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They are looking for a very quick and safe option to fix our biggest defensive problems. If we sign Sokratis then fair fucks to them. As far as I've seen him play in Bundesliga he has been more that solid. Same with Lichtsteiner (although haven't seem him play one single match...).

But, I pray to all gods that we put our money on battle warrior type of DM. That position can't be compromised, we really need a world class player to that position. So with these experienced defender additions + good enough DM we'd be ready to challenge. Our attack is good enough already.

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Jock Gooner wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:21 am
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Tue May 29, 2018 8:42 am
I'd rather have Alexander Arnold, Van Djik & Robertson over any of the defenders at this club, not sure why their defence gets so much stick, kept a lot of clean sheets last year, every team brainfarts at the back, it's not exclusive a problem to them.

A fair point, I would certainly take those 3 ahead of anything we have.


I really am not conviced by arnold yet - he did well in the champions league final (which surprised me tbh), but I honestly dont think that he has ever been challenged by a quality player and because the english meeja have history of bigging up young english players too early, I am waiting to see if he turns out to be as good as advertised. Likewise I am waiting to see if a proper coach (dick emery) can do anything with bellerin or if he has gone too far down the wrong road to be saved - people forget that bellerin was one of the brightest prospects in the game a few years ago, and I am hopeful that, if he sheds his arrogance, he can still turn out to be great full back back. If we see another season of the same then I would sell him, but until then I am not prepared to put arnold ahead of him
When I see van dijk I am reminded of kos except van dijk is better in the air - I sometimes feel that his pace gets him out of moments where he drifts out of position and/or has a brainfart moment, and I think the two of them need a big commanding centre half alongside them for them to really flourish. There is no doubt that he is better than anything we have right now, but I still have doubts about his pure defensive abilities.

Robertson is hands down better than anything we have - I have been openly saying that I would replace monreal NOW if we have the necessary funds after buying quality for the bigger priority positions

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Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:57 am
They are looking for a very quick and safe option to fix our biggest defensive problems. If we sign Sokratis then fair fucks to them. As far as I've seen him play in Bundesliga he has been more that solid. Same with Lichtsteiner (although haven't seem him play one single match...).

But, I pray to all gods that we put our money on battle warrior type of DM. That position can't be compromised, we really need a world class player to that position. So with these experienced defender additions + good enough DM we'd be ready to challenge. Our attack is good enough already.



Myself and my eldest lad were discussing whether the CDM or CB should be the biggest priority for the club this summer - I pointed out that, up to a point, a quality CDM can protect his back 4, but if we have an average CDM then the back 4 will be exposed time and time again no matter how good they are. Tbh I would also target chellini if he is still out of contract - I know that the age and pace thing might be an issue (especially if we also signed lichensteiner (sp :oops: ), but a leader with real organisational skills would bring an awful lot to our defence.

Personally the priorities for me are

1. Quality CDM
2. Quality Keeper
3. Quality CB
4. Upgrade at left back

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https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 49561.html

Arsenal 'going nowhere' with Unai Emery's £60m transfer budget, says Emmanuel Petit

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So true, I like Petit he doesn't keep quiet about the c*nts who run the club.

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augie wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:50 am
1989 wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:05 am
Augie,

Their midfield is not shite anymore. They've upgraded massively with the signings of Fabinho and Keita. Let's be real.

Hope they stick with Karius though, lol.


We are basing that on how they did with their previous clubs in different leagues - history is full of examples of players who have been outstanding in other leagues but failed in england (veron is always the one that stands out for me cos he was world class). Fekir is the obvious one that I would be less sure of - he has done well in a poor french league, and doesnt seem to have been on the wanted list of any of the big clubs in europe (not saying that is proof in itself). If fabinho is seen as a CDM then the expectations on him will be different cos his job will be mainly to stop opposition attacks - fekir though is seen as a creative player, and he now has to show that he can do the same job in a much faster and a more physical league. For france last night he was picked to play wide in the front 3, so how and where does he fit in with that liverpool team ? The obvious answer is that he will play up top, but will he oust one of their current front 3 or is he a back-up player, cos it is a lot of money for a back-up player ?
You're not taking into consideration the Keita signing though? He's a terrific player. One of the best midfielders in the Bundesliga.

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augie wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:50 am
1989 wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:05 am
Augie,

Their midfield is not shite anymore. They've upgraded massively with the signings of Fabinho and Keita. Let's be real.

Hope they stick with Karius though, lol.



We are basing that on how they did with their previous clubs in different leagues - history is full of examples of players who have been outstanding in other leagues but failed in england (veron is always the one that stands out for me cos he was world class). Fekir is the obvious one that I would be less sure of - he has done well in a poor french league, and doesnt seem to have been on the wanted list of any of the big clubs in europe (not saying that is proof in itself). If fabinho is seen as a CDM then the expectations on him will be different cos his job will be mainly to stop opposition attacks - fekir though is seen as a creative player, and he now has to show that he can do the same job in a much faster and a more physical league. For france last night he was picked to play wide in the front 3, so how and where does he fit in with that liverpool team ? The obvious answer is that he will play up top, but will he oust one of their current front 3 or is he a back-up player, cos it is a lot of money for a back-up player ?
Fekir would most probably be the number 10 replacing Coutinho in either a 4-3-2-1 or Klopp's favoured 4-3-3 with Fabinho and Keita behind. The latter two are a clear upgrade from Henderson and Wijnaldum.

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 6:41 am
SydneyGooner wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 4:51 am
With Fabinho, Keita and Fekir Liverpool have the makings of a solid midfield that suit Klopp's style of play. They're only a keeper and a centreback away from competing for the league this coming season IMO.
Don't agree at all. Klopp's "style" is try and hit everyone on the break at pace attack attack try and outscore the oppo and hope for the best. He's the modern Ossie Ardiles! When clued-in managers counter that, Klopp has less of a plan B than Wenger had. The Mouser's entire defence is awful and hugely accident prone at their primary job - defending. Their midfield were absolutely exposed as bang average by Madrid. Without Mo Salah they would have been 5th or 6th in the PL this season.

Not a chance will they be challenging for the title next year.... they (like us over the last decade) are too inconsistent. Consistency wins titles, not flashes of quality and a limited goofy attention whore manager.
I hope you're right but for me they've massively upgraded that midfield just a solid keeper and centreback away from challenging. They're pretty much sorted every where else.

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1989 wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 10:42 am
augie wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:50 am
1989 wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:05 am
Augie,

Their midfield is not shite anymore. They've upgraded massively with the signings of Fabinho and Keita. Let's be real.

Hope they stick with Karius though, lol.


We are basing that on how they did with their previous clubs in different leagues - history is full of examples of players who have been outstanding in other leagues but failed in england (veron is always the one that stands out for me cos he was world class). Fekir is the obvious one that I would be less sure of - he has done well in a poor french league, and doesnt seem to have been on the wanted list of any of the big clubs in europe (not saying that is proof in itself). If fabinho is seen as a CDM then the expectations on him will be different cos his job will be mainly to stop opposition attacks - fekir though is seen as a creative player, and he now has to show that he can do the same job in a much faster and a more physical league. For france last night he was picked to play wide in the front 3, so how and where does he fit in with that liverpool team ? The obvious answer is that he will play up top, but will he oust one of their current front 3 or is he a back-up player, cos it is a lot of money for a back-up player ?
You're not taking into consideration the Keita signing though? He's a terrific player. One of the best midfielders in the Bundesliga.
And he may need one or even two seasons to get up to speed (literally) in the PL. Just signing good or even great players is not enough. They then have to fit into and excel in your system and you have to have a manager that can coach them to work as a unit. Klopp's problem (like Wenger's was) is too much faith in his idea of how the game "should" be played rather than being pragmatic and making his team firstly hard to beat and then secondly capable of blowing other teams away. We had it in 91, 98, 02 and 04, Pep and the Arabs had it last year, manure had it in numerous seasons, the Mousers had it in the late 70's and the 80's but Klopp and the Victims don't have it and probably never will under him.

I'm just praying that Dick will put us back on that level of being a true contender and a top team again. Already he is saying the right things about work rate and pressing etc so I'm hopeful. 8)

Just once he doesn't upset Ozil with silly demands to go do a Robbie Savage impression.... :D :wink:

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 12:06 pm
1989 wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 10:42 am
augie wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:50 am
1989 wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:05 am
Augie,

Their midfield is not shite anymore. They've upgraded massively with the signings of Fabinho and Keita. Let's be real.

Hope they stick with Karius though, lol.


We are basing that on how they did with their previous clubs in different leagues - history is full of examples of players who have been outstanding in other leagues but failed in england (veron is always the one that stands out for me cos he was world class). Fekir is the obvious one that I would be less sure of - he has done well in a poor french league, and doesnt seem to have been on the wanted list of any of the big clubs in europe (not saying that is proof in itself). If fabinho is seen as a CDM then the expectations on him will be different cos his job will be mainly to stop opposition attacks - fekir though is seen as a creative player, and he now has to show that he can do the same job in a much faster and a more physical league. For france last night he was picked to play wide in the front 3, so how and where does he fit in with that liverpool team ? The obvious answer is that he will play up top, but will he oust one of their current front 3 or is he a back-up player, cos it is a lot of money for a back-up player ?
You're not taking into consideration the Keita signing though? He's a terrific player. One of the best midfielders in the Bundesliga.
And he may need one or even two seasons to get up to speed (literally) in the PL. Just signing good or even great players is not enough. They then have to fit into and excel in your system and you have to have a manager that can coach them to work as a unit. Klopp's problem (like Wenger's was) is too much faith in his idea of how the game "should" be played rather than being pragmatic and making his team firstly hard to beat and then secondly capable of blowing other teams away. We had it in 91, 98, 02 and 04, Pep and the Arabs had it last year, manure had it in numerous seasons, the Mousers had it in the late 70's and the 80's but Klopp and the Victims don't have it and probably never will under him.

I'm just praying that Dick will put us back on that level of being a true contender and a top team again. Already he is saying the right things about work rate and pressing etc so I'm hopeful. 8)

Just once he doesn't upset Ozil with silly demands to go do a Robbie Savage impression.... :D :wink:
What you mean get a SprayOn Perma-Tan, Teeth Whitner and act like a C.U.N.T ?? :? :D

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OneBardGooner wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 12:22 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 12:06 pm
1989 wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 10:42 am
augie wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:50 am
1989 wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:05 am
Augie,

Their midfield is not shite anymore. They've upgraded massively with the signings of Fabinho and Keita. Let's be real.

Hope they stick with Karius though, lol.


We are basing that on how they did with their previous clubs in different leagues - history is full of examples of players who have been outstanding in other leagues but failed in england (veron is always the one that stands out for me cos he was world class). Fekir is the obvious one that I would be less sure of - he has done well in a poor french league, and doesnt seem to have been on the wanted list of any of the big clubs in europe (not saying that is proof in itself). If fabinho is seen as a CDM then the expectations on him will be different cos his job will be mainly to stop opposition attacks - fekir though is seen as a creative player, and he now has to show that he can do the same job in a much faster and a more physical league. For france last night he was picked to play wide in the front 3, so how and where does he fit in with that liverpool team ? The obvious answer is that he will play up top, but will he oust one of their current front 3 or is he a back-up player, cos it is a lot of money for a back-up player ?
You're not taking into consideration the Keita signing though? He's a terrific player. One of the best midfielders in the Bundesliga.
And he may need one or even two seasons to get up to speed (literally) in the PL. Just signing good or even great players is not enough. They then have to fit into and excel in your system and you have to have a manager that can coach them to work as a unit. Klopp's problem (like Wenger's was) is too much faith in his idea of how the game "should" be played rather than being pragmatic and making his team firstly hard to beat and then secondly capable of blowing other teams away. We had it in 91, 98, 02 and 04, Pep and the Arabs had it last year, manure had it in numerous seasons, the Mousers had it in the late 70's and the 80's but Klopp and the Victims don't have it and probably never will under him.

I'm just praying that Dick will put us back on that level of being a true contender and a top team again. Already he is saying the right things about work rate and pressing etc so I'm hopeful. 8)

Just once he doesn't upset Ozil with silly demands to go do a Robbie Savage impression.... :D :wink:
What you mean get a SprayOn Perma-Tan, Teeth Whitner and act like a C.U.N.T ?? :? :D
:lol: :lol:

That could actually be Savage's obituary;

"Here lies Robbie Savage, SprayOn Perma-Tan, Teeth Whitener, acted like a cúnt". :lol: :wink:

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augie wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 10:07 am
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:57 am
They are looking for a very quick and safe option to fix our biggest defensive problems. If we sign Sokratis then fair fucks to them. As far as I've seen him play in Bundesliga he has been more that solid. Same with Lichtsteiner (although haven't seem him play one single match...).

But, I pray to all gods that we put our money on battle warrior type of DM. That position can't be compromised, we really need a world class player to that position. So with these experienced defender additions + good enough DM we'd be ready to challenge. Our attack is good enough already.



Myself and my eldest lad were discussing whether the CDM or CB should be the biggest priority for the club this summer - I pointed out that, up to a point, a quality CDM can protect his back 4, but if we have an average CDM then the back 4 will be exposed time and time again no matter how good they are. Tbh I would also target chellini if he is still out of contract - I know that the age and pace thing might be an issue (especially if we also signed lichensteiner (sp :oops: ), but a leader with real organisational skills would bring an awful lot to our defence.

Personally the priorities for me are

1. Quality CDM
2. Quality Keeper
3. Quality CB
4. Upgrade at left back
To start with, also get shot of the like sof Iwobi, welbeck, Mustafi and Xhaka.

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OneBardGooner wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 12:58 pm
augie wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 10:07 am
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:57 am
They are looking for a very quick and safe option to fix our biggest defensive problems. If we sign Sokratis then fair fucks to them. As far as I've seen him play in Bundesliga he has been more that solid. Same with Lichtsteiner (although haven't seem him play one single match...).

But, I pray to all gods that we put our money on battle warrior type of DM. That position can't be compromised, we really need a world class player to that position. So with these experienced defender additions + good enough DM we'd be ready to challenge. Our attack is good enough already.



Myself and my eldest lad were discussing whether the CDM or CB should be the biggest priority for the club this summer - I pointed out that, up to a point, a quality CDM can protect his back 4, but if we have an average CDM then the back 4 will be exposed time and time again no matter how good they are. Tbh I would also target chellini if he is still out of contract - I know that the age and pace thing might be an issue (especially if we also signed lichensteiner (sp :oops: ), but a leader with real organisational skills would bring an awful lot to our defence.

Personally the priorities for me are

1. Quality CDM
2. Quality Keeper
3. Quality CB
4. Upgrade at left back
To start with, also get shot of the like sof Iwobi, welbeck, Mustafi and Xhaka.
I'd nearly hang onto Welwide tbh.... :shock: Under a new manager like Dick and maybe converted into a proper winger his work rate could be useful and he might kick on as a player. I've always liked his attitude and work rate, but unfortunately he is not a predatory striker and never will be. But of course someone will have to break the mould at Arsenal and actually teach him how to cross a ball. Likewise our fullbacks.

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The Arsenal Way wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 5:34 pm
PSG Goalkeeping coach incoming.

https://en.onefootball.com/psg-coach-se ... nal-staff/
Shame that, I would have liked Mad Jens to stay at the club. Can’t see there being enough room for two goalkeeping coaches.

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nut flush gooner wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 6:23 pm
The Arsenal Way wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 5:34 pm
PSG Goalkeeping coach incoming.

https://en.onefootball.com/psg-coach-se ... nal-staff/
Shame that, I would have liked Mad Jens to stay at the club. Can’t see there being enough room for two goalkeeping coaches.
Lehmann is not a goalkeeping coach.

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