Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[mcdowell42]

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... ssion=true

[mcdowell42]

Footbal London understands that Arteta's relationship with David Luiz has soured over the past few weeks, with neither the manager or player speaking directly to each other anymore. [@ChrisWheatley_]

[SteveO 35]

Footbal London understands that Arteta's relationship with David Luiz has soured over the past few weeks, with neither the manager or player speaking directly to each other anymore. [@ChrisWheatley_]

Fucking love it if that's true

Saved Xhaka - got him the sack
Signed Luiz for a year - got him the sack

There was us hearing how everyone was loving life under the cone man. Thought it was only the previous manager who lost the dressing room

Just do a Keegan and hold your hands up and fuck off.

[Gunner Rob]

Sounds like Arteta has lost the dressing room, so he is a dead man walking.
Only a matter of time now.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Footbal London understands that Arteta's relationship with David Luiz has soured over the past few weeks, with neither the manager or player speaking directly to each other anymore. [@ChrisWheatley_]

Ooooooh, good news.

Luiz was one of the players that got one of the chavski managers sacked. Can't remember which one.

[Sean]

Well Arteta is done now. Despite winning me over with the FA Cup victory and a bright start to this season, finally hopeful that we could stop underachieving, get another Top Four Trophy and push for a title in the future, we have collapsed into utter shite again. It seems that his playing style is 'TOF Mark 2' sideways shot-shy shite and only Guardiola can win the PL with tiki-taka, after TOF's constant failures of attempting that for years, when he already had the perfect blueprint. I was pretty surprised and glad that we re-signed Aubameyang given how that dragged on, but it seems his form has disappeared and evidently we really needed him to score the goals, as we did Wrighty in the barren league seasons of the mid-90s.

After dropping 19 points during Arteta's PL tenure last season, this season his team has already dropped 14 points, which could have put us up top somewhere and that is factoring in all the depressingly obviously defeats to the big teams who are ostensibly our rivals. There are just too many draws and defeats to so-called lesser teams, but clearly this first team that Arteta is persisting with have nothing left. I'm hearing that Xhaka and Willian are ruining the midfield, which has bad knock-on effects in the rest of the team, yet they are basically undroppable. Arteta probably should be promoting the in form players from the Europa team.

So for the second season in a row, I am looking for us to reach forty points before anything else. How fucking depressing for a club of our size and history, and the prices they charge. On our current season's points average, we're on for 41 points, which would have gotten us 15th last season and that is our current position now. Allegri, Conte, Benitez or Pochettino please. Though I don't expect those cheap wankers upstairs to make a good appointment as long as Wiggy has a hole in his arse.

Anyway, I hope you're all keeping well under these circumstances.

[mcdowell42]

Piece on the dressing room crisis that Mikel Arteta faces at Arsenal.

- One senior player doesn't talk to Arteta anymore
- The influence that Ozil & Sokratis yield over the squad
- Arteta told squad he will 'destroy' whoever is behind leaks

https://t.co/EcLkKknpf3

[SteveO 35]

Piece on the dressing room crisis that Mikel Arteta faces at Arsenal.

- One senior player doesn't talk to Arteta anymore
- The influence that Ozil & Sokratis yield over the squad
- Arteta told squad he will 'destroy' whoever is behind leaks

https://t.co/EcLkKknpf3

I remember saying on here weeks ago that there's no such thing as a totally happy dressing room and the test is when you lose a few games

Well this cock has failed every test that has come his way in that regard.

When Emery fucked off Xhaka supposedly he'd lost the dressing room which I still maintain to this day was uttet bollocks. He had lost Xhaka and Friends, whilst the cone man has lost Ozil, Sokratis and friends

[subtleasaheadbutt]

Fuck i'd take big sam right now. Whats Owen Coyle up 2 these days? Christ we suck.

[augie]

Smudger has just pointed out that we should be playing our younger players and "that even if there might be some short term pain, at least we will be heading in the right direction"

Proper assessment there cos playing older c.unts that continue failing is doing no fcuking good - play the young lads and none of this bollox about being afraid to put them into a struggling team, cos right now there couldnt be any less pressure on them cos fans will be happy to see the other c.unts gone

The pressure to worry about is not the pressure from the fans - it's the pressure from the media and the young players themselves. You cannot horse in a load of young players. They will get beaten week in week out and their confidence and self belief will be destroyed and then what have we achieved?

I don't think anyone is suggesting we play kids from 1 to 11. What they're suggesting is that when you play consistently badly week in, week out (sometimes over 100 times for the club), there is a point when kids need to be introduced. Look at the players who are probably still standing out in this team - Tierney, Gabriel and Saka (ages 23, 22 and 19 respectively). Do we honestly think that giving Balogun a few games instead of Lacazette or Smith Rowe for Willian would see us destroy their confidence?

I can't think of anything more soul destroying than wondering what else you have to do in a Europa League game, and how much more shit those ahead of you can be in the PL.....and still never get a minute's action!

That is my point - we have a promising young striker whose contract is running out at the end of the season and he is refusing to negotiate cos of a lack of game time. If you are a young player and cant get a run ahead of older players who are shit week after week, what does it say about the managers opinion of you ? I will always argue that arteta's relationship with guendouzi went south the very minute that he shafted him out of the team for a guy that didnt want to be there and who had told the fans to fcuk off not long before that - the douzi was a raw 19 year old coming from the french second division but he worked his bollox off in every game and genuinely wanted to play for the club and the fans.
This c.unt does not trust young players and I said it from early in his tenure - people point out how much game time he is giving saka, but they forget that he consigned him to the bench when he took over too, and he never got one minute on the pitch in either the cup semi final or the cup final, and that he didnt even get on the pitch in 3 of our first 4 league games this season

[IW8Goalmachine]

The club won't fire him because they will look foolish by appointing him in the first place and he won't walk from his first job.

We're fu*ked

[DB10GOONER]

If the stories are true (and it is an "IF" because there is no proof whatsoever) of him falling out with Dozer over his row at the end of whatever match it was, and Ozil over his refusal (rightly) to take a pay cut without some guarantees, and now Sideshow Chav for whatever reason, then it would say everything about Arteta as a manager. He takes a huff if a player crosses his idea of the status quo?

For all the Ozil and Dozer haters on here there is not one of you that can honestly and sanely say that both Ozil and Dozer replacing Xhakatard and Elnumpty or Hleballos/Pillock/Maitland-Bendtner would not improve that midfield by a factor of about 10million.

But then in fairness adding Robbie fucking Savage to that midfield would improve it.

[Wengerballs]

Perversely loving this and Joshies awkward reports to daddy Kronkie:

"Daddy my LA Rams Sean McVay experiment hasnt worked with Arsenal and Arteta has turned out to be shite....what should I do now?"

[augie]

Allegri to Dortmund rumours gathering pace

That is the ONLY THING that might provoke a response from our board re getting shot of arteta - there is a sparsity of good managers out there right now, and having been stung by holding on to wenger too long and losing out on pep and klopp as a result, I think that they will be very hesitant to sit back and watch another quality manager join another club through their inaction

[augie]

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... ssion=true

I suggested yesterday that this could be a systematic plan by arteta to get rid of emery players, and below is a piece taken from the above article

"Many have questioned why £28m man William Saliba hasn't been used in the first team this season and when speaking to a source inside the club, football.london was told that the Frenchman "was an Emery signing", in reference to Arteta's predecessor.

That certainly rings true when you assess the players who have been exiled or sent out on loan. From Ozil and Sokratis' exile, to Lucas Torreira and Matteo Guendouzi being sent out on loan"