ARSENE OUT ?

[Rob]

I've said it before, I think Wenger needs a new assistant. Whenever I see Pat Rice on the dug-out he is sitting back, legs & arms crossed looking like he's got the cushiest job ever. I can see him thinking to himself "I'm an Arsenal man through & through. They won't get rid of me. Where would I go anyway If I did leave!"

Old Red Nose Fergie has had Archie Knox, Brian Kidd, McClaren, Quireoz (twice), Walter Smith for a while and now Mike Phelan during his time all giving him various new ideas, disagreements, ecouragement.

The time has come for a new assistant to come in, shake it up a bit - stand on the touchline and give them the proverbial boot up the arse that is needed, to tell Wenger if he thinks he is wrong, someone hungry to take over the main job when finally Wenger does decide to call it a day (which will prob be in 2010), who will know the players and will already be intigrated in the club.

If it carries on like it is Wenger will leave, and we might be floating from one 'potentially top rated coach' to another, just like that lot up the road have been doing for the last 12 years.

The problem with that is you are shooting the Monkey and the Organ Grinder plays on. I'm not saying Rice is unreplaceable; just that the problem is plainly Wenger.

This season is set now and we'll just have to grin and bear it. But if we get to the summer and he still refuses to make what will be the substantial purchases of at least four players to raise the squads quality and make it viable, then he should and MUST be asked to leave.

Can you imagine scraping fourth place. Cesc buggers off and he simply promotes Wilshire and tells the fans no other incoming player required because "I believe in theses players, their quality (sic) and great mental strength...."


Are we really prepared to take another year of that (this) crap ?

[augie]

I've said it before, I think Wenger needs a new assistant. Whenever I see Pat Rice on the dug-out he is sitting back, legs & arms crossed looking like he's got the cushiest job ever. I can see him thinking to himself "I'm an Arsenal man through & through. They won't get rid of me. Where would I go anyway If I did leave!"

Old Red Nose Fergie has had Archie Knox, Brian Kidd, McClaren, Quireoz (twice), Walter Smith for a while and now Mike Phelan during his time all giving him various new ideas, disagreements, ecouragement.

The time has come for a new assistant to come in, shake it up a bit - stand on the touchline and give them the proverbial boot up the arse that is needed, to tell Wenger if he thinks he is wrong, someone hungry to take over the main job when finally Wenger does decide to call it a day (which will prob be in 2010), who will know the players and will already be intigrated in the club.

If it carries on like it is Wenger will leave, and we might be floating from one 'potentially top rated coach' to another, just like that lot up the road have been doing for the last 12 years.

The problem with that theory is that wenger has to be willing to listen to other peoples point of view and most of us realise that will never happen. Wenger is given free rein at the club and is as such untouchable - the fans love him for the success he has brought us while the board love him cos he is well cheap in comparison to most other managers so has brought much success with little or no expenditure. Wenger has also been the buffre for the board on so many occasions regarding the lack of money spend so it is inconceiveable that the board will want him out. However we should also look at the ceo situation here - it has taken 6 months (and counting) for our board to pick someone with the right business nous to help develop this club and take it up a notch yet our board are all business people so surely should be qualified to fill this position without much hassle. That they havent should concern all of us cos if they cannot hire a person to fill a business role that they should have experience in then how the fcuk are they ever going to appoint our next manager given that they know fcuk all about the game between the whole lot of them Is that going to be another embarrassing scenario where we hire an outside firm to identify potential candidates, interview them and then after that process is over be left with no *word censored* to fill the job and yet again tell the fans how important it is to get the right person for the job

Overall I agree that replacing rice is an easy option and doesnt tackle the issue at hand which is the manager - if we need a man to come in and tell wenger that he is going wrong then why not hire this individual to manage the club himself ?? If wenger cannot see the mess he has created then he should go at the end of the season however if he knows recognises it and seriously makes inroads into fixing it then maybe just maybe one more season but to be honest I am not expecting that to happen so a next summer departure for me

[Natural Born Gooner]

I know what you are saying Rob, but to me I'd prefer Rice being the 'sacrificial lamb' (for want of a better phrase) rather than Wenger leaving and Rice taking over - even in a Caretaker Role.

I used love listening to Wengers post match interview. Even if we'd lost he'd say something which would get underneath the press's & the oppositions skin and he'd say it with a glint in his eye. Now I'm just embarassed to hear him trot out the same old excuses, moaning.
When he complained about us being 'too cautious' after Weds game, after HE'D taken off our three best players, that just beggered belief.

He's not faultless - The capitulation in the leagues in 2002/2003 & 2007/08, the no show in the UEFA Cup in 2000, the dodgy big money buys, and the endless crap substitutions, but he has been our best manager ever, and we do need a smooth transition from him to our next manager, whoever that may be.

[hutchy08]

ive never critisced wenger ...ever, ive disagreed with some of his decisions but always been behind him and that he knows best, and im still in full support of his magagement of my club and i can excuse winning trophies because of the young players and 'tranisitional' periods and understand it needs time but one thing i cannot excuse is goingbackwardsand so far it looks like we have gone backwards that is inexcusable and he has till the end of the season to turn it around or i feel its probably deserving that he should get the boot!

[flash gunner]

Shame to say it but my patience is wearing out. Its glaringly obvious where our problems are but he refuses to correct them, i think he is losing the plot. We have to win something this season or its time for him to go

[REB]

i feel his time is nearly up, he has took the club as far as he can and cant see us progressing anymore, other teams will hav caught us and overtook us by the time wenger has sorted out this squad of players, he has had plenty of time and money to address the problems and failed so we cant blame the players always as it is wenger who has picked them in the first place

[SWLGooner]

Shame to say it but my patience is wearing out. Its glaringly obvious where our problems are but he refuses to correct them, i think he is losing the plot. We have to win something this season or its time for him to go

Spot on. I agree...

[Magic Hat]

Question, when did Dein ever contradict the manager or have a word about something he did wrong?

I do agree we are missing someone with Dein's ability at buying the players and until we get someone to buy the players Arsene wants then I'm not sure how to judge him. I would have been happy with Toure or Inler joining in the summer and perhaps Dein might have managed it. He had to go but the failure to replace him as been costly

If Arsene has lost the dressing room then he has to go, either this summer or now but only those within the club know if that is the case or not. A coach who can give tactical advice would be nice, the idea of going for tall players was good but then he went for Toure, who can't jump and Almunia who won't, underminned the whole idea

[QuartzGooner]

The only time we KNOW 100% about when Dein contradicted Wenger, was on the move to the new stadium.
Dein wanted to hire Wembley for 10 years, Wenger wanted to move from 1999.

AUGIE claims the board know nothing about football.

I would argue that The Carr Brothers, Ken Friar, Danny Fiszman and Peter Hill-Wood have enough experience and involvement to know a thing or two.

We do now need someone to sit down with Wenger and suggest changes.
To convey to Wenger just how unhappy the fans are.

Player's agents contact Wenger and ask why their players were substituted, and why they were left out, or why certain formations were not played. That is part of their job.

But how much notice does Wenger take of them?

[TheOne2Smooth]

Stop reading Comments on the first page! its a bloody joke we have been in worst of posistions than this and still won trophies! So what Wenger dont buy big! or big name players, Can anyone tell me what happened to Jose Reyes? its no good throwing money about it wont always get results the spuds spend more on players than us and what have they got?

[Rob]

Stop reading Comments on the first page! its a bloody joke we have been in worst of posistions than this and still won trophies! So what Wenger dont buy big! or big name players, Can anyone tell me what happened to Jose Reyes? its no good throwing money about it wont always get results the spuds spend more on players than us and what have they got?

Well they got a 4 - 4 draw when we gifted it to them.

And they have won a trophy in the last three years.


More to the point I am hacked off with this "buying big"


Who says "buy big" ?

Some of us just want him to buy RIGHT that RIGHT as in the correct player for the job.


He used to be able to do this. He's shipped out Diarra, Hleb, Gilberto, and Flamini this calendar year. He's done nothing about our pityful defence who can't even out jump Stoke.

People talk about this being similar to the final months of GG. WRONG !


For those wilth long memories this is much more like the nadir of Terry Neil


Now as then - we had lost our best players and did not relace them - Brady and Stapleton.

Now as then the Manager appears to nothing but dig a bigger hole for himself.


The difference is that Wenger has far more options available to him than Neil, who managed us with gates of 25,000.

That is the difference between the two.

And spare me the 'debt' arguement. Wenger could and should have sorted this in the summer. He failed and it is tantamount to a 'dereliction of duty' by him , in so not doing.

[g88ner]

Stop reading Comments on the first page! its a bloody joke we have been in worst of posistions than this and still won trophies! So what Wenger dont buy big! or big name players, Can anyone tell me what happened to Jose Reyes? its no good throwing money about it wont always get results the spuds spend more on players than us and what have they got?

I like you Smoothy, but that's a poor post

Spending money doesn't mean "spending big" or on "big name players" - a couple of astute signings to readdress the balance of the side is needed.

You say "it's no good throwing money about" but why would Wenger do that? again... just a couple of astute signings.. not a Vegas style win or bust approach, obviously!

Then you use Spurs as a reason not to spend, as I assume they are the example of how spending money can go wrong?
- so, what? never spend money again, because it "might" not bring success? that's stupid. That's defeatest. If we don't spend money on players, then how can we ever expect to catch ManUre and Cheslea??

Anyway, unlike you, I have confidence that if Wenger spent £10-20m (total!) on a couple of astute signings, then he has the talent and know how, to do it.. and he'd do a better job of it than that shower up the road!

I have faith in Wenger's ability to sign the right players, and I won't take a cheap shot at him (like you did) by mentioning Reyes!

[TheOne2Smooth]

Sorry Rob the players you speak of all wanted to go for bigger wages or 1st team football in Diarras case, can you name a player who would do well for us if so send your CV off this aint Championship Manager this is real life!