CoronaVirus / Adolf Putin / The Apocalypse etc

[augie]

Rough mathmatics though Eire have had 21 deaths per square mile whereas the Uk has had 25 . Not such a big gap there . The uk is much more densly populated and a virus like this is more likely to spread in confined areas. hence the 2 metre rule.

What Hungarian site did you get that from ??!!!

With regards to social distancing, the 2m we are using is the highest in the world if you followed the WHO guidelines you will see the recommended distance is 1m. However, when you cough and sneeze respiratory droplets can go up to 9 metres depending on the conditions. For me, 2m is fine especially if you are in an air-conditioned building. It's nothing to do with population density, the PM said yesterday it was UK scientists that recommended 2m.

Tbf that 2m distancing is still being used in a number of countries including Ireland (much to everyone's frustration) Because modern society is in essence stupid/braindead we cant use different restrictions for different situations, but the restrictions for outdoor distancing should be dropped to 1m (maybe even .5m), but some people might get confused at start ignoring the 2m inside rule

On our news tuesday night they showed the distancing guidelines being used in something like 20 countries - just over half were using 2m, america are using 1.8m (assuming that is a metric to feet conversion thing), a few are 1.5m, and something like 8 countries were 1m

You also have to factor in the use of masks in Asia most people wear them, I think South Korea uses one arm's length as a guideline which seems a bit strange to me, but regardless if you are asymptomatic and wear a mask then you are preventing up to 95% of the viral load you emit from being transmitted to someone else. In the UK and US, although more people wear masks these days its still the minority.

Scientific evidence about using masks is mixed tbf, and unless it is conclusive I wont be using one

The thing about the masks is the absolute hypocrisy/stupidity/irony of many of the people using them - my missus had 2 people in our shop recently (different times), and both of them kept touching their mask with their hands during the conversation One of the women involved (also wearing gloves) had the cheek to reprimand my missus about not wearing a mask despite breaking every protocol out there about using masks and gloves I will say though that if I was using public transport I would absolutely use a mask and possibly even disposable gloves - the close proximity of people would concern me tbh

[OneBardGooner]

I am losing the will to live when I click on this thread Just when jock and tux were putting it to bed, in came nut flush and a11m11

then Augmeister!

But seriously this now HAS TO BE the most BORING thread ever in the history of G2G...No wonder DB's intake of alcohol has increased ten fold.

Whilst I think it was a good idea to have such a thread for the sharing of COVID 19 info etc, it has now turned into some kind of competition on who can write the most words without saying Feck all.

[Jock Gooner]

The only reason things are drifting off course is that you keep labelling people or articles left-wing or liberal if they want rid of Cummings. Lets just put this straight, as things stand there are people of all political persuasions including over 35 Tory MPS that want this unelected bureaucrat to go (heard that somewhere before?). There also is a consensus in the wider population that what he did broke the rules, its not even open to debate. MPs have been inundated with letters/emails from their constituents, again from all political persuasions.

The discussion about predicting pandemics is relevant, especially when the government response has been found to be poor. As far as I am concerned this came up because he was using his blog as a way of squirming out of the allegations. I don't get where you keep referring to internal memos, again did you even watch or read the transcript from the press conference? If you didn't I don't know how you can form any credible opinion.

Regardless of this, to amend his blog on the 14th of April is way too much coincidence. As I said before he knew the shit was going to hit the fan, this was part of his cover-up.

In regards to his story, and yes it is a story the one thing he cannot justify over everything else is his visual impairment driving 30 miles in the wrong direction to see if he can make it to London. If his eyesight is impaired he shouldn't get into a car period, and that's under any circumstance, not just a national lockdown.

Your last comment would be fair enough if it applied to a normal citizen, but it doesn't. It applies to the most senior civil servant in the land, who directly advises the Prime Minister on wait for it Policy matters. So if he is writing the rules, and blatantly disregarding them that is why so many people are peeved with him.

By the way, SAGE minutes are widely available across the internet to read about the scientific advice that was given to the government in the run-up to lockdown. That's how it's quite well known if you look hard enough that the lockdown directive came on the 7th of March. They said to lockdown within two weeks. Now for me, if you've been given this scientific advice you don't wait 14 days let alone 16 you act immediately.

During these 16 days, two major sporting events were allowed to take place.

And SAGE is an independent body, but Dominic Cummings in his own way has made sure he stuck his oar in when it came to their policy directives to the govt. He is a bad egg at all levels. The death rates and disastrous handling of care homes prove it.

People want DC out....not enough Tory revolt over the matter to be of any relevance yet. That could change, time will tell.

He isn't being hanged for a poor govt response ffs. He went to Durham remember - that is his alleged crime. The point about Pandemic writing is not relevant to his trip to Durham - don't you see that!! You are dragging in the seperate matter of the govt response. Irrelevant to what he is "accused" of doing. I have no intention of rewatching the presser but as I recall (I said that before - little clue!) he made no mention of where he wrote about Pandemics so you can't just turn to his blog and say that is what he was referring to unless you get him to say so which the leftie press missed out on because they were too het up with fake moral outrage and wanting him to apologise or spontaneously self combust. In a court of law you can't just assume it was his blog you have to prove it.

Oh please tell me all about the RTA 1988 and visual impairment.....I'm all eyes and ears! I'll save you bother, your generalised remark above is of course inaccurate, some would even say incorrect. To drive a car you have to be able to read a number plate from about 20m away, so as long as DC could do that then he was perfectly entitled to have a little test drive out and about. Of course it's a bit too late to prove the extent of any visual impairment now so that's just another irrelevance that a court would throw out. Next!

Oh DC is a civil servant now is he....you sure?.....and the most senior one in the land too.....you sure about that too? Maybe you wrote that a bit too hastily eh? Mark Sedwell will be pissed to hear the news though. That statement gets thrown out too.

Oh and while we are correcting your work the full scientific advice, data, recommendations etc for SAGE will not be released until after the pandemic is over. There may have been some bits and pieces released but the full story hasn't been yet. I suggest that you hold fire until it becomes apparent who made the decisions about care homes etc before you start accusing people. I like a little bit of evidence to back a statement however from your post I can see you're not so fussy about that.

So in summary, if you don't like the fact that DC acted within the guidelines and thought for himself then send him a lockdown fine!

https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/sc ... 9-response

As I said its all there if you look for it. Without these documents, the press wouldn't be stringing up the Government with regards to the care home debacle. An article about eyesight, perhaps his eye problems were a figment of his imagination? Maybe that's why he took the wrong route back to London?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52802661

All I see is a lot of hot air from your debate, I will come back to the rest of your points if relevant over the next few days.

I think you need to look a bit closer as my debate has pointed out some pretty big holes in yours. Many of your facts are wrong or made up on the hoof and it's all rather glaringly obvious.

The point at hand is whether big bad Dom did wrong by travelling to Durham and then to the castle but you insist on jumping about all over the place rather than concentrating on the allegation. The best thing for you to do is to stop digging.

Don't bother coming back to me over the next few days as I have lost all faith in your ability to construct any form of coherent argument after your last but one post which was a tad embarrassing.

Yes, I agree that the issue was whether he did wrong and it's pretty obvious he did. He could have arranged childcare from London. he didn't need to drive that distance in lockdown. He had COVID19 symptoms so he was infectious and he didn't follow his own guidelines. He had eye problems, so shouldn't have got in a car.

Apparently one of the symptoms of COVID19 is conjunctivitis, whether he could read a number plate or not was irrelevant, he would be experiencing great discomfort trying a long-distance drive. I've had conjunctivitis and wouldn't contemplate a drive that long. He wasn't fit to drive to London, the trip to Barnard Castle was NOT a direct route to London.

Sorry, Jock you can keep on defending the indefensible but the majority of people in this country aren't stupid and can see this man for what he is. A liar and a fraud. I am just watching a survey of Conservative voters on Bloomberg, 63% want him sacked, 18% say he shouldn't be. If you're gullible enough to believe what he says that really isn't my problem.

Just out of interest, when his family live in Durham, where exactly was he going to get childcare for his kid in the middle of a pandemic. Please enlighten me. These stupid statements have been thrown around willy nilly by commentators but none of them have said what he should have done, just lots of posturing on what he shouldn't have done. Were you going to oblige and look after the kid, no, me neither, it was a family duty and that is the correct route in the circumstances.

I am aware that conjunctivitus is on the WHO symptoms list. It does not preclude you from driving - stop making shit up - 20m is the law, the rest is your usual blah blah blah take on what you think is correct, consistent with most of the vitriol aimed at DC. Do a bit of research rather than just spouting off what you think is the law and I might take you seriously. Nobody ever said that the castle was a direct route to London.....look you're off on one of your tangents again! The direct route is the busy A1 which would have been a very stupid and dangerous test route to use.

The majority of people aren't stupid. I would say there is a very healthy number who are and plenty of gullible idiots whose current affairs awareness amounts to the last thing the beeb told them to think.

Too many people in the anti DC camp would happily break (and probably have) the lockdown to achieve their own personal agenda. It's much easier to go with the flow and say bad DC than to stop and think honestly about what you would have done in the same position. Me, I'd have been off to my folks if they had the set up that his did, no brainer. DC has simply made too many enemies as a result of his success behind Brexit and the big Tory majority at the last GE and therein lies the real push to get him out.

[Jock Gooner]

I am losing the will to live when I click on this thread Just when jock and tux were putting it to bed, in came nut flush and a11m11

then Augmeister!

But seriously this now HAS TO BE the most BORING thread ever in the history of G2G...No wonder DB's intake of alcohol has increased ten fold.

Whilst I think it was a good idea to have such a thread for the sharing of COVID 19 info etc, it has now turned into some kind of competition on who can write the most words without saying Feck all.

You win

[Jock Gooner]

I am losing the will to live when I click on this thread Just when jock and tux were putting it to bed, in came nut flush and a11m11

That's because we fucked up more than you lot did, and people still won't acknowledge the part certain people are playing in potentially causing more deaths because they don't lead by example. The stats show our death rate per mill is about 40% higher than yours.

Hey, give me a shout when you can put a number to that allegation. Can't wait to see that in court..........

"I put it to you Dominic Cummings that you did cause lots and lots of deaths by not leading by example."

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The most comprehensive statistic site in the world apart from John Hopkins University. I doubt you're even aware of it.

Oh you're the only one in the world aware of that site nuts, you da man.

[nut flush gooner]

Rough mathmatics though Eire have had 21 deaths per square mile whereas the Uk has had 25 . Not such a big gap there . The uk is much more densly populated and a virus like this is more likely to spread in confined areas. hence the 2 metre rule.

What Hungarian site did you get that from ??!!!

With regards to social distancing, the 2m we are using is the highest in the world if you followed the WHO guidelines you will see the recommended distance is 1m. However, when you cough and sneeze respiratory droplets can go up to 9 metres depending on the conditions. For me, 2m is fine especially if you are in an air-conditioned building. It's nothing to do with population density, the PM said yesterday it was UK scientists that recommended 2m.

Tbf that 2m distancing is still being used in a number of countries including Ireland (much to everyone's frustration) Because modern society is in essence stupid/braindead we cant use different restrictions for different situations, but the restrictions for outdoor distancing should be dropped to 1m (maybe even .5m), but some people might get confused at start ignoring the 2m inside rule

On our news tuesday night they showed the distancing guidelines being used in something like 20 countries - just over half were using 2m, america are using 1.8m (assuming that is a metric to feet conversion thing), a few are 1.5m, and something like 8 countries were 1m

You also have to factor in the use of masks in Asia most people wear them, I think South Korea uses one arm's length as a guideline which seems a bit strange to me, but regardless if you are asymptomatic and wear a mask then you are preventing up to 95% of the viral load you emit from being transmitted to someone else. In the UK and US, although more people wear masks these days its still the minority.

Scientific evidence about using masks is mixed tbf, and unless it is conclusive I wont be using one

The thing about the masks is the absolute hypocrisy/stupidity/irony of many of the people using them - my missus had 2 people in our shop recently (different times), and both of them kept touching their mask with their hands during the conversation One of the women involved (also wearing gloves) had the cheek to reprimand my missus about not wearing a mask despite breaking every protocol out there about using masks and gloves I will say though that if I was using public transport I would absolutely use a mask and possibly even disposable gloves - the close proximity of people would concern me tbh

That's the thing, no one has categorically stated that masks offer you protection if you are healthy. In the UK they have gone at pains to say a mask is only effective if you have the symptoms and you are shedding the virus, so it protects others. Well if you have the virus and you are not asymptomatic wtf are you doing out anyway.

Then masks like the N95 have different gradings depending on how much of the shit in the atmosphere they can keep away from your nostrils/mouth etc. So if something claims to keep 95% of the stuff that could do some serious harm to your wellbeing, in a supermarket or on public transport its a no brainer for me. I do agree you need to make sure you don't keep fiddling with the mask, once it's on sit on your hands.

In the last 2.5 months, I haven't been near public transport (tube/bus) or a supermarket but I did buy 10 masks, just in case I have to go to a GP surgery or hospital. The next time I get on a tube I hope its to watch Arsenal play, with vaccinations widely available. That might be a long way off yet!

It really is an individual decision IMO, until we get some direction from our governments. As you have seen from this thread, that has been lacking big time in the UK.

[A11M11]

What Hungarian site did you get that from ??!!!



It was an Irish site :- Irish central or the Irish Times can't remember.

[Jock Gooner]

RIght gents just to advise that in the interests of OBG and Augie's mental health I'm out now.

No hard feelings to anyone - we clearly disagree which is no bad thing.

Btw tux you do know I don't give a monkeys about your argie bargie with the police / road traffic offences don't you mate

[augie]

RIght gents just to advise that in the interests of OBG and Augie's mental health I'm out now.

No hard feelings to anyone - we clearly disagree which is no bad thing.

Btw tux you do know I don't give a monkeys about your argie bargie with the police / road traffic offences don't you mate

Well said - debate (in moderation ) is never a bad thing

[goonertux]

I’m good with that. Let’s all just remember it’s not a left/right, Brexit/leave thing! Everyone’s entitled to opinions (even if they are wrong ). Interesting days and weeks ahead!

[nut flush gooner]

RIght gents just to advise that in the interests of OBG and Augie's mental health I'm out now.

No hard feelings to anyone - we clearly disagree which is no bad thing.

Btw tux you do know I don't give a monkeys about your argie bargie with the police / road traffic offences don't you mate

No different to an Arsenal discussion really these days is it!

Hopefully we can all start moaning about our rubbish side in a few weeks time again.

I still haven't figured out whats happening to next season given this season will run into August. I actually miss going now, even though this season has been the worst in decades. Its as much about the pre match banter and beers for me these days though.

[rodders999]

June 17 rimming v City incoming

We're fucking back.

[falkirk goon]

June 17 rimming v City incoming

We're fucking back.

Oh don't ya know it rodders no lube or anything just a good auld fashioned podgering

[rodders999]

June 17 rimming v City incoming

We're fucking back.

Oh don't ya know it rodders no lube or anything just a good auld fashioned podgering

The biggest issue there will be with football coming back will be those victim fucks congregating outside grounds. Just you wait and see. They will turn up in their droves the lovable murdering bastards

[Perryashburtongroves]

June 17 rimming v City incoming

We're fucking back.

Oh don't ya know it rodders no lube or anything just a good auld fashioned podgering

The biggest issue there will be with football coming back will be those victim fucks congregating outside grounds. Just you wait and see. They will turn up in their droves the lovable murdering bastards

If they can't get into the grounds, I wonder how they'll manage to do their usual of robbing each other for tickets, racially abusing their own players, forging tickets, climbing in to grounds without tickets and murdering opposition supporters? I'm sure they'll find a way.