OZIL - Merged Thread

[flash gunner]

So you think Silva or De Bruyne would be as useless as he is in our set up? Don't see it. It comes down to attitude first and foremost and his stinks, whatever his talent level may be.

I agree with this, saying he is a good player in a bad team isnt highlighting the whole truth. The truth is he isnt as good as many people think and his wages would suggest and his work rate is not good enough. People will put up with the bad performances if they see effort. Ozil gives neither good performances nor effort

[Blade]

it's not down to 'attitude'.He doesn't have the strength,Skill,physicality and fitness for the EPL.Sick of the countless time he throws arms up in frustration when dissopssed of the ball after another unsuccessful attempt at dribble.

[Henry Norris 1913]

Everywhere he looks people are asking more from him, national team, Arsenal, people in the media. Fair enough he’s dodged the hard questions for germany by staging an elaborate retirement that turns the heat onto the dfb but not sure how he can escape these at Arsenal. When wenger was manager I was willing to give him benefit of the doubt as he has admittedly got ability and has shown a few glimpses here and there. But now he needs to dominate 90% of games for me to think maybe I was wrong but I’m not holding my breathe. I can count on one hand how many games he’s dominated in the past few years – most of the games against lower half of the table cannon fodder, with a small exception for chelsea at home in 2016.

I keep reading the tired old defence that he’s an artist that needs those around him to carry him for the majority of the game so he can add the finishing touches but by that reckoning you’re admitting he is a hugely limited footballer or either not putting in the effort. Players like Pogba, Kante, Silva etc do not consistently go missing. Xhaka was our best offensive midfielder against ch*lsea and that has to be worry. I saw ozil looking more languid than ever on saturday, as if he has no faith in his own abilities anymore. I think what dicky needs to do is drop him for all league matches and select him for league cup and Europe. There is nowhere to hide when you’re at a club like Arsenal and if he finds that embarrassing or degrading then he has to show more and only when he can consistently do it there then he should be starting the bigger games. Until then the greatest gift he’s given us as a club is extra shirt sale revenue.

[1989]

it's not down to 'attitude'.He doesn't have the strength,Skill,physicality and fitness for the EPL.Sick of the countless time he throws arms up in frustration when dissopssed of the ball after another unsuccessful attempt at dribble.

It's most certainly down to attitude. He doesn't lack skill or talent, he lacks work ethic and a proper attitude. David Silva and Christian Eriksen are similarly talented players/number 10 types but what separates them from him is that they work their bollocks off for their teams and don't consistently go missing when the chips are down.

[Blade]

What bs he is an artist who needs artisans around him to excel?.

Elite players don't need.They just good enough to make the difference.

[Blade]

David Silva and Christian Eriksen are nimble, quick witted with enough skill/guileto make space for themselves in tight situations or indeed sprint away from trouble .They can also thread a pass,take a mean free-kick and have the work ethic to track back when needed.

I have seen both glide pass players,tackle,cover their fullback,win headers,block crosses,etc ..and if an artisan like Ryan F takes the ball away -they will get it back with a look of indignance and utter disdain. No head thrown back,arms up in air,hunched shoulders .

[DB10GOONER]

What bs he is an artist who needs artisans around him to excel?.

Elite players don't need.They just good enough to make the difference.

No you clown he's an artist that needs other artists around him. It's the artisans he's struggling with ffs!

[DB10GOONER]

Too many posts to reply to them all individually. Tbh I'm sick to my hole trying to explain this to a few of you!

1. Yes he is a limited player. Never said he wasn't. He fills a certain role. Creator of chances and assists. He has the best figures in the PL and he has played surrounded by shit and still hit those figures. Imagine what he could do with a top striker and a top DM in there.

2. Who gives a fuck if he didn't wave to the away fans. Ffs what age are you?

3. He would be immense in that citeh side. If you cannot see that you should stop watching football. DeBruyne and Hazard woukd struggle in our team. That is a fact. Top players need other top players to be at their best. Remember Bergkamp in his first season? And then remember Bergkamp when he had Overmars Anelka and Vieira and later Pires and Henry.

I've always said it either buy in the quality strikers and build the team around his ability to create or get rid.

[DB10GOONER]

it's not down to 'attitude'.He doesn't have the strength,Skill,physicality and fitness for the EPL.Sick of the countless time he throws arms up in frustration when dissopssed of the ball after another unsuccessful attempt at dribble.

It's most certainly down to attitude. He doesn't lack skill or talent, he lacks work ethic and a proper attitude. David Silva and Christian Eriksen are similarly talented players/number 10 types but what separates them from him is that they work their bollocks off for their teams and don't consistently go missing when the chips are down.

And yet neither create as many chances or assists as Ozil. That's not to say they are not good players but they are very different types of players. Get past this English obsession with "putting in a shift". You'll win nothing in the modern game with a team full of workers. You need at least 2 or 3 top class players that think on a higher level. Every team that has won the PL for the last 15 to 20 years has had that. You take Ozil out and we have who to create - Xhaka? Stop ffs.

[DB10GOONER]

To be honest DB10 I would say he probably was our worst player yesterday. He was more anonymous than I can ever remember and in a game where to be fair we created more chances away at a big side than I can remember. For an attacking player it can’t get a lot worse than doing absolutely nothing of note, other than weakly squandering that great chance that came his way.

Shape of the team still doesn’t look right - I think Emery is still reluctant to build the shape around Ozil but he isn’t the sort of player who will just spot into any system (unless he is playing in the sort of side which will absolutely dominate 90%+ of games.

Don't agree.

He was poor certainly. He was anonymous but seldom lost possession cheaply. Xhaka, Ramsey Bellend and Mickey Tarragon were far worse pissing possession away for a laugh. The 2 CHs looked like amateurs. Boomerang was shocking missing sitters and mistiming his runs. Comedy Iwobi apart from two good runs and a decent goal was absolute gash as well pissing possession away, trying step overs and knocking himself over.

Ozil was anonymous and poor for that but there were worse players out there.

[flash gunner]

3. He would be immense in that citeh side. If you cannot see that you should stop watching football. DeBruyne and Hazard woukd struggle in our team. That is a fact. Top players need other top players to be at their best. Remember Bergkamp in his first season? And then remember Bergkamp when he had Overmars Anelka and Vieira and later Pires and Henry.

I dont agree that that is a fact mate. I think he has most of the players around him to make a difference, our attacking options are very good (not up there with Henry and Pires or City granted) its defensively we lack. Ozil rarely makes the difference between getting a result or not, its normally not, thats no coincidence..... Hazard when he can be bothered instead of Ozil would make a big difference to Arsenal.

and please stop calling him Mickey Tarragon

[DB10GOONER]

3. He would be immense in that citeh side. If you cannot see that you should stop watching football. DeBruyne and Hazard woukd struggle in our team. That is a fact. Top players need other top players to be at their best. Remember Bergkamp in his first season? And then remember Bergkamp when he had Overmars Anelka and Vieira and later Pires and Henry.

I dont agree that that is a fact mate. I think he has most of the players around him to make a difference, our attacking options are very good (not up there with Henry and Pires or City granted) its defensively we lack. Ozil rarely makes the difference between getting a result or not, its normally not, thats no coincidence..... Hazard when he can be bothered instead of Ozil would make a big difference to Arsenal.

and please stop calling him Mickey Tarragon

It's better than the gay sounding Miki....

The only player I'd say that is near his level is Boomerang and his early season form is well off. The rest? Honestly they are poor to average at best in my book. What gets overlooked alot is player confidence. It must be so frustrating to play with Xhaka Iwobi Ramsey Lacazette Bellend etc.

[1989]

Too many posts to reply to them all individually. Tbh I'm sick to my hole trying to explain this to a few of you!

1. Yes he is a limited player. Never said he wasn't. He fills a certain role. Creator of chances and assists. He has the best figures in the PL and he has played surrounded by shit and still hit those figures. Imagine what he could do with a top striker and a top DM in there.

2. Who gives a fuck if he didn't wave to the away fans. Ffs what age are you?

3. He would be immense in that citeh side. If you cannot see that you should stop watching football. DeBruyne and Hazard woukd struggle in our team. That is a fact. Top players need other top players to be at their best. Remember Bergkamp in his first season? And then remember Bergkamp when he had Overmars Anelka and Vieira and later Pires and Henry.

I've always said it either buy in the quality strikers and build the team around his ability to create or get rid.

So how was Fabregas racking up goals and assists and generally performing at a consistently high level whilst being surrounded by the likes of Denilson, Song, Bendtner and Walcott? Explain that one for me please as your knowledge is clearly so superior.

Also rich of you to mention ages when you refer to players as 'Mickey Tarragon' and 'Bellend'.

[Blade]

Won't that be great

A team filled with Artists and more artists..So who is going to set up the easels and mix the paints?.

Tsk,tsk all those egos.

BTW this thread is about Herr sloth not anyone else, stick to the subject.

[Blade]

So he is a 'elite' player but plays shite then the justification is so is everyone else.

Ok can we get a refund?

and he wouldn't get within 2 feet of the City reserve team.

So many home truths here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrWojr3foik

"he wouldn't get in Pep's team".