly always qualify and that in turn keeps them happy when they are talking with platini

[falkirk goon]

They should go a step further and stick all the league route play off winners in pot 4

[GranadaJoe]

Only the champions to play and they might have an interesting competition on their hands.

[VAVAVOOM 14]

About time too,could be just the kick in the arse needed to make some credible attempt at winning the PL,my own view and it will never happen is that it goes back to the days where only champions got into it.


At the very least only the top 2 teams in the league go into it,I'm sick of the 4th place bollocks.

I'm all for something like this, reduce the numbers so only the champions/truly elite clubs compete - no more Siberia Grasshopper Lokomotiv FC and other such clubs.

I'd rather have groups consisting of Real Madrid, Munich, Chelsea, PSG, Barca, etc. from the off; be more entertaining anyway to see the cream of the crop frequently play each other - isn't that the whole point of the competition?

[Kallstrom29]

About time too,could be just the kick in the arse needed to make some credible attempt at winning the PL,my own view and it will never happen is that it goes back to the days where only champions got into it.


At the very least only the top 2 teams in the league go into it,I'm sick of the 4th place bollocks.

I'm all for something like this, reduce the numbers so only the champions/truly elite clubs compete - no more Siberia Grasshopper Lokomotiv FC and other such clubs.

I'd rather have groups consisting of Real Madrid, Munich, Chelsea, PSG, Barca, etc. from the off; be more entertaining anyway to see the cream of the crop frequently play each other - isn't that the whole point of the competition?

I think something like this has already been proposed and ridiculed.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European ... _football)

[northbank123]

Fair enough really. As much as I'd love to scrap seeding completely to stop clubs like us from hitching onto the gravy train straight into the last 16 every year, it would be even worse to end up with 3 or 4 heavy-weights in one group and two or three groups filled with complete dross.

[VAVAVOOM 14]

I think something like this has already been proposed and ridiculed.

Don't know why. Imagine this as the group stages:

Barcelona
Liverpool
Monaco
Juventus

Bayern Munich
Ath. Madrid
Man United (when they're actually good)
PSG

Real Madrid
Chelsea
Porto
Roma

Arsenal
Man City
Dortmund
Inter

Or something along those lines, that'd sure as sh*t prove a more entertaining affair than the current CL set up - it would also be a more accurate assessment of who really is the best team in Europe as the top teams would play each other incessantly.

[augie]

About time too,could be just the kick in the arse needed to make some credible attempt at winning the PL,my own view and it will never happen is that it goes back to the days where only champions got into it.


At the very least only the top 2 teams in the league go into it,I'm sick of the 4th place bollocks.

I'm all for something like this, reduce the numbers so only the champions/truly elite clubs compete - no more Siberia Grasshopper Lokomotiv FC and other such clubs.

I'd rather have groups consisting of Real Madrid, Munich, Chelsea, PSG, Barca, etc. from the off; be more entertaining anyway to see the cream of the crop frequently play each other - isn't that the whole point of the competition?

Not sure about this but are you being sarcastic ? McD is suggesting that only the top 2 qualify which rids the comp of all these elite clubs you want keeping in, so how are you agreeing with him ? Personally I believe that the likes of malmo are more entitled to be in the competition than the likes of us and barca, neither of whom could finish in the top 2 of their domestic league last season How uefa have the cheek to call it the champs league and still allow 4th place teams in it, is beyond me

Can anybody tell me how far away it is before the prem league loses one of it's places in the champs league ? If I'm not mistaken, la liga or one of the other big leagues, lost one of it's places in the past couple of years on the back of the lack of success of their teams in the champs league - I know that the chavs and citeeh have the squads to go close but if Bayern and the Spanish clubs continue to dominate then it cant be long before 4th is no longer good enough

[VAVAVOOM 14]

About time too,could be just the kick in the arse needed to make some credible attempt at winning the PL,my own view and it will never happen is that it goes back to the days where only champions got into it.


At the very least only the top 2 teams in the league go into it,I'm sick of the 4th place bollocks.

I'm all for something like this, reduce the numbers so only the champions/truly elite clubs compete - no more Siberia Grasshopper Lokomotiv FC and other such clubs.

I'd rather have groups consisting of Real Madrid, Munich, Chelsea, PSG, Barca, etc. from the off; be more entertaining anyway to see the cream of the crop frequently play each other - isn't that the whole point of the competition?

Not sure about this but are you being sarcastic ? McD is suggesting that only the top 2 qualify which rids the comp of all these elite clubs you want keeping in, so how are you agreeing with him ?

See my above post for the calibre of teams who should play in my hypothetical CL.

P.S.

I didn't agree with Mcd in saying that only the top 2 teams should qualify, I just think the numbers should be reduced in general in order to weed out the dross.

[Theoperator]

VVV- That would IMHO be boring as f**k, we wouldnt get out of the league.... ever...

TBH why should we feature in the teams really as you list them anyway?

Champions & runners up for Germany Italy Spain England and perhaps France Portugal and Holland just Champions of the other countries leagues with a slot for last years winner or the Europa cup winners if the winner is already in would be fine.

I really liked the old European cup TBH, apart from the lack of money created by it I cant see what the problem with it was .