Carabao Cup Final v pimped small club | 16:30 | Sunday 25/02

[NickF]

Nothing will change until fans stay away in their thousands week after week. And they won't. So nothing will change until fucking Wenger decides to go.

Exactly

I no longer attend and I don’t miss it at all to be honest.

I said FIVE years ago on here that if everyone just gave up their season tickets he would be gone.

But oh no on we go.....

Alternatively, if all those that stopped going turned up and protested in the ground week in week out things would have changed...but oh no on we go.
No one knows...dont act like a martyr because you no longer go. It acheived fuck all so don't slag off those still turn up.

But it also very clear that those who are still going aren't protesting in the ground "week in week out". Equally as guilty in my book.

Not a question of guilt mate. Just get fed up with people acting like they are doing a noble thing by not going and slagging off people that still go. Totally respect peoples decisions, but has it helped at all?
When other clubs have issues with boards or managers they make it known. We just gave up. It's sad, but not the fault of season ticket holders.

But the season ticket holders don't help matters when they just sit there quietly accepting this sh* t and then turn up the next week for exactly the same deal, never doing anything about it. As you said "all those that stopped going turned up and protested in the ground week in week out things would have changed ". You can't really complain about those not going if those that still are, aren't prepared to do anything.

[northbank123]

Commiserations to those that went.
Pathetic limp wristed crap,that is the norm for us now.
It's barely moved me ,bit like the players .
Funny thing is we can still win the europa but not playing like this.
The slide is picking up speed .

Basically sums it up.

[rodders999]

Wenger saying their second goal was offside and that we were unlucky

[robbo10]

Commiserations to those that went.
Pathetic limp wristed crap,that is the norm for us now.
It's barely moved me ,bit like the players .
Funny thing is we can still win the europa but not playing like this.
The slide is picking up speed .

Basically sums it up.

6th game we've lost this year isnt it,relegation form........

[shu]

Nothing will change until fans stay away in their thousands week after week. And they won't. So nothing will change until fucking Wenger decides to go.

I was sat at half time talking to a Wenger lover. I had to be very restrained but after a very long conversation asked him to justify spending £35m on xhaka as a starting point, cue silence, He was going on about Wenger not having the money to compete with city, It beggars belief.

Yet you were happy enough to attend today....
Have a think about it.

I’m a gooner through thick and thin. Think about it..........

Actually nut crush we all know you are a spineless prawn sandwich eating *word censored* .

[sk-gtfo]

But the season ticket holders don't help matters when they just sit there quietly accepting this sh* t and then turn up the next week for exactly the same deal, never doing anything about it. As you said "all those that stopped going turned up and protested in the ground week in week out things would have changed ". You can't really complain about those not going if those that still are, aren't prepared to do anything.

Half of them don't even turn up, they just keep their season ticket and leave their seat empty for all but the "glamour" games and Tx to tourists or whoever if they can be arsed, I think most of these are the new age hipster fans that joined off the back of the success we had at the back end of the Highbury years.

They are certainly part of the problem because they are filling the seats (financially) but will not be there to protest even if they were inclined to which I very much doubt, too busy on their f*cking iPhone's when they are there.

[NickF]

But the season ticket holders don't help matters when they just sit there quietly accepting this sh* t and then turn up the next week for exactly the same deal, never doing anything about it. As you said "all those that stopped going turned up and protested in the ground week in week out things would have changed ". You can't really complain about those not going if those that still are, aren't prepared to do anything.

Half of them don't even turn up, they just keep their season ticket and leave their seat empty for all but the "glamour" games and Tx to tourists or whoever if they can be arsed, I think most of these are the new age hipster fans that joined off the back of the success we had at the back end of the Highbury years.

They are certainly part of the problem because they are filling the seats (financially) but will not be there to protest even if they were inclined to which I very much doubt, too busy on their f*cking iPhone's when they are there.

And what about the ones that do go week in week out and have been for years and have done nothing but just accept it? Easier to blame "hipsters and tourists" rather than look at the actual problem.

[Nos89]

Commiserations to those that went.
Pathetic limp wristed crap,that is the norm for us now.
It's barely moved me ,bit like the players .
Funny thing is we can still win the europa but not playing like this.
The slide is picking up speed .

Basically sums it up.

6th game we've lost this year isnt it,relegation form........

3 in cup competition games but I see what you mean.

[silus]

Exactly

I no longer attend and I don’t miss it at all to be honest.

I said FIVE years ago on here that if everyone just gave up their season tickets he would be gone.

But oh no on we go.....

Alternatively, if all those that stopped going turned up and protested in the ground week in week out things would have changed...but oh no on we go.
No one knows...dont act like a martyr because you no longer go. It acheived fuck all so don't slag off those still turn up.

But it also very clear that those who are still going aren't protesting in the ground "week in week out". Equally as guilty in my book.

Not a question of guilt mate. Just get fed up with people acting like they are doing a noble thing by not going and slagging off people that still go. Totally respect peoples decisions, but has it helped at all?
When other clubs have issues with boards or managers they make it known. We just gave up. It's sad, but not the fault of season ticket holders.

But the season ticket holders don't help matters when they just sit there quietly accepting this sh* t and then turn up the next week for exactly the same deal, never doing anything about it. As you said "all those that stopped going turned up and protested in the ground week in week out things would have changed ". You can't really complain about those not going if those that still are, aren't prepared to do anything.

Not complaining about people not turning up, it's their decision and I totally understand it. What pisses me off is coming on here and being called a mug and,as a season ticket holder,blamed for the state of the club.
I've been on the protests. I held up a banner at the misguided "time for a change" protest and got dogs abuse for it. I posted on here that there were tickets available and we should turn up en masse for it...but no one did. I did the shit walk out (cant remeber which game). It was very successful for the Scousers.. .all that happened at ours was that i got mocked. I did the boycott last season (Sunderland game i think) and that acheived fuck all.
I'm not digging people out for not going..but maybe if more people turned up for these it would have been taken seriously. Unfortunately we'll never know. Not having a go at you mate as I know you were heavily involved in the protests.it just fucks me off coming on here and getting slagged off for going to matches.
Whilst I agree if the stadium was empty every week things would change...that will never happen. Someone did an excellent post on here during the week about shit attendances, it will always happen during shit times but people will still go (myself included) even of we were relegated...because I'm an Arsenal fan and will always want to see us play, such is the life of a football fan.
As I said before, I totally respect peoples decisions not to go...but don't act like you are making a difference (again not you personally) and criticise people who still attend. At the end of the day it's easyto give up when times are tough...but if you come back when times are good, is that not the definition of a "glory boy"... again (for the last time) not aimed at you.
Anyway this subject has been done to death and none of us know the answer so I'll leave it. All i ask is people stop calling me a mug because I'm a season ticket holder...i want Wenger out as much as anyone, i hate the state of the club as much as anyone...but I refuse to stop doing what I love because a shit manager and a crunt of an owner.

[Ray C]

Commiserations to those that went.
Pathetic limp wristed crap,that is the norm for us now.
It's barely moved me ,bit like the players .
Funny thing is we can still win the europa but not playing like this.
The slide is picking up speed .

Basically sums it up.

Dito.It's got that bad now that the wife doesn't know if they won or lost by my expression on my face anymore. After all these years I don't care anymore. I still have my memories of this club & that's all that matters. We'll be back.

[robbo10]

Commiserations to those that went.
Pathetic limp wristed crap,that is the norm for us now.
It's barely moved me ,bit like the players .
Funny thing is we can still win the europa but not playing like this.
The slide is picking up speed .

Basically sums it up.

6th game we've lost this year isnt it,relegation form........

3 in cup competition games but I see what you mean.

Yeah point taken but what I'm getting at is like Herd says,losing breeds the losing mentality,it seem's rife and acceptable at the club,and I dont see fuck all changing with the poorest squad I can remember for years,and silly bollocks in charge

[Nos89]

Tactically Wenger got it wrong. Surprised Jack was out wide left. He did alright but he's not that type of player. Ramsey should not have started. Welbeck on the left. Ozil and Jack were played out of position.
But is anyone surprised we lost? Nobody thought we would win, and a lot on here didn't want us to win.
City were average in the first 15 mins and we should have started with pace but we didn't. It was the way we lost not that we lost is the concern.

[augie]

Tactically Wenger got it wrong. Surprised Jack was out wide left. He did alright but he's not that type of player. Ramsey should not have started. Welbeck on the left. Ozil and Jack were played out of position.
But is anyone surprised we lost? Nobody thought we would win, and a lot on here didn't want us to win.
City were average in the first 15 mins and we should have started with pace but we didn't. It was the way we lost not that we lost is the concern.

Is there a position, any position, in this formation that would suit ozil ? Sometimes you can play a player in a position that doesnt suit him and you can get away with it if he works hard to cover for his weaknesses, but ozil wont even work hard no matter where he is played I was 100% against getting him to sign a new deal because our team isnt good enough to carry a player like ozil for 85% of games, but to offer him a new deal worth 350k per week is utter lunacy

[Almunia is a clown]

Third goal went in, mass exodus and a big punch up on the concourse between Wenger in and out blokes. Welcome to 2018 Arsenal

AKB's are the enemy within the supporters, just as Wenger & Kroenke are the enemy within the club.

[Ernie71]

Let's look back at this result at the end of the season.

I maintain that the fluky FA Cup wins in 2014 and 2017 (contract renewal years) played a significant part in allowing him to cling on in spite of all the evidence that we were declining year on year. Others said "nonsense, he would have stayed regardless".

If he does go this summer instead of completing his current two-year contract then I will respectfully suggest I was right. Maybe - just maybe - some of you who were saying "oooh, it's a cup final, let's forget about Wenger and have a great day out" will regret that you found it easier to be seduced into ignoring the bigger picture and saving us more years of purgatory and decline.

Watch this post - and if I am proved wrong feel free to say so. But if I'm right.....look at yourselves in the mirror and wonder what the hell you were celebrating.

Revisionist bullshit. We were the better team in the 2017 cup final and only someone with a one dimensional but over riding agenda would even try pretend otherwise.

Similarly if you honestly believe losing the league cup is gonna see him sacked you are delusional.

Christ the club is in crisis and we have fans on here that can't see past "look at me - I was right".

Sacked over the league cup.... don't make me fucking laugh.

No sacked after 14 years of failure in the Prem.And dont say we cant compete with Man City Man Utd and Chelsea.Leicester fucking City competed with them

22 years of failure in the CL.But we cant compete with Barcelona Real Madrid and Bayern in the year of the Invincibles Porto won it and a year later the worst Liverpool team won it

We were murdered today this wasnt an unlucky defeat this was a repeat of the game at Wembley two weeks ago

Wenger inherited half of Grahams team he will leave his successor a pile of horseshit