Alexander Hleb's defining moment as an Arsenal player?

NBM · Post by **NBM** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:56 am

Defining moment for me was his late goal home to Fulham last season that arguably gave us the decent start we needed, can't remember too many other Hleb goals though! Home to Porto.......

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:01 am

Magic Hat

Dont ever go near comparig Helb with Cesc.How many times did Helb dribble himself into corners.Yes he looked good dribbling past 3 or 4 players but where was the end product.10 assists in 3 seasons is patheticNo one can defend that.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:08 am

I'm I right in saying that Helb and Henry didn't get on. (On the pitch)

We all now how the departure of Henry was the making of some of our players which included Helb.
It could be interesting this year as Henry will put him back in his place and into his shell!

Magic Hat · Post by **Magic Hat** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:48 am

donaldo wrote:Magic Hat

Dont ever go near comparig Helb with Cesc.How many times did Helb dribble himself into corners.Yes he looked good dribbling past 3 or 4 players but where was the end product.10 assists in 3 seasons is patheticNo one can defend that.

right ok

so the Man U 60 yard ball shouldn't be given any credit whatsoever? Or Hleb's performance at Old Trafford should be knocked from wonderful to poor as Ade didn't score with any of the chances? Just examples

Or the statistical machine that put Hleb as 10th best player in the league two years ago

Post by **flash gunner** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:01 pm

Magic Hat wrote:
donaldo wrote:Magic Hat

Dont ever go near comparig Helb with Cesc.How many times did Helb dribble himself into corners.Yes he looked good dribbling past 3 or 4 players but where was the end product.10 assists in 3 seasons is patheticNo one can defend that.
right ok

so the Man U 60 yard ball shouldn't be given any credit whatsoever? Or Hleb's performance at Old Trafford should be knocked from wonderful to poor as Ade didn't score with any of the chances? Just examples

Or the statistical machine that put Hleb as 10th best player in the league two years ago

Maybe im misunderstanding it, are you giving him credit for 1 pass in 1 match? or 1 performance in a game?? In 3 seasons he has 1 outstanding pass/performance and we are supposed to give him credit?

Fabby is a Foot (Leg-end) · Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:10 pm

I think a few people are missing the point. It is not disagreed that Hleb is a fantastic player who played a key role is some important games. However for me they were too few and far between. On too many occasions he typified what has been wrong with aresenal (particularly 2006/07 season) that is a fear to shoot, the need to run the ball into the net. Hleb was not aggressive enough (and I don't mean hitting Reading players) - he had a fantastic ability to split the defense with a pass but for each great pass there was 10 or 12 wasted or negative balls, for every run through the defense to create an opening there was 20 pointless runs which waste the ball, for every goal there was 100s of wastes shots or square balls when a shot was needed.

For me the bottom line is whilst a great player he did not contribute enough often enough for me. Lets hope Nasri will be different.

Galasso · Post by **Galasso** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:27 pm

flash gunner wrote:
Magic Hat wrote:
donaldo wrote:Magic Hat

Dont ever go near comparig Helb with Cesc.How many times did Helb dribble himself into corners.Yes he looked good dribbling past 3 or 4 players but where was the end product.10 assists in 3 seasons is patheticNo one can defend that.
right ok

so the Man U 60 yard ball shouldn't be given any credit whatsoever? Or Hleb's performance at Old Trafford should be knocked from wonderful to poor as Ade didn't score with any of the chances? Just examples

Or the statistical machine that put Hleb as 10th best player in the league two years ago
Maybe im misunderstanding it, are you giving him credit for 1 pass in 1 match? or 1 performance in a game?? In 3 seasons he has 1 outstanding pass/performance and we are supposed to give him credit?

You know that's not what he's saying flash, come on.

Let's put it this way. if Arsenal wastes so many chances during a season as people seem to think, then it can be assumed that a good deal of those chances are created by Hleb. And if we score from corners or free kicks - which we did this season, then that skews against Hleb too.

Also Hleb's ability to keep hold of the ball and the flow of our moves (which led to chances and goals) particularly last season, was key in geting to where we got before we ran out of steam.

I know Hleb's faults as I know the rest of the teams' faults. He had a good one especially last season and was important to the team play.

Magic Hat · Post by **Magic Hat** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:43 pm

flash gunner wrote:
Maybe im misunderstanding it, are you giving him credit for 1 pass in 1 match? or 1 performance in a game?? In 3 seasons he has 1 outstanding pass/performance and we are supposed to give him credit?

I was using examples to show that the stats don't always reflect the story. I didn't fancy going through every game of his Arsenal career so just used examples.

Honestly, seems a bizarre twist of logic that due to showing just two examples, I only think he did that during his entire Arsenal career

gunnerbrad · Post by **gunnerbrad** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:03 pm

i agree Fabregas_is_my_Hero , I dont think Hleb is as big loss as people are making out. Hleb out Nasri in -500k i think that is a good deal and Nasri has the potential to be much much better than Hleb. I cant see Hleb playing well in Barca and i hope he fails for what he has done to us.