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Another game v a top 5 opponent and Ozil disappears its fucking amazing how he keeps getting away with it. And still some Gooners cant see it.When we play a top 5 team with Ozil in the team we play with 10 men.
He was poor today but even then he wasn't the worst player by a long shot. Boomerang Xhaka Bellend and Mickey Tarragon (apart from his goal) both CHs were all far worse.
This top 6 team myth is just that.... a myth. Name one Arsenal player that has turned up for every top 6 game over the last 5 years. Fuck it nane one that has delivered for even most of those games. He's been as good and as bad against the top 6 as every other Arsenal player.
Is that your answer he wasnt our worst player?For £350k a week i would expect man of the match performances wouldnt you?Well done Ozil we lost but you werent our worst player. Since his £350k contract he has failed to turn up in any game
Is that your answer? Ignore my question? Name one player.
My point is ignored is ridiculous singling one player out when there are worse players on that team.
I don't get all the childish hate and anger aimed at him about the 350k a week. Wenger is the idiot that gave him that money. Ozil is not worth 350k a week. Few players are.
Whether you like him of not he is still our best player and Dick should either play a system that suits him or get rid. I've sways said that.
Another game v a top 5 opponent and Ozil disappears its fucking amazing how he keeps getting away with it. And still some Gooners cant see it.When we play a top 5 team with Ozil in the team we play with 10 men.
He was poor today but even then he wasn't the worst player by a long shot. Boomerang Xhaka Bellend and Mickey Tarragon (apart from his goal) both CHs were all far worse.
This top 6 team myth is just that.... a myth. Name one Arsenal player that has turned up for every top 6 game over the last 5 years. Fuck it nane one that has delivered for even most of those games. He's been as good and as bad against the top 6 as every other Arsenal player.
Tbf mate miki got a goal and assist and on another day would have had 3 assists because he served the chances up on a plate but our finishing today was shocking.
Saying that we were poor for large parts of the game and I see no difference to last season yet apart from some awful attempt at passing from the back.
I'm sure it will get better, though this is our worst start since 92 when we came 10th.
Agreed. But apart from the goal and one or two decent touches Mickey Tarragon was awful again.
I'm quietly confident Dick will get us at least top 6 and maybe top 4 but there is a lot that needs changing. Especially the silly playing from the back thing.
Another game v a top 5 opponent and Ozil disappears its fucking amazing how he keeps getting away with it. And still some Gooners cant see it.When we play a top 5 team with Ozil in the team we play with 10 men.
He was poor today but even then he wasn't the worst player by a long shot. Boomerang Xhaka Bellend and Mickey Tarragon (apart from his goal) both CHs were all far worse.
This top 6 team myth is just that.... a myth. Name one Arsenal player that has turned up for every top 6 game over the last 5 years. Fuck it nane one that has delivered for even most of those games. He's been as good and as bad against the top 6 as every other Arsenal player.
Is that your answer he wasnt our worst player?For £350k a week i would expect man of the match performances wouldnt you?Well done Ozil we lost but you werent our worst player. Since his £350k contract he has failed to turn up in any game
Is that your answer? Ignore my question? Name one player.
My point is ignored is ridiculous singling one player out when there are worse players on that team.
I don't get all the childish hate and anger aimed at him about the 350k a week. Wenger is the idiot that gave him that money. Ozil is not worth 350k a week. Few players are.
Whether you like him of not he is still our best player and Dick should either play a system that suits him or get rid. I've sways said that.
As I have said before, I'm not an ozil hater as such, but I cant agree with the highlighted bit - ozil is probably one of the best technical players in europe, but to be "our best player" he has to be consistantly performing on the pitch and he is not doing that regardless of the reasons why. Our best player needs to be our best player in his displays and not stats or in a few moments of excellence during a season cos best players have to SHOW why they are considered the best
Btw, I would say that getting rid of a £350k per week player will be impossible and ozil himself knows that
This is getting ridiculous, definitely blinked and delusional.
Our Elite and highest paid and highest profile player is and should be held to a higher standard.
Doesn't matter the others were also bad -we are talking about one particular player here and we signed him for these big matches against out top rivals.
Once again he is a superb,silky player but not for the dynamic,powerful,competitive EPL. Ligue 1 is perfect for him.
When Sol Campbell had that 'mare against West Ham and he abandoned the team at half-time he took responsibility for his wretched performance.No one rolled out the excuse that others players were just as bad!.
This is getting ridiculous, definitely blinked and delusional.
Our Elite and highest paid and highest profile player is and should be held to a higher standard.
Doesn't matter the others were also bad -we are talking about one particular player here and we signed him for these big matches against out top rivals.
Once again he is a superb,silky player but not for the dynamic,powerful,competitive EPL. Ligue 1 is perfect for him.
When Sol Campbell had that 'mare against West Ham and he abandoned the team at half-time he took responsibility for his wretched performance.No one rolled out the excuse that others players were just as bad!.
Absolutely right. This is a thread about Ozil, who is the second highest-paid player in the country. Think about that. He earns more than Kane. More than Salah.. More than Aguero and (the currently injured) De Bruyne. More than Hazard, who created the winning goal in his short time on the field on his way back from putting in a proper shift at the World Cup.
Don't defend Ozil by claiming he is hampered by being a frustrated artist in a team of artisans. Ian WWW did not go missing in the last three years under George Graham when he had little support. Nor did Liam Brady when he had the likes of Willie Young, David Price and Steve Walford for company. Great players just find a way.
This is getting ridiculous, definitely blinked and delusional.
Our Elite and highest paid and highest profile player is and should be held to a higher standard.
Doesn't matter the others were also bad -we are talking about one particular player here and we signed him for these big matches against out top rivals.
Once again he is a superb,silky player but not for the dynamic,powerful,competitive EPL. Ligue 1 is perfect for him.
When Sol Campbell had that 'mare against West Ham and he abandoned the team at half-time he took responsibility for his wretched performance.No one rolled out the excuse that others players were just as bad!.
At least you are finally making an effort to make some sense. But you are wrong. You can't single out and blame one player when every player underperformed in those games and especially when that player wasn't even the worst player we had in those games and continued to create chances that the other underperforming players pissed away. It's a team game. One player cannot win you those games by himself no matter how much he is paid.
Another game v a top 5 opponent and Ozil disappears its fucking amazing how he keeps getting away with it. And still some Gooners cant see it.When we play a top 5 team with Ozil in the team we play with 10 men.
He was poor today but even then he wasn't the worst player by a long shot. Boomerang Xhaka Bellend and Mickey Tarragon (apart from his goal) both CHs were all far worse.
This top 6 team myth is just that.... a myth. Name one Arsenal player that has turned up for every top 6 game over the last 5 years. Fuck it nane one that has delivered for even most of those games. He's been as good and as bad against the top 6 as every other Arsenal player.
Is that your answer he wasnt our worst player?For £350k a week i would expect man of the match performances wouldnt you?Well done Ozil we lost but you werent our worst player. Since his £350k contract he has failed to turn up in any game
Is that your answer? Ignore my question? Name one player.
My point is ignored is ridiculous singling one player out when there are worse players on that team.
I don't get all the childish hate and anger aimed at him about the 350k a week. Wenger is the idiot that gave him that money. Ozil is not worth 350k a week. Few players are.
Whether you like him of not he is still our best player and Dick should either play a system that suits him or get rid. I've sways said that.
As I have said before, I'm not an ozil hater as such, but I cant agree with the highlighted bit - ozil is probably one of the best technical players in europe, but to be "our best player" he has to be consistantly performing on the pitch and he is not doing that regardless of the reasons why. Our best player needs to be our best player in his displays and not stats or in a few moments of excellence during a season cos best players have to SHOW why they are considered the best
Btw, I would say that getting rid of a £350k per week player will be impossible and ozil himself knows that
You are going into semantics there augie. You know exactly what I meant by "best player".
This is getting ridiculous, definitely blinked and delusional.
Our Elite and highest paid and highest profile player is and should be held to a higher standard.
Doesn't matter the others were also bad -we are talking about one particular player here and we signed him for these big matches against out top rivals.
Once again he is a superb,silky player but not for the dynamic,powerful,competitive EPL. Ligue 1 is perfect for him.
When Sol Campbell had that 'mare against West Ham and he abandoned the team at half-time he took responsibility for his wretched performance.No one rolled out the excuse that others players were just as bad!.
Absolutely right. This is a thread about Ozil, who is the second highest-paid player in the country. Think about that. He earns more than Kane. More than Salah.. More than Aguero and (the currently injured) De Bruyne. More than Hazard, who created the winning goal in his short time on the field on his way back from putting in a proper shift at the World Cup.
Don't defend Ozil by claiming he is hampered by being a frustrated artist in a team of artisans. Ian WWW did not go missing in the last three years under George Graham when he had little support. Nor did Liam Brady when he had the likes of Willie Young, David Price and Steve Walford for company. Great players just find a way.
You are again entirely missing the point. Ozil is an artist hampered by artisans. Top players need to play with other top players to be at their best. Ozil is not an all round mid field dynamo. He fills a very specific role as a creator of chances and assists. I've always said it either play to his ability or get rid.
As for Wrighty? He was a freak a one off. Silly comparison. And Brady? Similar. But the point you miss there is neither won the league playing with those lesser players did they. Wrighty only won it on the shirt tails of DB10 PV4 MO11 etc.
To be honest DB10 I would say he probably was our worst player yesterday. He was more anonymous than I can ever remember and in a game where to be fair we created more chances away at a big side than I can remember. For an attacking player it can’t get a lot worse than doing absolutely nothing of note, other than weakly squandering that great chance that came his way.
Shape of the team still doesn’t look right - I think Emery is still reluctant to build the shape around Ozil but he isn’t the sort of player who will just spot into any system (unless he is playing in the sort of side which will absolutely dominate 90%+ of games.
He was poor today but even then he wasn't the worst player by a long shot. Boomerang Xhaka Bellend and Mickey Tarragon (apart from his goal) both CHs were all far worse.
This top 6 team myth is just that.... a myth. Name one Arsenal player that has turned up for every top 6 game over the last 5 years. Fuck it nane one that has delivered for even most of those games. He's been as good and as bad against the top 6 as every other Arsenal player.
Is that your answer he wasnt our worst player?For £350k a week i would expect man of the match performances wouldnt you?Well done Ozil we lost but you werent our worst player. Since his £350k contract he has failed to turn up in any game
Is that your answer? Ignore my question? Name one player.
My point is ignored is ridiculous singling one player out when there are worse players on that team.
I don't get all the childish hate and anger aimed at him about the 350k a week. Wenger is the idiot that gave him that money. Ozil is not worth 350k a week. Few players are.
Whether you like him of not he is still our best player and Dick should either play a system that suits him or get rid. I've sways said that.
As I have said before, I'm not an ozil hater as such, but I cant agree with the highlighted bit - ozil is probably one of the best technical players in europe, but to be "our best player" he has to be consistantly performing on the pitch and he is not doing that regardless of the reasons why. Our best player needs to be our best player in his displays and not stats or in a few moments of excellence during a season cos best players have to SHOW why they are considered the best
Btw, I would say that getting rid of a £350k per week player will be impossible and ozil himself knows that
You are going into semantics there augie. You know exactly what I meant by "best player".
the sad fact is that we aren't good enough for Ozil, not the other way around,put him in citys side and hed be a rolls Royce purring away and probably one of europes most coveted players,but playing with sub standard shit at Arsenal he looks plain average or shit mostly,he is a luxury that right now we cant afford to carry
So you think Silva or De Bruyne would be as useless as he is in our set up? Don't see it. It comes down to attitude first and foremost and his stinks, whatever his talent level may be.
Look at his body language as he was walking off the pitch when Dick hooked him, not even a glance towards the away end let alone a show of acknowledgement for their support. Honestly fuck him.
He's been as good and as bad against the top 6 as every other Arsenal player.
