The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[nut flush gooner]

This of course serves to illustrate the great divide. You only see things from the perspective £ 1s . , which is fine if you either have them or are in a position to get them , whereas a large proportion of the country are counting pennies..
Personally I am ok , I have worked for what I have and the effect of Brexit probably will not affect me too much . Afterall I can grow my own pototoes should I have to.
However many of the people that I count as friends cannot and I have witnessed in my years in this part of the country a slow but never ceasing decline in the standards of once great towns whose livelyhood has been stripped as their life support systems have been politically wiped away by membership of the E.U and it's policies on Farming and Fishing , which is why in the last peoples vote of 2016 the results were heavily in favour of departing .
London, Scotland and Northern Ireland were the only areas that voted to Remain in the referendum . ( U.K round up from the BBC website )
The reasons for this are not hard to fathom . Scotland for the SNP who wish to escape from Westminster's control so badly that strangely they are prepared to give it to Brussels.
Northern Ireland because of the border control and the understandable desire not to return to the 1970's
London because of Money.
Seven of the 10 areas with the highest share of the vote for Remain were in London, including Lambeth, Hackney and Haringey, all of which polled over 75% to stay in the European Union.
Leavers were highest in Lincolnshire, Essex ,Norfolk ,The Fens, and the East Midlands only one small part of East Anglia voted to stay and that was Norwich with it's UEA vote and the fast (HA HA ) commuter route to London itself.

It's a schism that will take years to heal if it ever does .

You're looking at it the wrong way. The interests of the country as a whole should always supersede that of a region.

If we neglect what generates growth and what we are good at in this country, everything else fails. I am talking about infrastructure, housing, social care, healthcare etc etc. All the things that people take for granted need a healthy economy. Because of the referendum, we are now looking at a very uncertain future no matter what form brexit takes.

Its no coincidence that China and soon India will have bigger economies than us. India in particular has a massive job to deal with the poverty of hundreds of millions. They cant do it unless they have a thriving economy. This is capitalism at work.

Just to add to this, radicalism is now rife across the world thanks to outspoken politicians/populists and social media being used to propagate false truths, we’ve even see you do it A11. The worrying thing is now there is a growing right wing extremist ideology that thinks along the same lines as ISIS. Its not as organised, but there is no doubt that online these people are talking to each other and plotting massacres as we saw last week.

[A11M11]

Thank you for underlining my point , thereby hangs the problem that you are unable to countenance.

""The interests of the country as a whole should always supersede that of a region.""

Tell that to the people that live there. In the main they are working people that struggle to keep their heads above water and sometimes their houses. They don't earn anything like the money that you do in the London area but most do pay income tax although there are some that fall below the threshold and they are worthy of consideration .

Anyway an interesting piece from the Bruges group about Merkel and May

[nut flush gooner]

Thank you for underlining my point , thereby hangs the problem that you are unable to countenance.

""The interests of the country as a whole should always supersede that of a region.""

Tell that to the people that live there. In the main they are working people that struggle to keep their heads above water and sometimes their houses. They don't earn anything like the money that you do in the London area but most do pay income tax although there are some that fall below the threshold and they are worthy of consideration .

Anyway an interesting piece from the Bruges group about Merkel and May

And this is the thing that you don't appreciate, in many countries around the world there are people in far worse predicaments than your fellow East Anglians. You have this sense of entitlement, just because other regions have fared better than East Anglia why does it have a divine right to tag along?

In this country you are given something that doesn't exist in many third world and developing countries, it's called opportunity. It really is down to how hard you are prepared to work and if you are capable of thinking outside the box.

That's why Britain is a draw to immigrants, people can see that if they come here work hard get an education that there are real opportunities to make a decent living.

Sorry, Agriculture was never meant to drive people out of poverty and people who are basing their Brexit decisions on local issues, are just narrow minded imo. Sugar Beet isn't the solution to filling the vacuum left in a post Brexit Britain, its much more things like embracing modern technology which creates real jobs and real wealth.

[A11M11]

Furthermore interesting use of words from May and Barnier . The so called package indicates that the things that we have conceeded which May is proposing is being called this side of the channel as a deal . In Brussels Barnier calls it the ""Treaty "".
To me Treaty indicates that things that we have allowed in our withdrawal package and sold to us as negotiable afterwards are in fact from the E.U's side considered the way it will be for perpertuity.
There is a long tradition of politicians telling the people only what they want them to know . Going back to Heath at the very beginning we have only ever been given certain facts with people having to" dig around " to find the quotes that come from the ill reported Brussels emporium. From Van Rompuy's """ With their backs against the wall and the abyss in front of their eyes ,with our knife at their throat , we are nearly there.
If some more time is needed after the end of March that is not a problem for the 27." to Juncker's assertion that "" When it becomes serious, you have to lie'".
The Package a deal or a Treaty ? is this another lie in the long line that we have been fed over the years.

I know you criticise me for reading things outside the mainstream media but the assertion that May's ""deal"" was in fact written in Germany and sprung on to our cabinet at Chequers with Merkel' s hand all over it seems to hold a little water and as the authors prominent politicians have not come out and denied it ???? leaves it open for conjecture.

BTW I was actually saying that our relience on growing sugar beet is a bad thing and that the farming community at least locally would much rather be growing winter and summer wheat as it is a twice a year crop which can be eaten. However the rush to rape oil and sugar beet to manufacture the much villified Bio Diesel at Brussels behest , not to mention rotting your teeth is not what they see to be important when it comes to feeding the country.

[The Arsenal Way]

Go fuck yerself nutflush. With yer abuse.
Whoever doesn't see anything from your point of view is ignorant.
I hope that you do eventually get what you vote for.
Shortsighted fool

[nut flush gooner]

Go fuck yerself nutflush. With yer abuse.
Whoever doesn't see anything from your point of view is ignorant.
I hope that you do eventually get what you vote for.
Shortsighted fool

Impossible to have a debate with you isn't it. At least the others try and put forward some element of constructive reasoning for leaving the EU.

With you its just insults, you are sir the archetypical Brexiteer in this country clueless and ignorant. Australia is a good place for you, you must fit in.

[AkneyGooner]

Thank you for underlining my point , thereby hangs the problem that you are unable to countenance.

""The interests of the country as a whole should always supersede that of a region.""

Tell that to the people that live there. In the main they are working people that struggle to keep their heads above water and sometimes their houses. They don't earn anything like the money that you do in the London area but most do pay income tax although there are some that fall below the threshold and they are worthy of consideration .

Anyway an interesting piece from the Bruges group about Merkel and May

And this is the thing that you don't appreciate, in many countries around the world there are people in far worse predicaments than your fellow East Anglians. You have this sense of entitlement, just because other regions have fared better than East Anglia why does it have a divine right to tag along?

In this country you are given something that doesn't exist in many third world and developing countries, it's called opportunity. It really is down to how hard you are prepared to work and if you are capable of thinking outside the box.

That's why Britain is a draw to immigrants, people can see that if they come here work hard get an education that there are real opportunities to make a decent living.

Sorry, Agriculture was never meant to drive people out of poverty and people who are basing their Brexit decisions on local issues, are just narrow minded imo. Sugar Beet isn't the solution to filling the vacuum left in a post Brexit Britain, its much more things like embracing modern technology which creates real jobs and real wealth.

I think the Tech jobs get moved to Asia as soon as they can packaged and automated with KPIs arround them, although I have assumed you meant computer tech softwrae and services, rather than cutting edge scientific / Medical / space exploration etc. pooring money into scientific research is always good for growth in the medium and long term.

Also the problem is retraining poeople in the mid 20's or later, its fine saying we will focus on tech and traing kids up but what about the people in the current generation of workers, this is what in the US sparked the Learn2Code outrage!

I think the biggest problem with the EU is the Euro, it seems it really only suits Germany at this point. all of the smaller European countries that are out of it fair better, it forces the smaller countries into austerity and then bankrupts them in the long run, as the central european bank comes in and strips the countries apart via shocking deals of Privatisation to French and Germany companies etc.

Show me another Euro country in great shape other than Germany.


Greece was pretty much given a payday loan by central bank.

[nut flush gooner]

Thank you for underlining my point , thereby hangs the problem that you are unable to countenance.

""The interests of the country as a whole should always supersede that of a region.""

Tell that to the people that live there. In the main they are working people that struggle to keep their heads above water and sometimes their houses. They don't earn anything like the money that you do in the London area but most do pay income tax although there are some that fall below the threshold and they are worthy of consideration .

Anyway an interesting piece from the Bruges group about Merkel and May

And this is the thing that you don't appreciate, in many countries around the world there are people in far worse predicaments than your fellow East Anglians. You have this sense of entitlement, just because other regions have fared better than East Anglia why does it have a divine right to tag along?

In this country you are given something that doesn't exist in many third world and developing countries, it's called opportunity. It really is down to how hard you are prepared to work and if you are capable of thinking outside the box.

That's why Britain is a draw to immigrants, people can see that if they come here work hard get an education that there are real opportunities to make a decent living.

Sorry, Agriculture was never meant to drive people out of poverty and people who are basing their Brexit decisions on local issues, are just narrow minded imo. Sugar Beet isn't the solution to filling the vacuum left in a post Brexit Britain, its much more things like embracing modern technology which creates real jobs and real wealth.

I think the Tech jobs get moved to Asia as soon as they can packaged and automated with KPIs arround them, although I have assumed you meant computer tech softwrae and services, rather than cutting edge scientific / Medical / space exploration etc. pooring money into scientific research is always good for growth in the medium and long term.

Also the problem is retraining poeople in the mid 20's or later, its fine saying we will focus on tech and traing kids up but what about the people in the current generation of workers, this is what in the US sparked the Learn2Code outrage!

I think the biggest problem with the EU is the Euro, it seems it really only suits Germany at this point. all of the smaller European countries that are out of it fair better, it forces the smaller countries into austerity and then bankrupts them in the long run, as the central european bank comes in and strips the countries apart via shocking deals of Privatisation to French and Germany companies etc.

Show me another Euro country in great shape other than Germany.


Greece was pretty much given a payday loan by central bank.

Your from Hackney right?

If so you live just up the road from the biggest tech hub in the UK, in Old Street. There are start up UK tech firms thriving on the verges of the city and employing hundreds if not thousands of well paid professionals.

There also is inward investment from overseas tech firms, a lot of Silicon Valley and New York based firms have historically had bases in every continent with the UK being the gateway to Europe meaning lots of well paid highly skilled jobs being created( and not only in London). Brexit will have a massive effect on inward investment not just in technology but as we have already seen with Manufacturing.

There are two UK tech firms ARM holdings and Blue Prism that are global leaders in their field. ARM designs and licenses chips for the iphone. Blue Prism are one of three leaders in the field of robotics, and are on a serious recruitment drive. For every ARM Holdings and Blue Prism there are hundreds of smaller tech firms that trade in the UK and employ UK nationals.

With regards to the Euro, I agree with you we should never even consider joining it. Although in saying that, I think as our Economy was in quite good shape prior to the referendum we may well have thrived in the same way as Germany. It's hard to really know tbh.

Not one country that lent money to Greece will do badly out of the terms of the loan, least of all Germany. That's what winds me up when people keep referring to Greece as a reason to leave the EU, when we havent paid a penny to bail them out as a member of the EU.

[Gunner Rob]

In some ways you are correct . The growing of vegetables for human consumption is something that has reduced since the c.a.p came into force . As I alluded earlier ,the area that I live in used to grow vegetables for Birds Eye at Lowestoft. peas one year, roots , carrots , parsnips the next and wheat or barley for the bread and beer after .it was called Norfolk Rotation.
Now it's mainly growing bio diesel , sugar beet and housing estates,.

The very same in Suffolk mate.
Sugar beet rules these days. Tesco and Asda stores built close to new housing estates that had one way roads built and paid for by them.
Local fruit orchards and local veggie growers have long been 'closed down' by big companies.
Lowestoft was once famous for it's smoke houses, crabs, cockles etc. As was other East Anglian ports.
East Anglian beers too.

But wankers from fuckin' Cambridge can't see further than their fuckin' stupid noses.
CANTS

I appreciate that you are a bit backward down under but just to remind you that we are now living in the 21st century and not the 19th.

There you go again, Rob, Robbie. Showing off yer stupidity and ignorance.
Selfish Cambridge self serving fool that you are.
I moved to these shores (Australia) last year. Londoner born and bred and moved to silly Suffolk when the locals wre still shitting from the trees. I know and care about the local communities that I lived amongst. East Anglia is hugely important for it's agriculture, fisheries and employment.
You, being an (almost) neast Anglian dweller, should realise the importance of the local agriculture and the farmers. Of course you do but, you probably have investments that preclude your neighbours from being more than just a supplier/worker to you and yours.

Just to add. I was home to vote LEAVE almost 2 years ago. I knew back then that it would quite probably never happen though.
Democracy my ass. Just ask the Oirish
Why don't you just decide why I voted to leave an unelected behemoth.
Fool.

1. i don't live in Cambridge and have never been near the place
2. I don't have any investments, nor do I work in finance

[Gunner Rob]

Thank you for underlining my point , thereby hangs the problem that you are unable to countenance.

""The interests of the country as a whole should always supersede that of a region.""

Tell that to the people that live there. In the main they are working people that struggle to keep their heads above water and sometimes their houses. They don't earn anything like the money that you do in the London area but most do pay income tax although there are some that fall below the threshold and they are worthy of consideration .

Anyway an interesting piece from the Bruges group about Merkel and May

stop lumping all London people together.
we don't all work in finance and earn loads of money.
in fact some parts of London have the highest levels of poverty in the UK.

Before the Arsenal match last week I popped down to outside Parliament to gauge the mood amongst people.
I am sure you would have been horrified to see that one of the most prominent banners on display said "working class people against Brexit"

[AkneyGooner]

Thank you for underlining my point , thereby hangs the problem that you are unable to countenance.

""The interests of the country as a whole should always supersede that of a region.""

Tell that to the people that live there. In the main they are working people that struggle to keep their heads above water and sometimes their houses. They don't earn anything like the money that you do in the London area but most do pay income tax although there are some that fall below the threshold and they are worthy of consideration .

Anyway an interesting piece from the Bruges group about Merkel and May

And this is the thing that you don't appreciate, in many countries around the world there are people in far worse predicaments than your fellow East Anglians. You have this sense of entitlement, just because other regions have fared better than East Anglia why does it have a divine right to tag along?

In this country you are given something that doesn't exist in many third world and developing countries, it's called opportunity. It really is down to how hard you are prepared to work and if you are capable of thinking outside the box.

That's why Britain is a draw to immigrants, people can see that if they come here work hard get an education that there are real opportunities to make a decent living.

Sorry, Agriculture was never meant to drive people out of poverty and people who are basing their Brexit decisions on local issues, are just narrow minded imo. Sugar Beet isn't the solution to filling the vacuum left in a post Brexit Britain, its much more things like embracing modern technology which creates real jobs and real wealth.

I think the Tech jobs get moved to Asia as soon as they can packaged and automated with KPIs arround them, although I have assumed you meant computer tech softwrae and services, rather than cutting edge scientific / Medical / space exploration etc. pooring money into scientific research is always good for growth in the medium and long term.

Also the problem is retraining poeople in the mid 20's or later, its fine saying we will focus on tech and traing kids up but what about the people in the current generation of workers, this is what in the US sparked the Learn2Code outrage!

I think the biggest problem with the EU is the Euro, it seems it really only suits Germany at this point. all of the smaller European countries that are out of it fair better, it forces the smaller countries into austerity and then bankrupts them in the long run, as the central european bank comes in and strips the countries apart via shocking deals of Privatisation to French and Germany companies etc.

Show me another Euro country in great shape other than Germany.


Greece was pretty much given a payday loan by central bank.

Your from Hackney right?

Correct

If so you live just up the road from the biggest tech hub in the UK, in Old Street. There are start up UK tech firms thriving on the verges of the city and employing hundreds if not thousands of well paid professionals.

Yes the startups and the ones the end up as unicorn companies I agree, its the Tech Support side and infrastructure that is getting outsourced (Azure /office 365 / AWS) etc, and Asian remote support companies.

Also UK is very big in cyber security.


There also is inward investment from overseas tech firms, a lot of Silicon Valley and New York based firms have historically had bases in every continent with the UK being the gateway to Europe meaning lots of well paid highly skilled jobs being created( and not only in London). Brexit will have a massive effect on inward investment not just in technology but as we have already seen with Manufacturing.


There are two UK tech firms ARM holdings and Blue Prism that are global leaders in their field. ARM designs and licenses chips for the iphone. Blue Prism are one of three leaders in the field of robotics, and are on a serious recruitment drive. For every ARM Holdings and Blue Prism there are hundreds of smaller tech firms that trade in the UK and employ UK nationals.

This is true again, but how many people let go from a car plant are going to get a job at ARM as they don't even make the chips, so you are looking at highend electronic / quantum / engineering and some suits

With regards to the Euro, I agree with you we should never even consider joining it. Although in saying that, I think as our Economy was in quite good shape prior to the referendum we may well have thrived in the same way as Germany. It's hard to really know tbh.

Not one country that lent money to Greece will do badly out of the terms of the loan, least of all Germany. That's what winds me up when people keep referring to Greece as a reason to leave the EU, when we havent paid a penny to bail them out as a member of the EU.


Yes the EU needs two currencies maybe the "Central Euro" France/Germany maybe Italy and Spain etc... and the "International Euro" that smaller states can agree to set rates etc on it. or Germany needs to start writing off debt to the smaller states.

Germany also needs to raise its minimum wage to something very high like the nordic states, this allows other smaller states to raise thier wages and still compete, but Germany is protective over it's car industry so it will not. they wan't to have thier cake and eat it. and that is going to lead to (is causing) mass immigration to the bigger states, the UK feels this the hardest because everyone in the smaller states second or third language is English, and our infrastructure is OLD.

This is the problem with the EU, really the big states like the idea of it, and the extra power it gives to make import/export deals and sanctions with other blocks and the US, but they will not do the things that will raise living standards in the smaller states because it is very expensive in the short term and knock a fuck ton off GDP, they will rather wait for them to go broke and accept the fallout in the long/medium term.

The fact that many of the smaller states were ex communist/soviet states so had shit economies comming in hides the fact that the EU destorys them as much as it helps them, and part of the rush to get them in the EU was a land grab in terms of getting and keeping states that may have had to turn to Russia or China for help in the long term, and making any sanctions we impose on them hit harder for thier export markets.



But all in all, none of these things are done with the UK's low or middle income wage earners in mind. that horse bolted a long time ago, and this will not change within or out of the EU. the game has been rigged for some decades.

The way i see it there is really only two "classes" now the investment class and everybody else.

So if you own a percentange of a few big corperations you will earn money, if not for 99% of people things will get worse or stay about the same.

Tax as i see it now is like middle income people paying to subsidise poor (who get demonised for it) and Rich people (via PPP and corruption but this bit is never a talking point) and servicing debt already loaned. its like socalism but a really wierd version where the middle pays for everything.

[AkneyGooner]

Also look at this, I have picked one of the leading PPP, or in my opinion big companies that benifits from corruption I have looked at a few of them and it looks the same. the turnover is still okay but they have started to shred staff levels as automation and outsourcing (outsorcing the outsource) ramps up.

Even 2008 the at peak finance meltdown they did not do this, but they are prepraing to make more profit with less jobs. that wage money will be going into robotics and AI.

3.9 billion turnover in 2018 66k staff. vs 4.1 billion and 80k staff the year before.

Year People Turnover (£ million) Pre-tax profit (£ million)
1984 2
1987 33
1991 320 25
1992 687 33
1996 3,500 112 12.3
1998 5,000 238 27.1
1999 7,000 327 36.3
2000 8,500 453 51.2
2001 13,000 691 72.1
2002 17,000 898 98.2
2003 19,000 1,081 121.2
2004 23,000 1,282 148.6
2005 24,000 1,436 177.2
2006 27,000 1,738 193.2
2007 29,000 2,073 228.7
2008 32,600 2,441 226.6
2009 34,600 2,687 258.1
2010 35,400 2,744 309.8
2011 46,500 2,930 302.9
2012 52,500 3,352 281.4
2013 65,000 3,851 215.0
2014 68,000 4,372 292.4
2015 75,000 4,674 112.1
2016 73,000 4,898 74.8
2017 80,000 4,168 (513.1)
2018 66,000 3,918 272.6

[Gunner Rob]

Also look at this, I have picked one of the leading PPP, or in my opinion big companies that benifits from corruption I have looked at a few of them and it looks the same. the turnover is still okay but they have started to shred staff levels as automation and outsourcing (outsorcing the outsource) ramps up.

Even 2008 the at peak finance meltdown they did not do this, but they are prepraing to make more profit with less jobs. that wage money will be going into robotics and AI.

3.9 billion turnover in 2018 66k staff. vs 4.1 billion and 80k staff the year before.

Year People Turnover (£ million) Pre-tax profit (£ million)
1984 2
1987 33
1991 320 25
1992 687 33
1996 3,500 112 12.3
1998 5,000 238 27.1
1999 7,000 327 36.3
2000 8,500 453 51.2
2001 13,000 691 72.1
2002 17,000 898 98.2
2003 19,000 1,081 121.2
2004 23,000 1,282 148.6
2005 24,000 1,436 177.2
2006 27,000 1,738 193.2
2007 29,000 2,073 228.7
2008 32,600 2,441 226.6
2009 34,600 2,687 258.1
2010 35,400 2,744 309.8
2011 46,500 2,930 302.9
2012 52,500 3,352 281.4
2013 65,000 3,851 215.0
2014 68,000 4,372 292.4
2015 75,000 4,674 112.1
2016 73,000 4,898 74.8
2017 80,000 4,168 (513.1)
2018 66,000 3,918 272.6

so why would you want to leave the largest trading area in the world and lose more jobs ?

[Herd]

The mess we are now in isn't because of the Brexit vote, its because of the Governments deliberate sabotaging of the result of the referendum and it's refusal to prepare for it's implementation leading to lack of confidence in all markets and chaos all round .
It was very clear what we voted for Cameron and Osbourne told us what it meant ,
Leave the Single market
Leave the Customs Union
Leave the European Union
Boris and Farage were sideshow punch and Judy acts .
From that day the Government should have prepared for this but instead they faffed around but triggered article 50 in march 2017 after seeming to come up with a plan in January that meant out of the single market and out of the customs union.
Then for reasons I still fail to understand she called a snap general election in June 17 which left her without a majority ,this has come back to haunt the Brexit process time and again as she was no longer master of her own destiny .
Since Labours position had evolved by then to that of staying in the customs union and single market for a transitional period she wasnt going to get any help there .

Whatever the Governments plans were in January they had evapourated by August when David Davis went with no papers to Brussels telling them we had no plan .
The Government then did nothing for a whole year except run the clock down ,(a recurring theme), and that year cost us dear .
In July 2018 she had been got at by the powers that be and she began to peddle the BRINO (Brexit in Name only) scenario which is nothing more than a con trick but that con trick is on the table now ! Id rether stay in than go with the BS of BRINO !

It would have been much better for the country if she had simply said that we cant do Brexit called another election and it would have died there and then as nether party wanst to go through with it but both are fearful of the Public Backlash .

The damage being done now isnt as a result Brexit its because of our Goverments willful negligence or worse !

[Gunner Rob]

The mess we are now in isn't because of the Brexit vote, its because of the Governments deliberate sabotaging of the result of the referendum and it's refusal to prepare for it's implementation leading to lack of confidence in all markets and chaos all round .
It was very clear what we voted for Cameron and Osbourne told us what it meant ,
Leave the Single market
Leave the Customs Union
Leave the European Union
Boris and Farage were sideshow punch and Judy acts .
From that day the Government should have prepared for this but instead they faffed around but triggered article 50 in march 2017 after seeming to come up with a plan in January that meant out of the single market and out of the customs union.
Then for reasons I still fail to understand she called a snap general election in June 17 which left her without a majority ,this has come back to haunt the Brexit process time and again as she was no longer master of her own destiny .
Since Labours position had evolved by then to that of staying in the customs union and single market for a transitional period she wasnt going to get any help there .

Whatever the Governments plans were in January they had evapourated by August when David Davis went with no papers to Brussels telling them we had no plan .
The Government then did nothing for a whole year except run the clock down ,(a recurring theme), and that year cost us dear .
In July 2018 she had been got at by the powers that be and she began to peddle the BRINO (Brexit in Name only) scenario which is nothing more than a con trick but that con trick is on the table now ! Id rether stay in than go with the BS of BRINO !

It would have been much better for the country if she had simply said that we cant do Brexit called another election and it would have died there and then as nether party wanst to go through with it but both are fearful of the Public Backlash .

The damage being done now isnt as a result Brexit its because of our Goverments willful negligence or worse !

bit late for that I'm afraid,

on the ballot form the question that was asked was:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union ?
There were 2 answers - remain or leave

The May deal fulfils this quite clearly so I really dont know what your problem is.
I thought that you Leavers knew exactly what you voted for.

Maybe you would like another vote to specify what type of Brexit you would prefer ?
Indeed maybe that would have been a good idea in the first place ?