NEW PATTERN SHOULD WIN US THE LEAGUE

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Nikkogunners
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NEW PATTERN SHOULD WIN US THE LEAGUE

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This was a season that we started badly with a loss to Westham United, but soon we pulled back and looked like the season that we would be coming through finally and first placing looked the easiest to take over. Indeed, Liverpool have stayed away from the top, Chelsea the champions have ran away from the trophy, Man City are so moody that they loose and win with a same frequency and are not sure that they can even make top four. Manchester United looked to be headed to breaking their worst placing since the Premier League began…until of cause they met up with an Arsenal that seemed not interested in winning. The last four games Arsenal have conceded 7 goals and scored only four. And it does not matter the opposition we are facing since we have faced two teams that were matches that when we are in the mood we normally would put away with relative ease and impunity. Hull City almost managed sneaking a win from us.

The problem is we have not been scoring enough and then now we are also conceding. We have actually become the new Chelsea after Chelsea stabilized. Makes me wonder, are the players revolting? I know they aren’t. I hope there isn’t such as thing.

If that’s not the case, then perhaps the next answer is Arsene reshuffles the team. I have had a feeling for quite some time that the only way to make a strong Arsenal is to play into the strengths of the team. This in my view is rapid transition from defense to attack with pin point accurate passes leaving the opponent almost frozen.

For me the capabilities of Bellerin and Monreal have been over regulated and now need to be released. To release them, we need to play three centre backs. It’s a risk I must acknowledge to play three out of the four centre backs we have in the squad in the same game. But we have had cases where we had to deploy non centre back personnel as centre backs for emergency situations. That means a player like Flamini can be an emergency back up in this position. Once the three centre backs are in place, that for me would be Konsienly, Mertersacker and Gabriel or for strategic purposes – Chambers so that we keep a strong Centre back in the bench just in case injury of suspension happens, it would be possible to release the full backs as wingbacks, to dominate the wings.

Then we have 4 midfielders. Coquelin or Elneny will be playing in defensive midfield position. Three players – that’s, Sanchez, Ozil and for me Campbell playing in the attack areas in the midfield.

The big one is Centre Forward. I wish we could recall Sanogo and have Giroud shipped to Charlton to replace him. Anyway, from the form of the players upfront, any player plying the wings including Sanchez can be considered for the centre forward (Arsene Wenger prefers versatile players thank goodness) therefore let Wenger chose who plays Centre Forward and who goes to the wings. At the moment Welbeck seems the best bet to play Centre Forward as he is hitting them without missing that many.

The pattern is 5.4.1
---------------------Cech
-----Konsienly, Martesacker, Gabriel----
Bellerin------------------------------Monreal
--------------------Coquelin-------------------
---Campbell--------Ozil---------Sanchez---
-------------------Welbeck---------------------


That’s a team that can reverse the Barcelona match up and finally secure the elusive premier League. This is because the defense will acquire more solidity and the team will build up a sense of speedy transitions to turn defensive work into attacks with the mobile wingbacks carrying the ball forward and a midfield capable of freely exploring the various options available forward. With a centre forward capable of actually scoring for the remainder of the season, we should be able to revive our assault on trophies available before its too late. The other point to be happy about is the bench power that this pattern allows us to muster. Walcott, Giroud, Elneny, Flamini, Ramsey, Chambers or Mertesacker, Iwobi…these are players that can change a game in a flash.

But then again the decision remains with Arsene Wenger and Arsene Wenger is Arsene Wenger…

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Long Post. Too pissed off with wenger. Might read it later 8)

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Nikkogunners wrote:This was a season that we started badly with a loss to Westham United, but soon we pulled back and looked like the season that we would be coming through finally and first placing looked the easiest to take over. Indeed, Liverpool have stayed away from the top, Chelsea the champions have ran away from the trophy, Man City are so moody that they loose and win with a same frequency and are not sure that they can even make top four. Manchester United looked to be headed to breaking their worst placing since the Premier League began…until of cause they met up with an Arsenal that seemed not interested in winning. The last four games Arsenal have conceded 7 goals and scored only four. And it does not matter the opposition we are facing since we have faced two teams that were matches that when we are in the mood we normally would put away with relative ease and impunity. Hull City almost managed sneaking a win from us.

The problem is we have not been scoring enough and then now we are also conceding. We have actually become the new Chelsea after Chelsea stabilized. Makes me wonder, are the players revolting? I know they aren’t. I hope there isn’t such as thing.

If that’s not the case, then perhaps the next answer is Arsene reshuffles the team. I have had a feeling for quite some time that the only way to make a strong Arsenal is to play into the strengths of the team. This in my view is rapid transition from defense to attack with pin point accurate passes leaving the opponent almost frozen.

For me the capabilities of Bellerin and Monreal have been over regulated and now need to be released. To release them, we need to play three centre backs. It’s a risk I must acknowledge to play three out of the four centre backs we have in the squad in the same game. But we have had cases where we had to deploy non centre back personnel as centre backs for emergency situations. That means a player like Flamini can be an emergency back up in this position. Once the three centre backs are in place, that for me would be Konsienly, Mertersacker and Gabriel or for strategic purposes – Chambers so that we keep a strong Centre back in the bench just in case injury of suspension happens, it would be possible to release the full backs as wingbacks, to dominate the wings.

Then we have 4 midfielders. Coquelin or Elneny will be playing in defensive midfield position. Three players – that’s, Sanchez, Ozil and for me Campbell playing in the attack areas in the midfield.

The big one is Centre Forward. I wish we could recall Sanogo and have Giroud shipped to Charlton to replace him. Anyway, from the form of the players upfront, any player plying the wings including Sanchez can be considered for the centre forward (Arsene Wenger prefers versatile players thank goodness) therefore let Wenger chose who plays Centre Forward and who goes to the wings. At the moment Welbeck seems the best bet to play Centre Forward as he is hitting them without missing that many.

The pattern is 5.4.1
---------------------Cech
-----Konsienly, Martesacker, Gabriel----
Bellerin------------------------------Monreal
--------------------Coquelin-------------------
---Campbell--------Ozil---------Sanchez---
-------------------Welbeck---------------------


That’s a team that can reverse the Barcelona match up and finally secure the elusive premier League. This is because the defense will acquire more solidity and the team will build up a sense of speedy transitions to turn defensive work into attacks with the mobile wingbacks carrying the ball forward and a midfield capable of freely exploring the various options available forward. With a centre forward capable of actually scoring for the remainder of the season, we should be able to revive our assault on trophies available before its too late. The other point to be happy about is the bench power that this pattern allows us to muster. Walcott, Giroud, Elneny, Flamini, Ramsey, Chambers or Mertesacker, Iwobi…these are players that can change a game in a flash.

But then again the decision remains with Arsene Wenger and Arsene Wenger is Arsene Wenger…
Get your tin hat on mate. :D :wink: Welcome on board.

But SaNoGoals??? Seriously??? :shock:

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Say NO to drugs 8)

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Its not the system its the players and the manager.

We could play 5-4-1, 4-4-2, 2-2-3-2, 3-5-2, 3-2-2-3, 5-3-2, 6-2-2 or 1-2-3-4 it doesn't matter. If the players have not got the bollocks for a title fight, and the manager has run out of motivation a new pattern wont change a thing.

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Hitler used to push nonexistent divisions round the map. These players actually exist but the theoretical models have more substance and commitment.

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Nikkogunners wrote: The pattern is 5.4.1
---------------------Cech
-----Konsienly, Martesacker, Gabriel----
Bellerin------------------------------Monreal
--------------------Coquelin-------------------
---Campbell--------Ozil---------Sanchez---
-------------------Welbeck---------------------


That’s a team that can reverse the Barcelona match up and finally secure the elusive premier League.
....
The other point to be happy about is the bench power that this pattern allows us to muster. Walcott, Giroud, Elneny, Flamini, Ramsey, Chambers or Mertesacker, Iwobi…these are players that can change a game in a flash.
This is not Football Manager, that needs to be repeated to these deluded supporters! The patterns of the cheetah won't make us break any speed records. Have you been playing this season on FIFA or smth rather than watching the spineless rubber duck feeted football players that inhabit our team?? and that bench is supposed to what, turn games around, I don't know if you've noticed the walnut coming on again and again, I won't blame you if you havent cause the bloke is more visible to the camera when he is on the bench. Our manager has simply not been able to evoke any order in the kindergarten

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Christ has this dude just fallen out of a tree?? :oops:

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With TOF at the club, we'll never win the league. Having sideways football with suicidal defending and rare shots doesn't help at all when you're supposed to be challenging for the title.

On paper the 4-2-3-1 could work fine, seeing as you can go to a 4-5-1 without the ball and 4-2-4 when attacking.

Unfortunately, TOF seems to favour 2-8-0, with no discipline at the back and no fluidity or drive at the front :suicide:

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I get the point Nikkogunners is making (Welcome btw), i'd be happy to see us try something different, i'm not sure that what you've put above would work, i'm not convinced Bellerin has the footballing intelligence to play a proper wingback role - his crossing for the first half against Swansea was woeful, about 6 or 7 attempts and only 1 got anywhere near another Arsenal player.

As stated many times elsewhere the problem is always going to be the manager, i can't remember when i last saw a formation change at the start of a match or during now i think about it.

This has been gone over so many times but i'll post it plainly here:

As far as Arsene is concerned he is always right, if things go wrong it is not his fault but everything else, the pitch, the ref, the other officals, the players, the weather, the fans, the day the match is played on, the time the match is played, the interval between matches whatever he can do to deflect blame from himself. His ego will never allow him to perceive that he might actually be wrong and therefore as someone said in another thread recently if he changes something he is tacitly admitting he was wrong in the first place which his ego will not allow. :tickedoff:

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rodders999 wrote:Say NO to drugs 8)

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The only way Flamini is changing the game in a flash is by getting a straight red for an inexplicable 2-footed challenge.

Although maybe he should start on Saturday given his double there :barscarf:

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:lol: Well it was good for a laugh mate but SERIOUSLY this is a team with no bite, its the same every year, just dont do it to yourself or us- it will never ever ever happen. Wengers an old busted flush, too set in his ways these days to do what is needed. Any manager with tactics and half decent players has sussed him out.
Next year we have absolutely no chance at all, This and 2 seasons ago were our opportunities with manager changes etc. We finished 4th in that 2 horse race. Looks like we could even finish 5th in this years one horse race.

Hes done finished its over- time he went nothing else will change till he does.

Just come from the dark side mate, or go down The Lane :wink: : , or try a spell in rehab, you know it makes sense.

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Mohd. Elneny is not a DM.

And for whatever role he is being groomed for he is definitely not physically ready for the intensity of the league.

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Blade wrote:Mohd. Elneny is not a DM.

And for whatever role he is being groomed for he is definitely not physically ready for the intensity of the league.
Yeah noted on first showing...

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