OFFICAL SUNDERLAND THREAD

tinpot lane · Post by **tinpot lane** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:07 pm

REBEL GOONER wrote:watched the game today and it was shite, the 10min highlights on motd will no doubt make us look better then we were, yes we had a couple of chances but that was it, midfield was rubbish , defefence looked shaky and our forward line was pure and proper shite

I thought we dominated in terms of possession, just did fuck all with it.

Post by **REB** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:09 pm

but we always do tinpot, but passing the ball around without hurting sunderland in the final third of the pitch is awful, we had one or two good chances in the second half but again we didnt take them and were punished, we are going backwards as a team and i hate to say it but wenger is at fault by not bringing in a better midfielder then what we have

tinpot lane · Post by **tinpot lane** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:11 pm

REBEL GOONER wrote:but we always do tinpot, but passing the ball around without hurting sunderland in the final third of the pitch is awful, we had one or two good chances in the second half but again we didnt take them and were punished, we are going backwards as a team and i hate to say it but wenger is at fault by not bringing in a better midfielder then what we have

Totally agree

Post by **REB** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:13 pm

makes a change for us to agree

tinpot lane · Post by **tinpot lane** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:17 pm

REBEL GOONER wrote:makes a change for us to agree

exhiledinbrum · Post by **exhiledinbrum** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:31 pm

just back from the game today, hell that was a piss poor performace from our boys today, we did absolutley nothing to trouble the black cats today, i is well hacked of innit

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:27 pm

Perryashburtongroves wrote:I swear to God that Wenger is on the verge of a breakdown. The bloke seems unable to spot our frailities and seems to be watching other games when he asked to assess our performances- I know that he's always had a problem with his eyesight but this is now getting ridiculous.
I'm fed up with his moaning and groaning about the direction football is taking and to be honest, he appears at times, to be more interested in the comings and goings of Man City, Chavsea and Manure than he does in Arsenal football club. Surely he needs to wake up and accept that foreigners own football clubs and that this is the way the game has gone.

We are in a poor position at the moment, not getting points from games that we should be comfortably winning, not able to compete with the spending power of other clubs, not willing to pay higher wages to keep big name players and holding on to his belief that youngsters will win Premership titles. It's time he got his head out of the sand, started seeing the faults that this team have and put his hands up and accpet that he has significantly weakened Arsenal in recent years by not investing in new players to enable us to challenge fot the top honours.

Wenger may not be to blame, the board may hold the purse strings in the market place but the buck stops with him when it comes to tactics and selection. If he does want to win things with younger players, I'm sure there's a palce for him as an U21 boss somewhere.Right now,Arsenal football club need a boot up the backside on all fronts and I'm starting to see too much of George Graham's last days in Wenger's current style. George couldn't adapt to mid 90s football, the money and the player power. Wenger can't seem to adapt to late 200s football. Is it time not for an ultimatum: either we win something soon or Wenger 'retires?'

That is a very good post !

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:31 pm

dvbrisgooner1 wrote:
augie wrote:As I stated earlier we start with a 4-5-1 and then midway through 2nd half wenger decides to bring in bedtner and I think thank fcuk we will now go 4-4-2 but no he goes and puts bedtner on right wing and takes off theo
Then a while later we bring on nasri for denilson and I'm thinking that he will put nasri and one of the wings and put either rvp or bedtner up top but no he goes and puts nasri alongside cesc & song
Finally we concede a goal and he takes off song and brings on vela and throws all 4 forwards up front
Wenger the tactician strikes again eh

See my earlier post Augie, couldn't agree more.

The formation did not work.

To get best out of Van Persie we should play to his strong points of snap shooting and getting the better of defenders in the six yard box, and use him as the spearhead for the attack, - just let him shoot.

4-4-2 with Ade grafting behind Van Persie would have been better.

That would mean Denilson playing wide left in midfield, which for me is a no no. So I would start Nasri wide left, or give Gibbs a chance there.

Expat Gooner · Post by **Expat Gooner** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:32 pm

Perryashburtongroves wrote:Surely he needs to wake up and accept that foreigners own football clubs and that this is the way the game has gone.

If we want a short-term fix, then sure, let's hand the club over to some Yank, Russian or oil-rich sheik. The club could be loaded with debt and we'll pay over the odds for some 'super-star' who won't exactly dig deep on a Wednesday night away at Portsmouth. And what's stopping the owners dropping the club at a moment's notice ?!

Okay, it's the worst case scenario but you know what I mean.

It's not the best start we've ever had to a season but let's give the lads a chance. On paper, it looks like we'll qualify for the next round in Europe and maybe the January transfer window will see us sign a couple new players. Even if we don't win a trophy this season, selling-up is not the answer.

augie · Post by **augie** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:47 pm

Expat Gooner wrote:
Perryashburtongroves wrote:Surely he needs to wake up and accept that foreigners own football clubs and that this is the way the game has gone.
If we want a short-term fix, then sure, let's hand the club over to some Yank, Russian or oil-rich sheik. The club could be loaded with debt and we'll pay over the odds for some 'super-star' who won't exactly dig deep on a Wednesday night away at Portsmouth. And what's stopping the owners dropping the club at a moment's notice ?!

Okay, it's the worst case scenario but you know what I mean.

It's not the best start we've ever had to a season but let's give the lads a chance. On paper, it looks like we'll qualify for the next round in Europe and maybe the January transfer window will see us sign a couple new players. Even if we don't win a trophy this season, selling-up is not the answer.

How many of the current players do you see digging deep for that away fxture at fulham or the away game at a breezy sunderland or even at home to fcuking hull city ? We have plenty of players here already that are lacking in the guts, passion and commitment departments mate so dont go thinking that a change of ownership could ruin all that for us

I love the fact that you say on paper we'll qualify for the knock out stages of the champs league - its not that I disagree with you but is this the same piece of paper that had us collecting maximum points from our first 7 games of the season as we faced 2 newly promoted teams, 3 teams that fought relegation for much of last season and of course the geordies who look like they will be spending most of this season fighting relegation

How does the old saying go - matches are played of grass and not on paper

Expat Gooner · Post by **Expat Gooner** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:46 am

The point I was trying to make is that selling the club off to a foreign owner won't necessarily be the answer to all our problems. Usmanov or Kroenke won't be spending millions because they love the club.

Can't argue too much with your point about winning our first 7 games 'on-paper', although don't quite agree with the team lacking passion. Apart from Ade (am not his biggest fan), I think that most of them do give a toss and dig deep. Don't want to sound like AW but equalizing in the 94th minute has got to count for something.

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:22 am

exhiledinbrum wrote:just back from the game today, hell that was a piss poor performace from our boys today, we did absolutley nothing to trouble the black cats today, i is well hacked of innit

Same here. Whole fucking day. Really enjoyed the trip though. Fucking no-one gave a shit today (Cesc, Vela, Clichy excepted) and we were piss-poor. Still, we should have fucking won. Last goal was a great moment. Only gooner in the west stand, go fucking mental...

Kevinho · Post by **Kevinho** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:01 am

I am becoming tired of Wenger's moans about inferior teams playing only to defend against us. Hang on a minute, it was just a week ago that a team in the top flight for the very first time came to The Grove with a playmaker in behind two strikers and they beat us.

So what if Sunderland played with a flat back 10? We should be used to that by now and have the ability to deal with it. Hleb, who was supposed to be the personification of pretty but futile football, has left but still we have all the possession and very little end product.

My biggest gripe however is Wenger constantly fuelling Adebayor's ego by making him an "untouchable". Nicklas Bendtner has produced a MOTM performance at Bolton and scored 2 goals in a Carling Cup rout and yet Wenger can't bring himself to replace Ade with him. Ade did play well against Porto with 2 goals but if he's not doing the business he should not be immune to being subbed.

The day as a whole was excellent though at what was my first time to Sunderland. Met up with Dicko, crocit & Gooner1315 @ the Wetherspoons. Sunderland fans on the whole were very friendly apart from some Stone Islander who took exception to our singing on the way to the stadium. Even though they told us we got out of jail (which I didn't disagree with) the Sunderland fans we spoke to seemed genuinely grateful for a point even though they were seconds from victory.

Post by **g88ner** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:52 am

Kevinho wrote: My biggest gripe however is Wenger constantly fuelling Adebayor's ego by making him an "untouchable". Nicklas Bendtner has produced a MOTM performance at Bolton and scored 2 goals in a Carling Cup rout and yet Wenger can't bring himself to replace Ade with him. Ade did play well against Porto with 2 goals but if he's not doing the business he should not be immune to being subbed.

I'm not going to turn this into an anti-Ade post (we have enough of them

) but it is a little strange that Ade is seemingly untouchable, when he hasn't played well... again. What I really dislike about Ade though, is that he's increasingly becoming a player who is 100% reliant on good service, as he now seems incapable of making anything happen himself (shit, this is becoming another anti-Ade post, after all

)

Anyway, Bendtner....

I've been very impressed with him recently, and as you say Kevinho, he was good up at Bolton, and against Sheff Utd too. Even yesterday I thought he did more in his cameo spell, than Ade did in 90 mins! and Bendtners first touch lob-pass to RvP was quite exquisite.. and I'm liking Bendtner more and more every time I see him... he has a knack for scoring goals and his link up play is much much better than last season, and puts Ade's to shame (shit, another anti-Ade comment

)

rtpgooner · Post by **rtpgooner** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:50 pm

yesterday was disappointing. but its got to be a point gained and if we had lost 3 lin 7 games we are out of the title race. in total yesterday i dd 13 hours travelling to watch the game (there and back) and we played shit and created nothing, the players owed us after hull. The thing which is most annoying IMO is the fact on another day van persie goal would and should of stood

and we walk away from a tough game not having played well and getting 3 points, which we all question wether arsenal can do. how can the linesman be 100% sure that ball went out? videos just about clarfiy its in, so when he is 10 yards away how does he not get it right? i didnt like the fact wenger went 4-5-1. we didnt go to blackburn or bolton and play that formation and won so why change it? we showed sunderland far to much respect. Never mind about the opposition we should be going 4-4-2 and trusting our own ability on the ball to manouvere and get round there 3 in the middle of the park. ade played as a right winger and van persie as a left wiger, we had no one through the middle, when they are that far apart how can the telepathic understanding work?