FFP to be abolished !

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FFP to be abolished !

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32784375

Michel Platini has announced that FFP is to be phased out after PSG complained it wasn't fair !
We always knew it wouldn't be enforceable but this confirms its dead.
Wonder what the Arsenal board will make of this surprising outcome !

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Funny how his announcement came on French radio and he hasn't been as outspoken about PSG being cheats unlike nasty English clubs like United and Chelsea when the PL dominated Europe.

Don't hate anybody in football more than this prick.

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northbank123 wrote:Funny how his announcement came on French radio and he hasn't been as outspoken about PSG being cheats unlike nasty English clubs like United and Chelsea when the PL dominated Europe.

Don't hate anybody in football more than this prick.
Big call:

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I ALWAYS maintained that this system wouldnt work and that it couldnt be enforced and it is nice to see that I am proven right (again :wink: ) albeit that I didnt think that it would be written off as quick as this. Who the fcuk are fifa/uefa to tell the arabs or abramovich how to spend their money ? If they want to spend their money on buying the latest superstar footballer, then that is their business and their business alone as long as they are coughing up the money for the deal out of their own pocket and not heaping debt onto their clubs. I understand the implications of an owner walking away and leaving a massive player wage bill behind and I realise that this will cause a fire sale of biblical proportions, but in the meantime the increased income into their clubs (through merchandising and new support) would be massive and will help facing up to that problem.

Of course as football fans we all look to see how any rule changes will affect our own club first and foremost - personally I feel that if ffp is thrown out it will make it much harder for the likes of the slimy yank to coin personal profits in at our expense. He will no longer be able to hide behind ffp when it comes to a lack of spending and it would open the door for other clubs to entice sugar daddy's in to increase competition which in turn will increase the pressure to spend. Of course the question is whether sugar daddy's will still be willing to invest in clubs if they cant take profits out as easily, but I still believe that many would still buy clubs for the prestige and will then push to make their new toys to be as successful as possible - I still 100% agree with the fit and proper tests required for any new investors willing to buy clubs, but that is as far as I would be willing to go tbh.

Again this is only a personal thing, but I would love to see a club like everton get a sugar daddy owner - they are a big club in a football mad city, that just need that decent investment to make them real challengers. Football in england is dying a bit every season with the lack of real competition and new challengers to the table, and if clubs like everton, sunderland and (god forbid) villa got wealthy owners willing to invest substantial money, then the league would become all the better for it imo

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Was never going to work as the clubs it was designed to control are too powerful to be controlled. Ah well if 4th place is good enough for Stan its good enough for us :banghead:

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The only consolation in this could be that the club have to allow Ushmanov through the door.

They're quite clearly going to have a choice to make to either, spend big money that we don't actually have and compete or continue as we are and accept that we'll only have a chance when it comes to the two domestic cups.
If FFP (which has had some effect if not great) goes out the window totally then you're going to see another influx of big buyers coming in and using the Premier league as their own playground. The competition will become about the owners trying to outdo each other. Anyone who then doesn't get on board will be left behind.

Whilst I never thought FFP was workable I liked the principal belief behind it. Arsenal, and AW in particular, hung their hat on this succeeding. It was a major factor in their business plan of continuing to compete at the top end of the table whilst maintaining a sound financial footing. This decision will totally destroy that plan.

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UEFA finally seeing what FFP really is, which is a way to entrench the power of the mega spending clubs. There's no point having it when they so easily circumvent it. Quite why Wenger et al took it so seriously I'll never know.
What's up next - a revoking of the transfer bans by FIFA on Barcelona, (possibly) Real Madrid?

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SPUDMASHER wrote:The only consolation in this could be that the club have to allow Ushmanov through the door.

can i hear the sound of a banner being dusted off :D

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gazzatt2 wrote:
SPUDMASHER wrote:The only consolation in this could be that the club have to allow Ushmanov through the door.

can i hear the sound of a banner being dusted off :D


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Sam59 wrote:UEFA finally seeing what FFP really is, which is a way to entrench the power of the mega spending clubs. There's no point having it when they so easily circumvent it. Quite why Wenger et al took it so seriously I'll never know.
What's up next - a revoking of the transfer bans by FIFA on Barcelona, (possibly) Real Madrid?
erm that what it was designed for, keep these upstart clubs from challenging Barca, Utd, Liverpool, Milan. Now in turns out Liverpool and Milan need outside investment and can benefit from relaxing FFP.

It did eventually slow down Chelsea and subsequently City, but in the end people love money and if rich owners want to blow their money in football they want a piece of it.

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Simply money talks.

We've got 3 billionaire shareholders, please can we now cheat our way to the top like chelski, city, PSG, Barcelona and Madrid?

Anyone says its not the Arsenal way clearly don't know the dealings of Sir Henry Norris and the financial support he gave the great Herbert Chapman.

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augie wrote:I would love to see a club like everton get a sugar daddy owner - they are a big club in a football mad city, that just need that decent investment to make them real challengers. Football in england is dying a bit every season with the lack of real competition and new challengers to the table, and if clubs like everton, sunderland and (god forbid) villa got wealthy owners willing to invest substantial money, then the league would become all the better for it imo
I agree, in principle, but as soon as the 'sugar daddy' takes over, it feels as though the club loses a massive part of its identity.

It would be fun to see new clubs pushing for the title in their current business model (much like when Southampton were still up there at Christmas), but when you know a billionaire is taking over and that they are just going to throw money at the title, it takes all the fun out of it - because it's an inevitably, and the culture of the club changes.

To me, Man City feels sterile and completely soulless since their takeover. Formerly in United's shadow, they felt like the plucky underdog, and I often found myself empathising with their fans. But since the Sheikh took over, it just feels like a brand new club (much like New York City FC, which they've also just invented). The players aren't there because it's Man City, they're there because it's a good payday and they might challenge for the title. All fine and dandy as a business model, but it's clearly not the same Man City that it used to be. The club essentially reinvented itself and started over again in 2008, and it just so happens to have the same name as the club that used to play at Maine Road.

So yes, by all means let's have Everton and Sunderland (or anyone else) challenging for the title to freshen things up, but if it's just going to be 20 clubs throwing money all over the place and forfeiting their identity, then I'd rather just keep things as they are.

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VoiceOfReason wrote:
augie wrote:I would love to see a club like everton get a sugar daddy owner - they are a big club in a football mad city, that just need that decent investment to make them real challengers. Football in england is dying a bit every season with the lack of real competition and new challengers to the table, and if clubs like everton, sunderland and (god forbid) villa got wealthy owners willing to invest substantial money, then the league would become all the better for it imo
I agree, in principle, but as soon as the 'sugar daddy' takes over, it feels as though the club loses a massive part of its identity.

It would be fun to see new clubs pushing for the title in their current business model (much like when Southampton were still up there at Christmas), but when you know a billionaire is taking over and that they are just going to throw money at the title, it takes all the fun out of it - because it's an inevitably, and the culture of the club changes.

To me, Man City feels sterile and completely soulless since their takeover. Formerly in United's shadow, they felt like the plucky underdog, and I often found myself empathising with their fans. But since the Sheikh took over, it just feels like a brand new club (much like New York City FC, which they've also just invented). The players aren't there because it's Man City, they're there because it's a good payday and they might challenge for the title. All fine and dandy as a business model, but it's clearly not the same Man City that it used to be. The club essentially reinvented itself and started over again in 2008, and it just so happens to have the same name as the club that used to play at Maine Road.

So yes, by all means let's have Everton and Sunderland (or anyone else) challenging for the title to freshen things up, but if it's just going to be 20 clubs throwing money all over the place and forfeiting their identity, then I'd rather just keep things as they are.


The problem with "keeping things as they are" is that it is a system that isn't working because the chavs and citeeh are blowing everyone else out of the water with their financial muscle - if you rid ALL clubs of sugar daddy's then I would totally support your idea because it might bring the game back to the people, but if we are to have two mega wealthy clubs then I think that we should have all 20 that way

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SPUDMASHER wrote:The only consolation in this could be that the club have to allow Ushmanov through the door.

They're quite clearly going to have a choice to make to either, spend big money that we don't actually have and compete or continue as we are and accept that we'll only have a chance when it comes to the two domestic cups.
If FFP (which has had some effect if not great) goes out the window totally then you're going to see another influx of big buyers coming in and using the Premier league as their own playground. The competition will become about the owners trying to outdo each other. Anyone who then doesn't get on board will be left behind.

Whilst I never thought FFP was workable I liked the principal belief behind it. Arsenal, and AW in particular, hung their hat on this succeeding. It was a major factor in their business plan of continuing to compete at the top end of the table whilst maintaining a sound financial footing. This decision will totally destroy that plan.
I wouldn't bank on it, if anything, all the club can do now is hide behind it and continue to aim for top 4 as a rule and use the financial doping as the excuse again.

It's happened at a great time for Ivan and Wenger, the FFP dream became a reality and in the next 2 or 3 years they would have had to go for it as the club is in a great financial and we would expect muscles to be flexed, now they can slip back into the old routine and hide behind the money clubs.

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Agree with the above comments about FFP being there to protect the big boys.

The fact Chelsea are now such strong advocates of it sums it up - closing the door behind themselves.

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