SORRY,, WHERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH
this is turning in2 a for and against hleb,, i think those that see hleb as man of the match are maybe newish fans while those that see hleb as not so great 2 put it mildly seem 2 be a bit longer term fans,, arsene plays hleb on the left which doesnt suit him as his best position is in the centre,, he has great control but cant beat a player on the outside which is why we need a winger,, as for the squad size, it is 2 small and those of us who remember the time before arsene do not want OUR CLUB 2 go back 2 the way it was then,, we are supposed 2 big a big club but we still dont sign big players,, yes arsene has brought unknown players and turned them in2 superstars but how long can that go on for,,we will be left behind unless we buck up and arsene bucks up,, all i hear from the club is how rich we are and most money on matchday etc,, i for one do not want 2 go back 2 the bad old days and fear this will happen,, even wigan spend more money then us,, i lov arsene wenger and look forward 2 him signing a new contract but please arsene spend some of the clubs money and put us back on top where we belong
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Your categorization immediately presumes that older/experienced know best. I have been going since the mid-late eighties, I am not as old as many people but certainly older than many. My judgement is shit sometimes and better at others.
This thread didn't need to turn into a for and against Hleb - but it wasn't due to someone posting how great Hleb was! He seems to be the most devisive player among the fans.
As for never beating a man - no, he doesn't beat a man down the wing - but he is not expected to by the Manager. To me, it looks like Wenger wants to keep the most recent style of play with full-backs providing the width and his wide men given more freedom to interchange.
Our first style of play with Overmars, and a quick supporting striker, essentialy went with Overmars leaving. Someone who reminds me of Overmars, but not as quick, is Ribery.
At the moment we do not have the blend right, we look pedestrian and lack pace.
As for the rest, I mostly agree!
Your categorization immediately presumes that older/experienced know best. I have been going since the mid-late eighties, I am not as old as many people but certainly older than many. My judgement is shit sometimes and better at others.
This thread didn't need to turn into a for and against Hleb - but it wasn't due to someone posting how great Hleb was! He seems to be the most devisive player among the fans.
As for never beating a man - no, he doesn't beat a man down the wing - but he is not expected to by the Manager. To me, it looks like Wenger wants to keep the most recent style of play with full-backs providing the width and his wide men given more freedom to interchange.
Our first style of play with Overmars, and a quick supporting striker, essentialy went with Overmars leaving. Someone who reminds me of Overmars, but not as quick, is Ribery.
At the moment we do not have the blend right, we look pedestrian and lack pace.
As for the rest, I mostly agree!
Yes Helb did win the penalty and create the goal.But the game is played over 90mins and his overall performance was poor.How many times did he leave Flamini exposed against 2 city players? As had been said in an earlier post he was in the same position as Cesc 6 times yet failed to shoot.Its his overall game that makes us angry about him
galasso, it was never my intention 2 make it an age thing,, just seems 2 be that way, wit the older gooners( im 39) very afraid 2 go back 2 the way we used 2 be and the newish gooners who hav only been wit arsenes managment very much in the arsene knows camp,, but its a forum for gooners so everyone has a say ,, as it should be,, me personly im in the very afraid camp,, things could and should be better for a club our size,, remember we are the biggest club in the biggest city in europe,, but sometimes it doesnt feel like it when you see everyother team in the league spendin more then us,, im a worried gooner i must admit,, young skillfull players is great but havnt we been listening 2 this for the last couple of years,, i hope im wrong but maybe arsene knows then again maybe not
"Alright, alright.....but apart from the goals and assists...WHAT HAS HLEB EVER DONE FOR US?"donaldo wrote:Yes Helb did win the penalty and create the goal.But the game is played over 90mins and his overall performance was poor.How many times did he leave Flamini exposed against 2 city players? As had been said in an earlier post he was in the same position as Cesc 6 times yet failed to shoot.Its his overall game that makes us angry about him
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Well seein as experience is comin in to it I'm 41 and so have been a gooner for some 30+ years now, and my reading of all this has not changed, we are still heavily in debt, and we can risk the long term solvency and therefore the very future of the club by refusing to accept that fact or we can spend 50+ and probably half as much again by the time you add wages and interest and still not have any guarantees and when we hear Wenger say that very thing I don't think he's livin in the past when the transfer market wasn't so manic but that he means that he doesn't think it's wise to spend yet until he can spend and make it really count and when it's financially prudent to do so!
I think AW knows exactly what he is doing because the only alternative doesn't bear thinking about, in that he has lost his marbles or somethin, the bottom line is that this like it or not is still a work in progress, and will require patience and not just necessarily for the 2 yrs, that we've already waited, I don't know how many different ways it can be said but everybody knows that we can not compete with the spending power of some of our rivals, but AW is tryin to put a structure in place where we can cos to have a real chance of success we'll have to do things different and if it was easy then everyone would do it!
I think AW knows exactly what he is doing because the only alternative doesn't bear thinking about, in that he has lost his marbles or somethin, the bottom line is that this like it or not is still a work in progress, and will require patience and not just necessarily for the 2 yrs, that we've already waited, I don't know how many different ways it can be said but everybody knows that we can not compete with the spending power of some of our rivals, but AW is tryin to put a structure in place where we can cos to have a real chance of success we'll have to do things different and if it was easy then everyone would do it!
While I always welcome open debate I do have to say that the comment from Galasso that states that wenger wants his full backs to act as wingers instead of the wingers themselves is absolute crap. If this was the case can somebody please explain to me why wenger would shift eboue out of full back because he clearly is a more attacking full back than sagna ? I think you will find that hleb's habit of drifting into the middle is down to 2 things - (a) hleb wants to be in there & (b) wenger basically gives his players (too much??) freedom to roam at will.
Anyway as has been stated this particular thread is about the state of the team/club as a whole and not about hleb and I see wenger has given us more good news (not) today when he says that he is not in the market for any new signings. As I have said on many occasions this is totally unacceptable and leaves me seriously questioning where wenger is taking this team. The man who is without equal is, if there are funds available, seriously losing his ability to see what is right in front of him and purchase much needed additions. To excel in any job you have to be able to see problems before you can fix them and his myopic vision here is astounding and frustrating.
I loved GG as our manager but even I got pissed off with his comments about a lack of quality players available to buy at the end of his tenure and now all these years later we are hearing the same shite from wenger. He keeps coming out with statements about not wishing to stunt our young players development by bringing in new players but in my opinion the players most at risk(hleb,adebayor,jens,& even gallas and rosicky) are not what I would call young players with outstanding potential. Does he honestly not think a fast striker like anelka would improve our front line ? Does he also not think a pacy natural wide man that can contribute goals from midfield on a REGULAR basis would help us ? That much alone would improve the team drastically (if thats the right word) without ever addressing our needs in the air esp on set pieces. As I stated before wenger & the board(to a much lesser degree) have done a lot for us over the years but that does not exempt them from criticism here and now in the same way that it didnt exempt players like PV4 & henry who had given great service. Someone on the inside of this club needs a kick up the backside right now as they are presiding over a team/club that is declining fast and doing nothing to fix it.
Anyway as has been stated this particular thread is about the state of the team/club as a whole and not about hleb and I see wenger has given us more good news (not) today when he says that he is not in the market for any new signings. As I have said on many occasions this is totally unacceptable and leaves me seriously questioning where wenger is taking this team. The man who is without equal is, if there are funds available, seriously losing his ability to see what is right in front of him and purchase much needed additions. To excel in any job you have to be able to see problems before you can fix them and his myopic vision here is astounding and frustrating.
I loved GG as our manager but even I got pissed off with his comments about a lack of quality players available to buy at the end of his tenure and now all these years later we are hearing the same shite from wenger. He keeps coming out with statements about not wishing to stunt our young players development by bringing in new players but in my opinion the players most at risk(hleb,adebayor,jens,& even gallas and rosicky) are not what I would call young players with outstanding potential. Does he honestly not think a fast striker like anelka would improve our front line ? Does he also not think a pacy natural wide man that can contribute goals from midfield on a REGULAR basis would help us ? That much alone would improve the team drastically (if thats the right word) without ever addressing our needs in the air esp on set pieces. As I stated before wenger & the board(to a much lesser degree) have done a lot for us over the years but that does not exempt them from criticism here and now in the same way that it didnt exempt players like PV4 & henry who had given great service. Someone on the inside of this club needs a kick up the backside right now as they are presiding over a team/club that is declining fast and doing nothing to fix it.
AugieWhile I always welcome open debate I do have to say that the comment from Galasso that states that wenger wants his full backs to act as wingers instead of the wingers themselves is absolute crap. If this was the case can somebody please explain to me why wenger would shift eboue out of full back because he clearly is a more attacking full back than sagna ? I think you will find that hleb's habit of drifting into the middle is down to 2 things - (a) hleb wants to be in there & (b) wenger basically gives his players (too much??) freedom to roam at will.
Looks like you're giving me a (virtual) kick up the backside as well! Should have some sort of funny face for being in anguish now...
Re the full-backs thing: I think even Wenger wants better players playing in all positions if available/spend money/he feels like it..... even on what we have seen so far, Sagna is a better defender AND has better control/technique than Eboue. And he has readily supported the attacks, with Clichy, in each of our games so far. I ask you: How many times has Clichy been the furthest player forward in a wide position? I think that if you look back you would find it interesting.
And, surely you remember this:
Lauren and Cole with Pires/Lunjberg drifting inside.
My argument is that this is what we are doing now, because that is what I see happening on the pitch, because this is what the Manager wants and knows he will get from these players. Perhaps if he carries on with Eboue experiment, we will see something different.
I see, therefore, I think!
