As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Chippy wrote:Is anybody else sick and tired of this debate. Its a dialogue of the deaf. Gonnersid isn't going to convince any of the AKBs and vice versa. I must have read the same arguments a thousand times in the last month and its doing my head in! Go and look at some of the funny stuff in the basement and chill out FFS!
What Can you speak up a bit.
I agree, which is why I've been very quiet.
But for the record, I don't want Wenger sacked. I just want some fucking pride in the team and to stop playing players in positions they don't belong and to admit mistakes have been made. And to win the lotto, and world peace and a single figure golf handicap.
Chippy wrote:Is anybody else sick and tired of this debate. Its a dialogue of the deaf. Gonnersid isn't going to convince any of the AKBs and vice versa. I must have read the same arguments a thousand times in the last month and its doing my head in! Go and look at some of the funny stuff in the basement and chill out FFS!
Skooner wrote:Taking the rough with the smooth is one thing; slowly going backwards compared to your rivals is another. Wenger set the standards, now he is failing to live up to them. And the reason he is not living up to them is due to some basic, obvious errors on his part.
And whilst I accept everyone makes mistakes and it is perhaps unrealistic to expect him to continue to find the Vieira’s and Henry’s of the world at low prices, what I can’t accept is the poor attitude of the players he does put on to the football pitch.
There was a time when the players played with passion and pride, were born winners and didn’t mind sticking it to the opposition. We would thrive in adversity.
Not any more. When we step against United tomorrow, I’d rather see a mass brawl on the pitch, with our players right in Rooney/Ronaldo’s faces ala Keown and Vieira from the past, as opposed to passing it round for 20 minutes, going a goal behind, heads dropping and being the support cast for a title party. At least it would show that they are hurting and won’t just accept being second best without a fight.
Now that is a top post It isnt a case of not winning trophies at all but it is simply a case of this team and squad regressing and not progressing I am sick of some fans pointing to the quality of football we play as something to wave in the opposition fans faces - we were not built on total football but we made our name with tough teams who gave 100% every single game no matter how good or bad a player they were and they certainly didnt back down in the face of adversity. This team, that wenger alone has put together, have largely shown themselves to be arrogant and spineless when it comes down to the crunch and wenger mollycoddling them and blaming it on the fans is not going to turn it around or change their mentality
mrgnu1958 wrote:i personally think its a miracle we got 4th place..
So...clap the lads round please.
We would need to be at Villa Park to clap those responsible for us getting 4th place
I think the Britannia myself (raises a glass for Glenn Whelan). Actually why don't we give the Stoke players a standing ovation before walking out on our lads?
Skooner wrote:Taking the rough with the smooth is one thing; slowly going backwards compared to your rivals is another. Wenger set the standards, now he is failing to live up to them. And the reason he is not living up to them is due to some basic, obvious errors on his part.
And whilst I accept everyone makes mistakes and it is perhaps unrealistic to expect him to continue to find the Vieira’s and Henry’s of the world at low prices, what I can’t accept is the poor attitude of the players he does put on to the football pitch.
There was a time when the players played with passion and pride, were born winners and didn’t mind sticking it to the opposition. We would thrive in adversity.
Not any more. When we step against United tomorrow, I’d rather see a mass brawl on the pitch, with our players right in Rooney/Ronaldo’s faces ala Keown and Vieira from the past, as opposed to passing it round for 20 minutes, going a goal behind, heads dropping and being the support cast for a title party. At least it would show that they are hurting and won’t just accept being second best without a fight.
Now that is a top post It isnt a case of not winning trophies at all but it is simply a case of this team and squad regressing and not progressing I am sick of some fans pointing to the quality of football we play as something to wave in the opposition fans faces - we were not built on total football but we made our name with tough teams who gave 100% every single game no matter how good or bad a player they were and they certainly didnt back down in the face of adversity. This team, that wenger alone has put together, have largely shown themselves to be arrogant and spineless when it comes down to the crunch and wenger mollycoddling them and blaming it on the fans is not going to turn it around or change their mentality
I'm very confused cos Skooner has the same IP address as Bendtner's Drinking Buddy.
Irish Gooner wrote:The only 2 players that warrant personal abuse are Adebayor and Silvestre.
The rest are either too young or care for the club or are quality players.
Those 2 deserve everything they get however.
Interesting choice of players.
I think Adebayor deserves abuse because we know he can be excellent but he appears not to have bothered this season.
Silvestre is just shit, I'm sure he tries his best but he's just not up to it. I can't really abuse him (or Song, Eboue, Denilson etc.) for that.
Whether you should let the man who bought these players, and should have known how shit they were, have it with both barrels is another matter.......
donaldo wrote:It is a tradition that after the final home game of the season the players do a lap of honour at the end of the game.Well this year it should be a lap of shame.As soon as the final whistle goes leave the ground straight away and dont stay for the lap of honour.Let the players walk round to rows of empty seats and let Wenger know what we the fans who pay his wages think of this season.Dont encourage Wenger to believe he has our backing in his failed project of not signing experienced players
And if Greedy happens to play lets give him a good send off
We wont need to organise any protest..with our home support...all they will see is empty seats anyway...
Irish Gooner wrote:The only 2 players that warrant personal abuse are Adebayor and Silvestre.
The rest are either too young or care for the club or are quality players.
Those 2 deserve everything they get however.
Interesting choice of players.
I think Adebayor deserves abuse because we know he can be excellent but he appears not to have bothered this season.
Silvestre is just shit, I'm sure he tries his best but he's just not up to it. I can't really abuse him (or Song, Eboue, Denilson etc.) for that.
Whether you should let the man who bought these players, and should have known how shit they were, have it with both barrels is another matter.......
To be fair Silvestre is an utter *word censored* and my patience with him went when he started blaming the youngsters for his own misgivings.