Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[nut flush gooner]

Yes good post nutty and players are clearly behind him, but what do you feel about the lack of striker and not just this season and certain areas lacking depth like the wings...as well as overplaying the first teamers (which even le grove and arseblog bang on about) surely you see why some want him gone given those blind spots?

And im saying this not from a rabid or even strong arteta out mindset as my posting on here evidences, I'm sceptical and getting tired of what I fear is history repeating re the blind spots and league slump but see the positives he brought to.

The frustration I have is had we signed a proper strike instead of havertz we would probably have 1 if not 2 titles come the end of this season and I cannot understand why it's not been addressed, just as it was with AW always a couple of players away from being top top level (and in respect of AW I mean in Europe and at various stages of his post invincible rebuild)

Mate I blame the board for that. I suspect that a casualty of us not getting a striker has been Edu. It's only a hunch but I have a feeling in years to come we will find out that his position became untenable when non footballing directors where dictating who we could sign, mainly due to the finances. There's a twitter handle I follow called Magic Hat, he eloquently explains the rationale behind this theory.

I am up for signing Gyokores, I was last summer tbh and gave the transfer window a 7 out of 10, in hindsight that should have been reduced to a 6. Merino is the only player that has really shone.

The fact Bertha likes Gyokores, is a plus for me. We have already made £100m from this CL run and have no PSR issues going forward. We could easily drop £250m this summer even without selling anyone. So I hope that Arsenal finally deal with the striker, get the DM and a left sided attacker, possibly also another defender.

[augie]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

For me losing a final is still losing. It means the manager does not have that final bit of expertise to get the win.

And again it comes down to what return should we as fans demand from a manager that has been allowed spend 800 million to build his own team. He's won one trophy (with Emery's team) and failed twice from winning positions to go on and win winnable league titles. And this season, instead of pushing on and delivering the title, (or even competing for the title) we have collapsed in the league.

If we win the CL, I'd support him getting another two seasons to try and win the league. If we make the final, but lose, then I want him gone. Thank you for your hard work but goodbye.

I'm sure I'll get a couple of cultists saying we are not entitled to win every trophy, which is a stupid response, because no one has ever said we are entitled to win every trophy.

What it comes down to is this: is Arteta a good enough and successful enough manager to keep the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

He's not entitled to keep the job without delivering tangible success, which means trophies.

It's the difference between being a big club and being Newcastle or the scum.

^^^
This sums it up for me. I know nutty is massively pro Arteta and he’s perfectly entitled to that view, but if it were me, after 5 years and fortunes spent, I’d be keeping my powder dry before trying to make a bold statement about the manager.

We’ve had two excellent performances against a top side, but there’s a long way to go yet. More importantly, it needs to be set aside an underachieving league campaign, an embarrassing “no show” in both legs of the SF against Newcastle and going out of the FA Cup at home to the worst Utd side in decades.

Lauding Arteta after two performances is incredibly premature. He needs to win a trophy and the only one available this season is the CL. Making the final, if we do, ain’t enough in my book.

^^^
All of the above.

At what point is perpetual runner up still acceptable?

His record in domestic cups is fucking terrible and I thought this year's capitulations was appalling.

Our form in the league hasn't been great either, admittedly injuries haven't helped, but who's fault is that we don't have strength in depth. He's certainly had the money.

I fear that we will end up back where we were with TOF and top 4 is a trophy with the sheep attacking those who disagree.

I've said it before but The Arsenal have now gone the longest spell since being in the top flight without winning the league. Arteta has been responsible for 25% of that drought. Something to think about, and for a supposed giant club it's not good enough. But success seems to be measured differently these days

Lads, I know you are all massive Arsenal fans, I found the RM game quite humbling for many reasons.

It showed me how desperate other fans are for us to continue to fail. They are now genuinely scared that we could get over the line.

I wouldn't call myself a 100% committed Arteta fan. I look at what else is out there and wonder if they could have turned the team around to get to this position. This morning, I watched a replay of the 2018 worthless cup game final, our end was empty from the 70th minute. We are light years from that side today. All I can say is if we keep knocking at the door we will finally hit the jackpot and I can't think of any other manager that could get us there. I listened to Dekkers interview after the game, he along with Saka are two of the most genuine footballers in the modern day game. They are 100% behind Arteta and they mean it, don't just say it.

Tbh, I say this about footballers in general and not just specific to AFC players, but players at the big clubs are nearly always behind the managers if they are playing regularly and are on a tide wedge - they have different priorities to the fans in that yes they want to win things if possible, but they also know that a change of manager could see a new player brought in to the club to replace them, so the players will always look after themselves first and foremost above what might be best for the club. On the flip side if you go to the players at big clubs who are not getting much game time, then in most cases they would be happy to see a change of manager cos the new guy might rate them more and they might get back into the team

Obviously the lack of a top quality number 9 after over 5 seasons and almost £800m spend is THE big elephant in the room, plus as I have mentioned elsewhere the manager's blind loyalty to the disappearing captain is a massive black mark against him in my book, but I would also suggest that I still have concerns about the cone boy's man-management skills - he showed in the past that he couldnt handle the big superstars and their ego's to the point when the club had to get rid of them for him to turn the corner, and it stands out that despite spending almost £800m he never signed an "star player" yet. Is that the reason why he wont sign osimhen for example ? Is he worried about the baggage and expectations elite players bring with them ? You see signing hungry young players desperate to prove themselves will allow you to take the club so far (some might say second ), but if you want to become winners of the big prizes then you need to bring in that top quality player(s) who can make the difference, but all we seem to be after is the likes of sesko or swedish guy at sporting and I wonder if it is the managers fear or mindset that is preventing us from signing a top player cos it certainly isnt the money ?

As I said previously, winning the champs league will buy him another season in my eyes, but anything else and my position of not believing in the guy will remain - the media are all asking if winning the europa league would be enough to allow ange remain in his job at the scum when their domestic season has been so poor, and I would say it is similar with us. Yes I know that our finishing position and number of defeats is way different from theirs, but expectations and spending at both clubs has been different too, and last season we challenged a really strong citeeh team where as this season we havent even been able to sustain a title challenge against an average victims team and that should have consequences

[Nick Nack]

Even at a slow pace he couldn't keep up with the Dog.

Did they ever find out what happened to the Tottenham dog that Son used to walk? Went missing apparently.

Dunno mate, but that must really be eating him up.

Hot Dogs! Hot Dogs!


I'll get me coat.

Just thought it was about time to Ketchup on your post mate

I'd say that you really know your onions

[Nick Nack]

So, I said we would win the league. It's disappointing to see the season go as it has.

BUT, we are now at least back to the Class of 2006 that came a whisker away from winning the fucker with the big ears. To those who want MA out, would a final appearance change your stance regardless of whether we win or lose?

We have made £100m due to the CL run. In ridiculous financial health, so this summer, no excuses, we can go large.

For me losing a final is still losing. It means the manager does not have that final bit of expertise to get the win.

And again it comes down to what return should we as fans demand from a manager that has been allowed spend 800 million to build his own team. He's won one trophy (with Emery's team) and failed twice from winning positions to go on and win winnable league titles. And this season, instead of pushing on and delivering the title, (or even competing for the title) we have collapsed in the league.

If we win the CL, I'd support him getting another two seasons to try and win the league. If we make the final, but lose, then I want him gone. Thank you for your hard work but goodbye.

I'm sure I'll get a couple of cultists saying we are not entitled to win every trophy, which is a stupid response, because no one has ever said we are entitled to win every trophy.

What it comes down to is this: is Arteta a good enough and successful enough manager to keep the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

He's not entitled to keep the job without delivering tangible success, which means trophies.

It's the difference between being a big club and being Newcastle or the scum.

^^^
This sums it up for me. I know nutty is massively pro Arteta and he’s perfectly entitled to that view, but if it were me, after 5 years and fortunes spent, I’d be keeping my powder dry before trying to make a bold statement about the manager.

We’ve had two excellent performances against a top side, but there’s a long way to go yet. More importantly, it needs to be set aside an underachieving league campaign, an embarrassing “no show” in both legs of the SF against Newcastle and going out of the FA Cup at home to the worst Utd side in decades.

Lauding Arteta after two performances is incredibly premature. He needs to win a trophy and the only one available this season is the CL. Making the final, if we do, ain’t enough in my book.

^^^
All of the above.

At what point is perpetual runner up still acceptable?

His record in domestic cups is fucking terrible and I thought this year's capitulations was appalling.

Our form in the league hasn't been great either, admittedly injuries haven't helped, but who's fault is that we don't have strength in depth. He's certainly had the money.

I fear that we will end up back where we were with TOF and top 4 is a trophy with the sheep attacking those who disagree.

I've said it before but The Arsenal have now gone the longest spell since being in the top flight without winning the league. Arteta has been responsible for 25% of that drought. Something to think about, and for a supposed giant club it's not good enough. But success seems to be measured differently these days

Lads, I know you are all massive Arsenal fans, I found the RM game quite humbling for many reasons.

It showed me how desperate other fans are for us to continue to fail. They are now genuinely scared that we could get over the line.

I wouldn't call myself a 100% committed Arteta fan. I look at what else is out there and wonder if they could have turned the team around to get to this position. This morning, I watched a replay of the 2018 worthless cup game final, our end was empty from the 70th minute. We are light years from that side today. All I can say is if we keep knocking at the door we will finally hit the jackpot and I can't think of any other manager that could get us there. I listened to Dekkers interview after the game, he along with Saka are two of the most genuine footballers in the modern day game. They are 100% behind Arteta and they mean it, don't just say it.

All fair and reasoned points mate.

After both RM games, I genuinely thought this is where the Arsenal should be, handing out lessons to the giants of Europe. Arteta got his tactics spot on.

The trouble I have is that for me the negatives - in game tactics, transfers or lack of, trophies outweigh the positives. After 5 years he needs to deliver

[nut flush gooner]

For me losing a final is still losing. It means the manager does not have that final bit of expertise to get the win.

And again it comes down to what return should we as fans demand from a manager that has been allowed spend 800 million to build his own team. He's won one trophy (with Emery's team) and failed twice from winning positions to go on and win winnable league titles. And this season, instead of pushing on and delivering the title, (or even competing for the title) we have collapsed in the league.

If we win the CL, I'd support him getting another two seasons to try and win the league. If we make the final, but lose, then I want him gone. Thank you for your hard work but goodbye.

I'm sure I'll get a couple of cultists saying we are not entitled to win every trophy, which is a stupid response, because no one has ever said we are entitled to win every trophy.

What it comes down to is this: is Arteta a good enough and successful enough manager to keep the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

He's not entitled to keep the job without delivering tangible success, which means trophies.

It's the difference between being a big club and being Newcastle or the scum.

^^^
This sums it up for me. I know nutty is massively pro Arteta and he’s perfectly entitled to that view, but if it were me, after 5 years and fortunes spent, I’d be keeping my powder dry before trying to make a bold statement about the manager.

We’ve had two excellent performances against a top side, but there’s a long way to go yet. More importantly, it needs to be set aside an underachieving league campaign, an embarrassing “no show” in both legs of the SF against Newcastle and going out of the FA Cup at home to the worst Utd side in decades.

Lauding Arteta after two performances is incredibly premature. He needs to win a trophy and the only one available this season is the CL. Making the final, if we do, ain’t enough in my book.

^^^
All of the above.

At what point is perpetual runner up still acceptable?

His record in domestic cups is fucking terrible and I thought this year's capitulations was appalling.

Our form in the league hasn't been great either, admittedly injuries haven't helped, but who's fault is that we don't have strength in depth. He's certainly had the money.

I fear that we will end up back where we were with TOF and top 4 is a trophy with the sheep attacking those who disagree.

I've said it before but The Arsenal have now gone the longest spell since being in the top flight without winning the league. Arteta has been responsible for 25% of that drought. Something to think about, and for a supposed giant club it's not good enough. But success seems to be measured differently these days

Lads, I know you are all massive Arsenal fans, I found the RM game quite humbling for many reasons.

It showed me how desperate other fans are for us to continue to fail. They are now genuinely scared that we could get over the line.

I wouldn't call myself a 100% committed Arteta fan. I look at what else is out there and wonder if they could have turned the team around to get to this position. This morning, I watched a replay of the 2018 worthless cup game final, our end was empty from the 70th minute. We are light years from that side today. All I can say is if we keep knocking at the door we will finally hit the jackpot and I can't think of any other manager that could get us there. I listened to Dekkers interview after the game, he along with Saka are two of the most genuine footballers in the modern day game. They are 100% behind Arteta and they mean it, don't just say it.

All fair and reasoned points mate.

After both RM games, I genuinely thought this is where the Arsenal should be, handing out lessons to the giants of Europe. Arteta got his tactics spot on.

The trouble I have is that for me the negatives - in game tactics, transfers or lack of, trophies outweigh the positives. After 5 years he needs to deliver

People on here think I am back Arteta at all costs, that couldn't be further from the truth, but I am more glass half full. But when I look at the bigger picture in an era of clubs being run/bankrolled by states its harder than ever to get over that line.

As I said previously, is there another manager out there who could take us further than we have come over the last 3 years. I doubt that very much. Quarter Final and then Semi Final of the CL having just despatched one of the best teams in Europe is not small beer. I don't care if they are having a shit season, that front line can dismantle any defence. The fact a make shift back 4 and Rice/Partey snuffed them out must be commended.

[augie]

Nutty, your post about being hard to compete with state funded clubs only carries weight if we are losing the league to citeeh again this season, but the reality is that we are losing it badly to a club who bought ONE outfield player this season (chiesa) and the reality is that he hasnt played a dozen games this season.

The second flaw in your argument is when you actually break down the results - we have failed to beat relegation threatened everton twice this season, have lost to bournemouth, dropped pts against fulham and brighton (twice), forest and the shammers, not to mention the lame surrenders in the domestic cups especially the one against the worst manure team since the mid 70s This teams are not state funded, and our cone boy spent almost £800m in 5 seasons so money cant be blamed for those results and performances

Your argument asking if there is another manager who could have brought us this far is a difficult one to quantify either for or against - has he brought us further than howe has brought the geordies or how far emery has brought villa (they were in relegation zone) or how far irola has brought bournemouth or how far forest have come ? Brighton fans were worried a few years ago when they lost a manager to chavs, but they have had a few managers since and continue to thrive regardless. I'm not disagreeing that the cone boy has brought us forward in few ways, but I am saying that he isnt good enough to bring us to the top - its like a player who is good enough to get a team into the premier league or into europe, but then when he plays there he finds that he isnt at that level himself and is out of his depth

The thing about defeating madrid in both games is that it is more about us than them - they are not a good team and lack balance (zero midfield creativity) and are on a bad run of late too, but for us the fear was all about our players bottling it anyway, so our euphoria was imo built around our delight at how we stood up mentally more than anything else. We are 100% right to be ecstatic at the two wins and performances but at the same time we can acknowledge that they are not the madrid of old without it diluting our joy

[Limerick Gooner]

For me losing a final is still losing. It means the manager does not have that final bit of expertise to get the win.

And again it comes down to what return should we as fans demand from a manager that has been allowed spend 800 million to build his own team. He's won one trophy (with Emery's team) and failed twice from winning positions to go on and win winnable league titles. And this season, instead of pushing on and delivering the title, (or even competing for the title) we have collapsed in the league.

If we win the CL, I'd support him getting another two seasons to try and win the league. If we make the final, but lose, then I want him gone. Thank you for your hard work but goodbye.

I'm sure I'll get a couple of cultists saying we are not entitled to win every trophy, which is a stupid response, because no one has ever said we are entitled to win every trophy.

What it comes down to is this: is Arteta a good enough and successful enough manager to keep the job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

He's not entitled to keep the job without delivering tangible success, which means trophies.

It's the difference between being a big club and being Newcastle or the scum.

^^^
This sums it up for me. I know nutty is massively pro Arteta and he’s perfectly entitled to that view, but if it were me, after 5 years and fortunes spent, I’d be keeping my powder dry before trying to make a bold statement about the manager.

We’ve had two excellent performances against a top side, but there’s a long way to go yet. More importantly, it needs to be set aside an underachieving league campaign, an embarrassing “no show” in both legs of the SF against Newcastle and going out of the FA Cup at home to the worst Utd side in decades.

Lauding Arteta after two performances is incredibly premature. He needs to win a trophy and the only one available this season is the CL. Making the final, if we do, ain’t enough in my book.

^^^
All of the above.

At what point is perpetual runner up still acceptable?

His record in domestic cups is fucking terrible and I thought this year's capitulations was appalling.

Our form in the league hasn't been great either, admittedly injuries haven't helped, but who's fault is that we don't have strength in depth. He's certainly had the money.

I fear that we will end up back where we were with TOF and top 4 is a trophy with the sheep attacking those who disagree.

I've said it before but The Arsenal have now gone the longest spell since being in the top flight without winning the league. Arteta has been responsible for 25% of that drought. Something to think about, and for a supposed giant club it's not good enough. But success seems to be measured differently these days

Lads, I know you are all massive Arsenal fans, I found the RM game quite humbling for many reasons.

It showed me how desperate other fans are for us to continue to fail. They are now genuinely scared that we could get over the line.

I wouldn't call myself a 100% committed Arteta fan. I look at what else is out there and wonder if they could have turned the team around to get to this position. This morning, I watched a replay of the 2018 worthless cup game final, our end was empty from the 70th minute. We are light years from that side today. All I can say is if we keep knocking at the door we will finally hit the jackpot and I can't think of any other manager that could get us there. I listened to Dekkers interview after the game, he along with Saka are two of the most genuine footballers in the modern day game. They are 100% behind Arteta and they mean it, don't just say it.

Tbh, I say this about footballers in general and not just specific to AFC players, but players at the big clubs are nearly always behind the managers if they are playing regularly and are on a tide wedge - they have different priorities to the fans in that yes they want to win things if possible, but they also know that a change of manager could see a new player brought in to the club to replace them, so the players will always look after themselves first and foremost above what might be best for the club. On the flip side if you go to the players at big clubs who are not getting much game time, then in most cases they would be happy to see a change of manager cos the new guy might rate them more and they might get back into the team

Obviously the lack of a top quality number 9 after over 5 seasons and almost £800m spend is THE big elephant in the room, plus as I have mentioned elsewhere the manager's blind loyalty to the disappearing captain is a massive black mark against him in my book, but I would also suggest that I still have concerns about the cone boy's man-management skills - he showed in the past that he couldnt handle the big superstars and their ego's to the point when the club had to get rid of them for him to turn the corner, and it stands out that despite spending almost £800m he never signed an "star player" yet. Is that the reason why he wont sign osimhen for example ? Is he worried about the baggage and expectations elite players bring with them ? You see signing hungry young players desperate to prove themselves will allow you to take the club so far (some might say second ), but if you want to become winners of the big prizes then you need to bring in that top quality player(s) who can make the difference, but all we seem to be after is the likes of sesko or swedish guy at sporting and I wonder if it is the managers fear or mindset that is preventing us from signing a top player cos it certainly isnt the money ?

As I said previously, winning the champs league will buy him another season in my eyes, but anything else and my position of not believing in the guy will remain - the media are all asking if winning the europa league would be enough to allow ange remain in his job at the scum when their domestic season has been so poor, and I would say it is similar with us. Yes I know that our finishing position and number of defeats is way different from theirs, but expectations and spending at both clubs has been different too, and last season we challenged a really strong citeeh team where as this season we havent even been able to sustain a title challenge against an average victims team and that should have consequences

I think you genuinely need help. If Arteta won the Champions League with Arsenal he would have a statue.

[SteveO 35]

As finely poised now as it has ever been

5 years trophyless and heading backwards, or Champions of Europe for the first time ever

His most career defining moment to date

[augie]

As finely poised now as it has ever been

5 years trophyless and heading backwards, or Champions of Europe for the first time ever

His most career defining moment to date

It's funny cos when we beat madrid in those games the (few) cone boy disciples were out in force lauding the guy, but very few of them have commented after the recent league performances - I say the few cone boy disciples because I honestly believe that our fanbase is basically split in 3 right now where there are a few who absolutely believe in him, a few who absolutely believe he needs to be replaced, and the majority who are up and down like a whores knickers depending on the performance on any given day. I absolutely understand the few disciples giving it large after the madrid games cos no doubt they were two huge performances, but I am old school and believe that the league is always more of an accurate reflection on where you are as a team, and our league performances have dropped big time this season and I suspect that if psg knock us out then the spotlight will really shine on the cone boy if we dont finish the league well. Some fans will excuse last nights performance because the psg games are FAR more important and if we get through then the league performances will be swept aside, but the poor domestic performances are so common now that maybe we shouldnt be ignoring them ? From a personal standpoint I will say again that my biggest concern is the cone boy's arrogance will kill us because things can only improve if he recognises where he has gone wrong, and on things like captain invisible I dont see a guy willing to admit there is a problem there

I seen a piece on social media yesterday slating chido odi martin for leaving AFC and saying that if he had of stayed then he would have got regular games for us, and my response was really ?? If the moron that posted that article asked Nwanieri today, I wonder what kind of endorsement he would give the cone boy after fat chav started ahead of him last night ? Of course you will have people posting comments about young players needing to be gradually eased into the first team and that Nwanieri is still only 17, but then I look at other clubs willing to play young players and ask myself how the fcuk 5 mins last night is supposed to help Nwanieri's development ?? If you are Nwanieri it is bad enough that you are behind a fat waddling has been in pecking order, but when that fat waddling has been is only on loan and presumably out the door in a few weeks, then what does it say about your future in the club ? I can only assume that the fat chav will be sent back to chav land at end of the season, but this place will go into the mother of all meltdown's if he is still here next season Would the cone boy escape unscathed if his treatment of Nwanieri pushed him out the door ? He pushed smith-rowe out the door and got away with it because of questions about fitness/durability. He wasnt held accountable about chido martin leaving because he hadnt played for first team so wasnt on fans radar yet. Nwanieri however is known and a fans favourite (fans always want to see homegrown talent come through) so disrespecting him like he did last night will not be tolerated for long imo

Its a long, long time since I have experienced an end to the season like this (or it seems that way anyway) - in recent seasons it seems that in the league we were always battling for something and every game had something riding on it, but this season it seems we are on auto pilot domestically and EVERYTHING is riding on champions league now. That is fine for the cone boy and the players IF they go on and win it, but anything less than that and questions will be asked and he will rightfully be under the spotlight

[Arsenal Till I Die]

5 years trophyless and heading backwards

Wengteta strikes again.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

As I said on the PSG thread -

The worst part about it all is knowing we're fucking stuck with him indefinitely.

These endless glorious failures ('yeah. but we're finishing second now. Yeah, but we got to a Champions League semi-final, we got to a League Cup semi final, my man won us two Community Shields) are exhausting. We've lived this life before. It's fucking daunting watching us repeat the same fucking thing OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

It's not about 'having to win' or feeling entitled to - that's silly. It's about wanting to learn from the failures, build on the small wins and small steps, to actually start BEING a trophy winning threat/force after this long, and tedious, project that we've supposed to 'be excited' for.

I'm fucking bored of being stuck in 2008.

I'm fucking exhausted by it all. NOTHING EVER FUCKING CHANGES!

[Gunner Rob]

The reality is that Arteta has got very very lucky with the champions league run - based around a win over an out of form Madrid side.

It has covered up a growing number of problems - most obviously a lack of striker.

Yes we could get through in the 2nd leg, but does anyone really believe that ?

[augie]

Look back at our domestic results since we beat citeeh and truly they have been woeful for the most part bar when we played teams that have since being relegated, and yet some knobheads were talking about a statue for the cone boy only two weeks ago Are people not watching the performances at all ? For people to comprehend just how shit a league the victims have won, all they need to do is look at the team that will finish in 2nd place - a team that has dropped an awful lot of points against poor and average teams, and yet are the second best team in the league Even on last nights match thread people were talking about needing to get in a few quality players this summer to kick on - what is it about this manager that gives you the confidence that he can fix things given that he has spent almost £800m to date and won nothing with the players he bought ?? Quite honestly I wouldnt trust the man with my weekly shopping money cos he would end up buying crap that I dont need, and would overpay on it too. As I have said on numerous occasions lately, he will remain loyal to c.unts like the disappearing captain, and that shouldnt be accepted by the fans or the club - when it suits the clubs they tell us that football is a big business now (and they sure as shit charge prices like it is), but everyone knows that there is no room for sentiment in business, and loyalty to a manager OR PLAYER can only be justified if the individual concerned is capable of playing their part in making the club successful again, and imo neither the manager or his cunting captain are capable of stepping up a level and need to go.

[Gunner Rob]

https://www.football365.com/news/arsena ... ta-mailbox

this nails it

[OneBardGooner]

Did they ever find out what happened to the Tottenham dog that Son used to walk? Went missing apparently.

Dunno mate, but that must really be eating him up.

Hot Dogs! Hot Dogs!


I'll get me coat.

Just thought it was about time to Ketchup on your post mate

I'd say that you really know your onions

Thanks Shallots mate!