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[GunnerDude]

He scored 20 goals from 38 starst last seaosn, and I think he set up more goals than anyone else in the Premier League. He does produce. Not just at club level but at international level as well.

Even the season's before he produced when he played, it was just that injuries denied him more starts.

And he's not holding the club to ransom. I bet he could go to any other club and get much more than the reported £80,000 we're offering him.

Oh am sorry and how many of those were penalties? or lets add the meaningless goals against Plymouth(2) and Cardiff(1). And who cares about international level does that add to his AFC tally?
Did you know that 10assist is the worst since Thierry topped the PL assist table with 7 in the 00/01 season. You need to put things into perspective mate.
As I said, I like Robin like every other person but he is never there when we need him and when he comes back from injury it takes him 4-6games to get into his stride .
Am not saying we should sell him but I dont feel he should be throwing demands when this is the first season he has been able to play up to 38games compared to others who have been playing 45-50+games and have the right to pull their weight around.

Would like to see how long he lasts in spain with those stats

[hadareud]

4 penalties, not a lot in a word.

and if you think that the goals against Plymouth were meaningless, well, it would have been 1-1 without those "meaningless" goals.

He also assisted the other goal btw. Meaningless.

[SteveO 35]

The phrase "we need to keep this squad together" is what these player are using to hold the club to ransome.
The fact that a player doesn't produce but because he is better than most of the others doesn't give him the right to demand new signings(see who we sign before he signs) thats abit fresh coming from someone who hasnt played many matches but wants to win.
I like Robin like any other but atleast Ade scored 30goals to get a contract.
Btw its about time someone else takes some of the freekicks, Cristiano has scored more from distance than Robin has from the edge of the box. Nasri can and should be allowed to.

Totally agree with you and anyway is it really true ? Why do we need to keep together a group of players who have promised lots and achieved little ? How many other top clubs do you hear tripping out this line season after season ?

The truth is we need to keep the best players but only if they want to stay. If they are not good enough or want out, why do we need to keep them ?

[DB10GOONER]

Van Persie hasnt expressed his desire to move away from the club, and neither have any of the others?! Adebayor has been perceived as saying that, but has he actually said it? the fact is this squad needs to stay together, its just needs a few additions!

He has apparently. One of the journos on Sunday Suppliment a few months ago revealed (live on air) that at a press conference where greedywhore was stating his loyalty to and love of Arsenal, that greedywhore then walked from the podium and said to the journo that he still wanted to leave.

Now I know that most journo's will try and "up" their pedigree by alluding to being "in" with the players and also most of them are just downright lying crunts, but if what the guy said was untrue why no backlash from the club or greedywhore himself? The fact he said it on air makes me think he was telling the truth.

As for RVP? I think he is a genius on his day, his vision and technique can be that good. But he is very unreliable with injury and very inconsistant in games. One week he's giving it everything the next he just drifts out of games.

I think he is a "cream" type player, he can do all the magic bits but needs a quality striker beside him and a couple quality midfielders behind him to do the grunt work.

I'd sell for the right price and a guarantee the money would be spent on a good replacement.

[I Hate Hleb]

I've had a feeling at the back of my mind for the past couple of weeks that Man Utd might try and sign Adebayor!! I know that Fergie rates him and tried to buy him a couple of seasons ago, so I wonder if - given the likelihood that Utd won't retain Tevez - it might actually prove possible this pre-season?

I realise that they already have Berbatov but he's a different kind of player and United don't have someone who offers the physical presence Ade would (apart from Manicho? who has been on loan to Hull without too much success).

Anyway, it was just a thought.

[GunnerDude]

4 penalties, not a lot in a word.

and if you think that the goals against Plymouth were meaningless, well, it would have been 1-1 without those "meaningless" goals.

He also assisted the other goal btw. Meaningless.

Oh yes you were really quaking in your boots when we drew Plymouth and as I said put things into perspective 10 assists is a given for any second striker, Rooney does it every season, Berbatov for the past 3 season, Bergkamp, even out and out striker like Drogba, Henry(24 assist at age 25 say no more), Di Canio e.t.c.

4penalties leaving 16goals from open play and from that only 4 were significant to our season, against Chelsea, Liverpool, Hull (fa cup) and Everton equalizer.
Should not have played against Chelsea in the FA cup as he just got back from injury and it always takes him ages to get back into his stride, wasn't in the 1st leg against Utd and could do nothing about the 2nd(match was over by then). Back to the league and did nothing against Utd and Chelsea again or maybe because our season was over by then.

Perspective as I said.

[DB10GOONER]

Oh, I should have added I'd never sell him to the manc filth. Never.

[GunnerDude]

Van Persie 08/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz1lYDvC9WE

I dont see any clips from his performance against Fulham, Hull, Sunderland, Man City, Brough, Villa (2-2 away). all games which he played in and was as anonymous as the rest of the team.

[franksav63]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... n-Utd.html

The link is above, it says that RVP has only made 79 starts since he joined? Surely he's started more games than this...????

PL starts
08/09=24
07/08=13
06/07=17
05/06=13
04/05=12= 79

thats about right. besides the rumour does he really deserve £80,000 for 79 starts and never scoring up to 15goals in the PL(i bet AA does that in his first full season).
Sometimes I wish Thierry was still around or another quality striker like Eto'o so players like Robin realise that he is not the 'big cojones' he thinks he is.
And he wants to win the league with 24games and 11goals, now that really puts Thierry record into perspective

Cheers Dude, would have thought the Statman may have come up with the figures faster though....

79 starts in 5 seasons is a sad return and he wants 80 grand a week on the back of this... Hmmmm....

[hadareud]

4 penalties, not a lot in a word.

and if you think that the goals against Plymouth were meaningless, well, it would have been 1-1 without those "meaningless" goals.

He also assisted the other goal btw. Meaningless.

Oh yes you were really quaking in your boots when we drew Plymouth and as I said put things into perspective 10 assists is a given for any second striker, Rooney does it every season, Berbatov for the past 3 season, Bergkamp, even out and out striker like Drogba, Henry(24 assist at age 25 say no more), Di Canio e.t.c.

4penalties leaving 16goals from open play and from that only 4 were significant to our season, against Chelsea, Liverpool, Hull (fa cup) and Everton equalizer.
Should not have played against Chelsea in the FA cup as he just got back from injury and it always takes him ages to get back into his stride, wasn't in the 1st leg against Utd and could do nothing about the 2nd(match was over by then). Back to the league and did nothing against Utd and Chelsea again or maybe because our season was over by then.

Perspective as I said.

he scored 4 game winning goals in the Premiership, have a look and see if you find many players that had a lot more game winning goals.

Only Torres and Ronaldo scored more game winning goals in the league this season (5&7 btw). Don't try and make out as if his goals weren't important. Penalties can be important too btw. Are you saying his penalty against Roma was not important for instance? Do you think it's impossible to miss a penalty?

His assists too were vital this season. 3 assists against Hull, would we have won without him? Vital assist against Bolton, we wouldn't have won that game otherwise? Two assists at Newcastle etc.

Perspective.

[RaM]

It is important we keep RVP. There are not too many viable replacements we could get who would be better than him, and even if there were chances are we wouldn't.

Well and good for everyone to say that RVP was anonymous in these and other examples:

I dont see any clips from his performance against Fulham, Hull, Sunderland, Man City, Brough, Villa (2-2 away). all games which he played in and was as anonymous as the rest of the team.

But as mentioned, so were the rest of the team.

[GunnerDude]

he scored 4 game winning goals in the Premiership, have a look and see if you find many players that had a lot more game winning goals.

Only Torres and Ronaldo scored more game winning goals in the league this season (5&7 btw). Don't try and make out as if his goals weren't important. Penalties can be important too btw. Are you saying his penalty against Roma was not important for instance? Do you think it's impossible to miss a penalty?
His assists too were vital this season. 3 assists against Hull, would we have won without him? Vital assist against Bolton, we wouldn't have won that game otherwise? Two assists at Newcastle etc.

Perspective.

Against who?

I dont think its impossible but going by Robin's record in penalties, I already said 1-0 when we got that PK. Hence the reason I am not raising the importance of his PKs.

As I said before his assist ratio is a given, in fact it is expected! and I will say it again, this is the first time he has assisted that number since joining us and that number is the worst in the prem since 00/01 season.

I do not want us to sell him but if he thinks he is a big boy after 1season of regular stats then he is sadly deluded as AA has a better goals and assist ratio in just 12 PL games than Robin's 28, and he isn't even playing in his preferred position.

Now that is perspective. Dont give me assists against a horrible barcode side and goals against Stoke at the end of a fruitfuless season

I love Robin but does he have the right to demand new signings? I dont think so.

It is important we keep RVP. There are not too many viable replacements we could get who would be better than him, and even if there were chances are we wouldn't.

Well and good for everyone to say that RVP was anonymous in these and other examples:

I dont see any clips from his performance against Fulham, Hull, Sunderland, Man City, Brough, Villa (2-2 away). all games which he played in and was as anonymous as the rest of the team.

But as mentioned, so were the rest of the team.

Whatever happened to the days when we played bad but we had a man upfront who would say no to anything less than a win especially against the so-called smaller teams.
I wonder how many times Villa, Brough, Fulham or Sunderland beat us between 1999 and 2006

[hadareud]

I love Robin but does he have the right to demand new signings? I dont think so.

how do you know what he's demanding, we know nothing apart from what is being suggested by tabloids. The only thing we know is that he said that financially our offer was fine but that money is not everything.

I said something very similar the other day - he is 26 years old and he's about to commit his prime to Arsenal. This is the most important contract he'll sign in his career, of course he wants to make sure he can also win something here and that he'll be paid decent wages. That's hardly a crime and it's certainly not "holding the club to ransom".

I'm convinced that he will sign very soon. Maybe within the next few days.

[donaldo]

My point all along has been he has done nothing to deserve a new contract worth £80k a week if you look at his overall Arsenal career.79 games in 4 seasons says it all.If he has 2 years left why the rush to get him to sign now.As i have always said Give us £20m and you can have him