Bournemouth A Sat 19th Oct KO 1730

[Topside Northbank]

Not hindsight but I thought MA team selection was poor.

On a small tight pitch, long grass the need to move the ball quickly especially in tight spaces, paramount.

With Odegaard and Saka missing both capable of making chances in tight situations not starting Nwaneri a mistake, Rice, Partey, Merino CM really defensive and no need for it.

[Step]

One dimensional bollocks again delivered by Mikel. No point in whinging about the sending off if it had been the other way round we would have been demanding a red. Fact is we weren't really in the game even when we had 11 on the pitch. No pace in the team and as said before no creativity in the midfield. We got what we deserved . Mikel remains clueless. Even with 10 we should have been able to beat this lt. Citeh would have. We have a bit more mettle this year (although sadly absent yesterday) but really we have not made much progress and the absence of a proper striker is key. Wake up Mikel and smell the coffee.

[Midz]

The first half was bollocks
the 2nd half was bollocks
the sending off was bollocks
the penalty was bollocks
our creativity was bollocks

all in all it was a load of ....you guessed it, bollocks.

[rodders999]

The first half was bollocks
the 2nd half was bollocks
the sending off was bollocks
the penalty was bollocks
our creativity was bollocks

all in all it was a load of ....you guessed it, bollocks.

Yeah woke up at 3am and never went back to sleep. Fucked today now. About a minute or 2 in the ball went back to Raya and he fucked around with it attracting pressure and the bad vibes flowed around my bloodstream and never left.

He was jittery all game and those in front of him weren’t much better. I was already worried to see us starting without Saka, Odegaard and Martinelli (although he’s doing my fucking head in ) and our start coupled with the sending off just made it a pure evening of shit.

We’ve been excellent on the road for so long now - first away defeat since last December - but that was ugly last night. One defeat, especially this early in the season, shouldn’t feel as fatal as it does but the way city destroy most opposition most weeks it does.

They have wolves today and Southampton next weekend - 6 points and a shit load of goals coming their way from that. Forget about us for a minute, them going unbeaten is my biggest concern at the moment.

[augie]

Trossard played the ball back , had it been a forward pass he would have been offside .
I must say that I was shouting offside too until I realised it was Trossard that kicked it last.

What was the Martinelli goal against Everton ruled offside for last season? The Everton player played it back but didn’t they say he didn’t mean it or some shit as a means of disallowing it?

They made up a rule that day that has never existed before or been applied since. A bit like when the Burnley player handballed it twice in the box in ten seconds of each other a few years back or how pushing someone with two hands in the back at Newcastle last year was fine when it isn against us or how kicking the ball away only applies to us.

Absolutely 100% untrue - I spoke with a referee at the time over here that has officiated in uefa games and he is also a Gooner, and he confirmed that the rule in question does exist. Lets be honest though and admit that it is a totally ridiculous rule that undermines all the other rule changes fifa brought in - if a defender tries to clear a ball and but hits it off an attacker who has his back to him and the ball falls to a forward who is offside and scores the goal will be disallowed even though there was no intent from the attacker to play the ball forward, but reverse that incident and seemingly there has to be intent from the defender to play it backwards so how the fcuk is that ??? Its like the rule where the ball accidently strikes the attackers hand in the opposition penalty area and falls to his team-mate who sticks the ball in the net and the goal will count - however if it accidently strikes attackers hand and he himself sticks it into the net the goal will be disallowed Who dreamt up that bu!!shit rule ???

[rodders999]

Augie those rule making c.unts have to justify their existence some way which is why they keep tinkering with the laws.

That Martinelli goal getting ruled out last season was an absolute joke. They’re fucking morons.

[General]

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I don’t think Webb was interfering in the decision making but as some have said, the optics don’t look good and it’s frankly irritating to see the shinny tit in the limelight all the time. It’s debatable whether it was a red card offence but I guess this was a PGMOL gift for Bournemouth after their winning goal was harshly disallowed by VAR earlier in the season,

As far as the incident is concerned, there was absolutely no need for Saliba to pull back the Bournemouth player and I’ve seen Rice do the same thing and get away with it. I recall when Haaland was put through for City’s first goal against us a few weeks ago, my first reaction was not to foul him and get sent off because there was plenty of football left to play. We settled down and turned the tide and the same approach should’ve been adopted yesterday.

Personally, I think we have a disciplinary issue. This team is clearly tuned to explore the limits of the rules judging by our corner routines when we block the opposition keeper, the needless shirt pulling which a few players have been guilty of, the time wasting tactics, tactical fouls etc. Whatever tactical briefing they’ve been given is having a negative residual effect because it’s given players carte blanche to take matters into their own hands. Arteta has to approach the issue head on and address it once and for all. We saw this under Wenger and the latter part of George Graham’s rein.

That’s 3red cards and a plethora of yellow cards in 8games so the stats are pretty damning. I saw a stat that said Bournemouth have covered more ground than any other team in the league so physically it was an impossible task once we went down to 10men.

Re- Trossard, he has come under the spotlight lately for the wrong reasons and I fear he is too careless and erratic in possession to be a regular starter despite having a better end product than Martinelli. Hopefully we can get back Timber and Odegaard for Liverpool. Defensively, we don’t look as secure this season and the backline looks unsettled. Creativity from midfield is in short supply too.

[Linighans there!!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/vi ... vpwkp8zpjo

I don’t think Webb was interfering in the decision making but as some have said, the optics don’t look good and it’s frankly irritating to see the shinny tit in the limelight all the time. It’s debatable whether it was a red card offence but I guess this was a PGMOL gift for Bournemouth after their winning goal was harshly disallowed by VAR earlier in the season,

As far as the incident is concerned, there was absolutely no need for Saliba to pull back the Bournemouth player and I’ve seen Rice do the same thing and get away with it. I recall when Haaland was put through for City’s first goal against us a few weeks ago, my first reaction was not to foul him and get sent off because there was plenty of football left to play. We settled down and turned the tide and the same approach should’ve been adopted yesterday.

Personally, I think we have a disciplinary issue. This team is clearly tuned to explore the limits of the rules judging by our corner routines when we block the opposition keeper, the needless shirt pulling which a few players have been guilty of, the time wasting tactics, tactical fouls etc. Whatever tactical briefing they’ve been given is having a negative residual effect because it’s given players carte blanche to take matters into their own hands. Arteta has to approach the issue head on and address it once and for all. We saw this under Wenger and the latter part of George Graham’s rein.

That’s 3red cards and a plethora of yellow cards in 8games so the stats are pretty damning. I saw a stat that said Bournemouth have covered more ground than any other team in the league so physically it was an impossible task once we went down to 10men.

Re- Trossard, he has come under the spotlight lately for the wrong reasons and I fear he is too careless and erratic in possession to be a regular starter despite having a better end product than Martinelli. Hopefully we can get back Timber and Odegaard for Liverpool. Defensively, we don’t look as secure this season and the backline looks unsettled. Creativity from midfield is in short supply too.

Nope, you're completely incorrect. Not a disciplinary issue at all, seen a foul on the halfway line plenty of times in the VAR eara and remained a yellow, seen plenty of delaying restarts NOT punished....saw a stat that since arteta took over arsenal have had 18 reds, the next closest is 7. So that's categorically proof of an agenda

[OneBardGooner]

After yesterdays debacle I have (again) been accused by friends (who support other teams) and some family members; even by some on here of being paranoid and making wild excuses for decisions made by officials (both on the pitch & Var) against Arsenal etc when I bring up the subject of there being Corruption (at all levels) of the PGMOL, The Prem and ALL their employees.

I'm sure most peeps on here know about Occam's razor (*) Every time a Ref makes a game changing decision against Arsenal and there have been several now over the past 3 seasons; decisions that have been backed by VAR , Webb and the PGMOL will come up with all manner of 'Reasons' as to why a decision was made, often for said reasons to be a subjective interpretation of one of the Rules, only for such a subjective interpretation to never be made again.

Then of course there is the usual lame attempts at an 'Apology' after the fact when we have lost Valuable points.

Time and time again Arsenal have been the Team/Club to be negatively affected by these decisions made due to momentary subjective interpretations of a rule made on the spot by the PGMOL.

So these Decisions by PGMOL employees (including Webb) are always defended by a variety of excuses. And yet the simplest and most overriding factor in all these incidents points to one of two certainties. Either the PGMOL and All its Employees are 100% Grossly Incompetent OR there is "Corruption" at the highest levels down through their ranks.

I've said it time and time again (yes I knowwww sorry.. ) But until the PGMOL can be held up to be Legally accountable for their actions and procedures this Corruption will just continue.

It is destroying both my love for the game, so much so that I just think why bother? What's the fucking point when we all know that no matter how well we play or how much we try, by hook or by crook there is only going to be One Outcome and that is One Team will win the title year in year out, because they are part of the Corruption.

Yes we played shyte yesterday, but that does Not explain away the subjective interpretation made yesterday of a rule... Or the one when Declan Rice got Red Carded.

I read this morning in various publications & forums online that Webb has said it was 'A pure coincidence that he happened to be listening to the VAR Communications whilst texting a friend when the Saliba incident was being looked at by VAR" ... Yeah! Riiiight ! If only his telephone records & conversations from that time period and the VAR Communications could be made public before being Doctored or Redacted.

Call it what you like... by any other name it (for me) is "Corruption" plain and simple.



(*) Essentially, when faced with numerous and / or competing explanations for the same repeating occurrence / outcome, the simplest answer / reason is most likely the correct one.

[Perryashburtongroves]

After yesterdays debacle I have (again) been accused by friends (who support other teams) and some family members; even by some on here of being paranoid and making wild excuses for decisions made by officials (both on the pitch & Var) against Arsenal etc when I bring up the subject of there being Corruption (at all levels) of the PGMOL, The Prem and ALL their employees.

I'm sure most peeps on here know about Occam's razor (*) Every time a Ref makes a game changing decision against Arsenal and there have been several now over the past 3 seasons; decisions that have been backed by VAR , Webb and the PGMOL will come up with all manner of 'Reasons' as to why a decision was made, often for said reasons to be a subjective interpretation of one of the Rules, only for such a subjective interpretation to never be made again.

Then of course there is the usual lame attempts at an 'Apology' after the fact when we have lost Valuable points.

Time and time again Arsenal have been the Team/Club to be negatively affected by these decisions made due to momentary subjective interpretations of a rule made on the spot by the PGMOL.

So these Decisions by PGMOL employees (including Webb) are always defended by a variety of excuses. And yet the simplest and most overriding factor in all these incidents points to one of two certainties. Either the PGMOL and All its Employees are 100% Grossly Incompetent OR there is "Corruption" at the highest levels down through their ranks.

I've said it time and time again (yes I knowwww sorry.. ) But until the PGMOL can be held up to be Legally accountable for their actions and procedures this Corruption will just continue.

It is destroying both my love for the game, so much so that I just think why bother? What's the fucking point when we all know that no matter how well we play or how much we try, by hook or by crook there is only going to be One Outcome and that is One Team will win the title year in year out, because they are part of the Corruption.

Yes we played shyte yesterday, but that does Not explain away the subjective interpretation made yesterday of a rule... Or the one when Declan Rice got Red Carded.

I read this morning in various publications & forums online that Webb has said it was 'A pure coincidence that he happened to be listening to the VAR Communications whilst texting a friend when the Saliba incident was being looked at by VAR" ... Yeah! Riiiight ! If only his telephone records & conversations from that time period and the VAR Communications could be made public before being Doctored or Redacted.

Call it what you like... by any other name it (for me) is "Corruption" plain and simple.



(*) Essentially, when faced with numerous and / or competing explanations for the same repeating occurrence / outcome, the simplest answer / reason is most likely the correct one.

The very fact he has the ability to listen to game-influencing information and 'text a friend' is a massive issue that wouldn't be allowed in any other sport. He has the opportunity to pass on information to 'friends' - most likely gambling syndicates- that can earn them and him a fortune because nobody else other than the official's are aware of what's happening. That microsecond can make people a fucking fortune. Why is nobody in the media questioning this? Why is nobody asking for why he is allowed to listen to conversations he is not a part of? If he wants to do that, he should have absolutely no means of communicating. No phone, nothing. If you did this in cricket or tennis, you'd be facing a ban and immediate investigation for match-fixing. Since fucking when has this him sitting there listening ever been a thing? Why hasn't it been disclosed to the public? If something isn't being made transparent then it means it's fucking dodgy. He's been caught out and now they're hoping that it blows over or they put enough pressure on their media mates to shut it down.

Also, let's not try to pretend that the cûnt isn't talking or communicating with the VAR people. He's either disclosing sensitive information to unauthorised people out fucking loud in a stand at a football match or he's lying. My money is on him lying because he's a shifty, cheating, corrupt cûnt. That's my opinion of him and the whole issue. He's in league with gambling syndicates and state sponsored corruption.

[scotgooner]

Sitting with my new gorgeous blue third top on with a cold beer waiting to watch the boys steamroll Bournemouth in the gorgeous blue top!

Been dropping hints to her indoors about how much I’d fancy that shirt but as of yet nowt.

After that shit yesterday better without it mate!

[scotgooner]

Assuming Dec will be playing further forward otherwise that’s a very defensive team!

Our squad really is paper thin... Outside the 13 players that are worth anything (not including the 2 youngsters) the rest are simply not good enough.

Noticed that yesterday looking at the bench mate , yes a few injury’s but still thin as fuck , we seem to be spending plenty doh these days but the squad constantly looks thin , frustrating.

[Ernie71]

Deluded fans blaming the ref and Var for the defeat. The reason we lost was bad team selection by the manager and the players not turning up. If the score has been 4-0 we couldn't have complained. We were fucking awful from the 1st minute till the last

[General]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/vi ... vpwkp8zpjo

I don’t think Webb was interfering in the decision making but as some have said, the optics don’t look good and it’s frankly irritating to see the shinny tit in the limelight all the time. It’s debatable whether it was a red card offence but I guess this was a PGMOL gift for Bournemouth after their winning goal was harshly disallowed by VAR earlier in the season,

As far as the incident is concerned, there was absolutely no need for Saliba to pull back the Bournemouth player and I’ve seen Rice do the same thing and get away with it. I recall when Haaland was put through for City’s first goal against us a few weeks ago, my first reaction was not to foul him and get sent off because there was plenty of football left to play. We settled down and turned the tide and the same approach should’ve been adopted yesterday.

Personally, I think we have a disciplinary issue. This team is clearly tuned to explore the limits of the rules judging by our corner routines when we block the opposition keeper, the needless shirt pulling which a few players have been guilty of, the time wasting tactics, tactical fouls etc. Whatever tactical briefing they’ve been given is having a negative residual effect because it’s given players carte blanche to take matters into their own hands. Arteta has to approach the issue head on and address it once and for all. We saw this under Wenger and the latter part of George Graham’s rein.

That’s 3red cards and a plethora of yellow cards in 8games so the stats are pretty damning. I saw a stat that said Bournemouth have covered more ground than any other team in the league so physically it was an impossible task once we went down to 10men.

Re- Trossard, he has come under the spotlight lately for the wrong reasons and I fear he is too careless and erratic in possession to be a regular starter despite having a better end product than Martinelli. Hopefully we can get back Timber and Odegaard for Liverpool. Defensively, we don’t look as secure this season and the backline looks unsettled. Creativity from midfield is in short supply too.

Nope, you're completely incorrect. Not a disciplinary issue at all, seen a foul on the halfway line plenty of times in the VAR eara and remained a yellow, seen plenty of delaying restarts NOT punished....saw a stat that since arteta took over arsenal have had 18 reds, the next closest is 7. So that's categorically proof of an agenda

There is no doubt an element of inconsistency some of the decisons that have gone against us but they involved avoidable incidents and the club needs to take some accountability. With 30mins played against a pretty average side, you are surely not arguing that Saliba was warranted in hauling down the Bournemouth player. He keeps his nose clean and the referee would've had no decision to make.

[augie]

Assuming Dec will be playing further forward otherwise that’s a very defensive team!

Our squad really is paper thin... Outside the 13 players that are worth anything (not including the 2 youngsters) the rest are simply not good enough.

Noticed that yesterday looking at the bench mate , yes a few injury’s but still thin as fuck , we seem to be spending plenty doh these days but the squad constantly looks thin , frustrating.

The cone boy has spent almost £800m since taking the job, and it is a disgrace that we have fcuk all depth after all that money and all this time has passed - yes we are missing saka and odeargod, but every other attacking option is available and yet we looked aimless. Timber's absence yesterday highlighted just how big the drop off is between him and white, and the drop off in the centre back position when either of first choice are missing is absolutely fcuking scary