ALL Transfer talk - merged thread

[DB10GOONER]

If something has a 51% chance of being true, then on the balance of probability, it is true. You can't even tell the difference between cogent evidence and a simple argument so take heed to your own advice and never try a career in law.
Henry gave us his best years and is one of the greatest players the PL has ever seen. He single handedly carried the club through the lean years and is undoubtedly a legend here You must live in some altenative reality if you think otheriwse. If you do great 95% of the time and fail 5%, negative people would only remember the 5%.
I've said time and time again that some of of you are hellbent on being negative because you are miserable and Arsenal is a easy lightning rod for you. You can't erase the impression that you get thrills from watching the team/Arteta fail which begs the question why you even bother watching. This club is a much better shape than the one the old fraud left behind and as I said, our reputation as a selling club hasn't been true since he left. Again if you believe otheriwse, that's your problem.

yeah you wont find me working in law, by choice......an industry that doesnt appeal on any level. I'll duck into the bookies on the way home today to place my bets for the weekend.......wait till you hear my complaints the the laws of probability didnt work in my favor.

Henry was a fantastic player for us, theres no argument there. We won an awful lot of games solely based on the fact that he was playing. But is he a legend, i certainly dont think so for the reasons ive mentioned. And i know im not the only one on here to think like that. His legacy is tainted which means all of achievements cant be mentioned without the fact that theres significant negatives to be mentioned also. Its possible if he finished up at Arsenal it would have happened but obviously we'll never know.

And i bother watching because its what ive done since roughly 1979 or thereabouts, nobody wants Arsenal FC to succeed in the trophy stakes more than i do. And to see the way the club is managed is a hard thing to do given how much im emotionally invested in the club. Since we're on the theme of Law...you wouldnt hand over one of the largest law firms in the country to someone looking for an internship would you, thats exactly what we've done with Arteta.....and it shows! And thats not to say he hasnt got some calls right because he has...eh...mustafi, maitland niles and pepe are the names that come to mind that were obvious candidates that were shipped out.

But we're still a selling club, we're just not selling as much due to the quality of players being consistently driven downwards.

I dont know the number here but how much do you reckon we got back for this lot in the last 4-5 years

Wellbeck
Ramsey
Monreal
Lichectsteiner?
Asano
Ospina
Jenkinson
Koscielny
Bielik
Iwobi
Macey
Sokritis
Ozil
MArtinez
Willock
Chambers
and Auba

Edit....adding MAri, Soares, Runnarson and Ramsdale.

Theres 17 players..there could be more that as far as i can remember all went on a free of for pittance since Wonga left, Emery and Arteta have not changed the fact that we have absolute bog standard players on high salaries leaving the club for very little or any money at all.

Come back in another 5 years and you can add the majority of todays squad to that list.

When you go the bookies, be sure to check the odds before parting with your money. Out of interest - How do you think those odds are generated? From thin air or probability perhaps?

The rest of your post again is once again the usual negative revisionist babble that has become commonplace here. I'm convinced some of you watch us hoping we lose and evidently prepare your negative posts in anctipitation of the result. How sad.

I'm still struggling to understand why you're clinging on to the perception that we are a selling club when this hasn't been true since Wenger left. A selling club is one that can't keep hold of its best players and is forced to sell for various reasons.
Half of the players you've listed were not even signed by Arteta and were sold mostly because they failed to make the cut. Surely as a fan who admittedly wants to see the club succeed, you will be supportive of the club not persevering with mediocrity and moving players on promptly? Iwobi, Willock and Martinez were home grown players and sold on for significant profit. I would've liked to have kept Martinez and a few others but overall, there was strong justification for moving these players on. We are not the loss-making selling club that you've convinced yourself we are, accounting for depreciation.
Arteta is not the only young manager to have been handed the reins of a major club. This is a growing trend in world football and he is doing better than most of them.

The bit in red is a WUM comment and was typical of the stuff the AKB Wenger cultists used to post when their straw man arguments based on silly stats won no arguments. Do us all a favour and give that stuff a rest. You are no more a loyal supporter than anyone else on here. You can put your point across without resulting to insulting other posters.

Every now and then you stick your head above the parapet and take some authoritative moral high ground. Of course you will dismiss people as WUMs and AKB cultists whilst lecturing them about insulting other posters

The parapet....

Bloody parapets, always getting in the way of my moral high ground!

Wow. How fragile is your ego?

And yet there is nothing in my post that you can point to that is not true.

[Midz]

Is this a good time to say I like cake?

[SteveO 35]

So in the same window where Man City have signed 3 players, we've um...you know...

[General]

What I am saying is that we are no longer a selling club because (1) We’ve built a competitive team (2) We pay top wages.
In recent years, we’ve only sold players because they are surplus to requirements.
If a club wants to poach one of our prized assets which can happen to any club in world football, they will need to pay a premium price. See Julian Alvarez’s transfer from City to Atletico as an example.

Yes, I know what you’re saying, but I’m saying we haven’t had players poached by top clubs for the last few years because we’ve had no one worth poaching. That’s very likely to change soon I’m afraid. Of course, the best way to try to keep players is to properly compete for and win the big prizes. Another fruitless season is likely to see at least Saliba head to pastures new.

As for Alvarez, do you honestly think that Atletico poached him away against the wishes of City? From memory, he was keen to move because he was never going to be guaranteed a starting place with Haaland scoring for fun and City didn’t stand in his way. They did, as you say, get a lot of money for him, but it was hardly as though they lost a guy they were desperate to keep.

You know full well to poach a player you need the player, his agent, contracts, the poaching club etc to align. The Premier League's sustainability Rules have also made things harder. Even targetting mid table clubs is difficult as we are finding out with Cunha, unless once again the buying club is willing to pay a premium price.

So to say we haven't had players poached because we've had no one worth poaching is inaccurate. We have plenty but they've been ringfenced financially. Saka, Saliba, Odegaard, Nwaneri all committed to long term deals when they could've gone elsewhere and Lewis Skelly is about to do the same. We are far away from the conditions needed for predatory clubs to target us and that's unlikely to change anytime soon unless someone is willing to pay silly money. We are no longer the stepping stone club that Wenger perpetuated for many years because he was tight with money.

As for City, they certaintly did not want to lose Alvarez, but the money was too good to turn down and the player had his his head turned. They didn't even want to lose over the hill Kyle Walker, but if the money is right and a player expresses a desire to leave, the parent club is mostly powerless as we found out in the past with Anelka, Petit, Overmars etc.
Recently Chido Obi Martin, a talented striker from our academy was poached by United because they offered him more money and better development potential and the same thing is happening with Ayden Heaven with Chelsea. Trent Alexander Arnold and Salah look like they are on their way out of Liverpool and it's not because ambition. Money is always the primary motivation for players and everything else comes after.

[augie]

How many of those Havertz chances yesterday would wrighty or henry have scored ? How many would osimhen or gykores have scored ? I wont even aim that high - how many of the chances would jhon duran or watkins or joao pedro or raul jimenez or mbeuno or delap have buried ?? The fact that we are still plodding around with the german dud is a disgrace

[OneBardGooner]

Does anyone know if Midz likes cake?

[General]

How many of those Havertz chances yesterday would wrighty or henry have scored ? How many would osimhen or gykores have scored ? I wont even aim that high - how many of the chances would jhon duran or watkins or joao pedro or raul jimenez or mbeuno or delap have buried ?? The fact that we are still plodding around with the german dud is a disgrace

To be fair he looks spent and could do with a break

[falkirk goon]

How many of those Havertz chances yesterday would wrighty or henry have scored ? How many would osimhen or gykores have scored ? I wont even aim that high - how many of the chances would jhon duran or watkins or joao pedro or raul jimenez or mbeuno or delap have buried ?? The fact that we are still plodding around with the german dud is a disgrace

To be fair he looks spent and could do with a break

It's ok he will get a wee break in the sunshine after the probable Newcastle exit..No games between 5th and 15th Feb as we have no 4th round tie in the cup..the result of losing to the worst manure side i can remember..

[Nick Nack]

How many of those Havertz chances yesterday would wrighty or henry have scored ? How many would osimhen or gykores have scored ? I wont even aim that high - how many of the chances would jhon duran or watkins or joao pedro or raul jimenez or mbeuno or delap have buried ?? The fact that we are still plodding around with the german dud is a disgrace

To be fair he looks spent and could do with a break

Is his missus pregnant :

[Nick Nack]

Does anyone know if Midz likes cake?

Only Jaffas

[xgtdec]

How many of those Havertz chances yesterday would wrighty or henry have scored ? How many would osimhen or gykores have scored ? I wont even aim that high - how many of the chances would jhon duran or watkins or joao pedro or raul jimenez or mbeuno or delap have buried ?? The fact that we are still plodding around with the german dud is a disgrace

To be fair he looks spent and could do with a break

Is his missus pregnant :

He does look spent in fairness to him, and the pressure wouldn’t be pleasant that’s for sure. But…..if you’ve no issue trousering the guts of 300k a week then get the fuck on with it.

[SteveO 35]

How many of those Havertz chances yesterday would wrighty or henry have scored ? How many would osimhen or gykores have scored ? I wont even aim that high - how many of the chances would jhon duran or watkins or joao pedro or raul jimenez or mbeuno or delap have buried ?? The fact that we are still plodding around with the german dud is a disgrace

To be fair he looks spent and could do with a break

It's ok he will get a wee break in the sunshine after the probable Newcastle exit..No games between 5th and 15th Feb as we have no 4th round tie in the cup..the result of losing to the worst manure side i can remember..

But just think how proud you'll feel when that sunshine break guides us to another 2nd placed finish and QF Champions League exit to Bayern. A little decent run of form once the title's gone and a decent start to next season and the defence of the Calendar Year Trophy is on too! Give those lads their sunshine break

[DB10GOONER]

Is this a good time to say I like cake?

Midz, one thing I love about you mate, you always put a smile on my face.

[augie]

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/sports/other/ ... 5e34&ei=43

[Perryashburtongroves]

Why don't we just save the whole last minute frenzy and get Rashford in now? No point pretending the inevitable isn't going to happen.