Why dont we go for Tevez?

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hadareud wrote:I don't think I have to apologise to think that Tevez isn't as good as people think and that I think that players like Van Persie, Eduardo and even Adebayor are better than him and give more to the team.

To be honest it pisses me off that I'm labelled a rose-tinter for having an opinion that doesn't match that of the "realists" (though I still fail to see how being negative about everything makes you a realist, but there you go).

I actually watched Tevez carefully over the last 3 seasons, and while he's a good player he isn't worth anywhere near 25 million pounds and 130 grand a week. He doesn't have any tactical discipline, his technique is limited, he doesn't score enough goals even when played centrally and he doesn't give enough assists.

People complain about giving 80 grand to van Persie but they'd but they'd be happy to give 130 grand a week to Tevez? Really?

That makes you a realist?
There's very few people on here that are "negative about everything". Most of the so called "realists" are positive when it is appropriate and negative likewise.

Strange that you are pissed off by a sweeping generalisation yet post one yourself in the same sentence...

I think the reason that many call the more optimistic amongst us "rose tinters" is because you/they are NEVER negative about ANY Arsenal player (even when it is deserved) and thus your/their arguments are viewed as being unbalanced and "rose tinted", whereas even the most "realistic" or pragmatic or even negative poster on here WILL agree when a player has been outstanding or even just plain old good.

Some of the more optimistic posters on here (not pointing the finger at anyone in particular) do remind me of a schoolkid getting very defensive about his club when being slagged off by schoolchums that support other clubs - always the positive spin, always the "my team is better than your team" psyche...

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I am negative about our players when it's appropriate, who says I'm not?

Only because I don't go on about how shit they are doesn't mean I don't notice when they do have a shit game or if they are not good enough in general. There's a few players at the club that aren't good enough to make it at this club, but I don't have to constantly slag everyone off to show that I'm realistic.

And no, Eboue, Bendtner, Song, Denilson and Diaby are not included in the list of players not good enough for this club imo.

edit: well maybe Diaby if he doesn't improve drastically.
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Im not a rosetinter by that description then, because I think our defence is woeful and Diaby is not going to cut it!

I think what started it all was Alex Song, he is obviously the "marmite" player in the squad in that there seems to be little middle ground in opinion.

I like him - and he offers twice as much as Diaby!

Its all Alex Songs Fault!!!! :lol:

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hadareud wrote:I am negative about our players when it's appropriate, who says I'm not?

Only because I don't go on about how shit they are doesn't mean I don't notice when they do have a shit game or if they are not good enough in general. There's a few players at the club that aren't good enough to make it at this club, but I don't have to constantly slag everyone off to show that I'm realistic.

And no, Eboue, Bendtner, Song, Denilson and Diaby are not included in the list of players not good enough for this club imo.
Bollocks!! :lol: :wink:

Name them. I bet you can't force yourself!! :lol: :wink:

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DB10GOONER wrote:Bollocks!! :lol: :wink:

Name them. I bet you can't force yourself!! :lol: :wink:
:lol:

Silvestre
Senderos (unfortunately)
Mannone
Randall
Simpson

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hadareud wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Bollocks!! :lol: :wink:

Name them. I bet you can't force yourself!! :lol: :wink:
:lol:

Silvestre
Senderos (unfortunately)
Mannone
Randall
Simpson
Well done that man!! :wink:

Although *cough* the words "easy targets" come to mind!! :lol: :wink:

Wacky strange this, but I'd be prepared to give Ramsey a bit longer - he may be one of those players that need a long run in the side to develop properly. Even Song improved after getting regular games under his belt... :shock:

:wink:

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DB10GOONER wrote:
hadareud wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Bollocks!! :lol: :wink:

Name them. I bet you can't force yourself!! :lol: :wink:
:lol:

Silvestre
Senderos (unfortunately)
Mannone
Randall
Simpson
Well done that man!! :wink:

Although *cough* the words "easy targets" come to mind!! :lol: :wink:

Wacky strange this, but I'd be prepared to give Ramsey a bit longer - he may be one of those players that need a long run in the side to develop properly. Even Song improved after getting regular games under his belt... :shock:

:wink:
Did he mention Ramsey DB10? :wink:

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easy targets? Never :wink: :lol:

I guess you mean Randall. I like the kid, he definitely has heart, but I don't think he's ever going to be quite good enough. Same with Simpson. I'd love to be wrong on both, but I just can't see it tbh.

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Can you think of any of our first team Hadareud? I would suggest that the following are not good enough:-

For ability,

Song (borderline)
Diaby
Denilson
Eboue
Bendtner (borderline)


For attitude:-

Greedycashwhore
Diaby

For reliability:-

Rosicky
Van Persie
Walcott

I wouldn't mind betting you're quite happy with all of them. :wink:

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SPUDMASHER wrote:Can you think of any of our first team Hadareud? I would suggest that the following are not good enough:-

For ability,

Song (borderline)
Diaby
Denilson
Eboue
Bendtner (borderline)


For attitude:-

Greedycashwhore
Diaby

For reliability:-

Rosicky
Van Persie

Walcott

I wouldn't mind betting you're quite happy with all of them. :wink:
So by your reckoning, Pires wasn't reliable enough because he sustained a long term injury?

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Andrey's Tongue wrote:
SPUDMASHER wrote:Can you think of any of our first team Hadareud? I would suggest that the following are not good enough:-


For reliability:-

Rosicky
Van Persie

Walcott

I wouldn't mind betting you're quite happy with all of them. :wink:
So by your reckoning, Pires wasn't reliable enough because he sustained a long term injury?
Am I reading this right - you are making this comparison :?: :roll: :banghead:

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Charlie! Charlie! wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
hadareud wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Bollocks!! :lol: :wink:

Name them. I bet you can't force yourself!! :lol: :wink:
:lol:

Silvestre
Senderos (unfortunately)
Mannone
Randall
Simpson
Well done that man!! :wink:

Although *cough* the words "easy targets" come to mind!! :lol: :wink:

Wacky strange this, but I'd be prepared to give Ramsey a bit longer - he may be one of those players that need a long run in the side to develop properly. Even Song improved after getting regular games under his belt... :shock:

:wink:
Did he mention Ramsey DB10? :wink:
I stand corrected CCX2 :lol:

I did of course mean Randall. Ramsey's just a *word censored*... :lol: :wink: (JOKING)

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hadareud wrote:easy targets? Never :wink: :lol:

I guess you mean Randall. I like the kid, he definitely has heart, but I don't think he's ever going to be quite good enough. Same with Simpson. I'd love to be wrong on both, but I just can't see it tbh.
I did indeed! :wink:

Simpson is a strange character; at times he looks light years ahead of the other youth/reserve players and at times he looks like a spastic monkey trying to juggle his own bollocks... if you see what I mean... :lol:

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Galasso wrote:
Andrey's Tongue wrote:
SPUDMASHER wrote:Can you think of any of our first team Hadareud? I would suggest that the following are not good enough:-


For reliability:-

Rosicky
Van Persie

Walcott

I wouldn't mind betting you're quite happy with all of them. :wink:
So by your reckoning, Pires wasn't reliable enough because he sustained a long term injury?
Am I reading this right - you are making this comparison :?: :roll: :banghead:
Yes, you are reading this right. He is saying that Rosicky and Van Persie, both excellent players are not good enough because they are not reliable enough, presumably because they are too injury prone. Working on this basis I was asking if he felt the same way about Pires just because he also had a long term injury.

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SPUDMASHER wrote:Can you think of any of our first team Hadareud? I would suggest that the following are not good enough:-

For ability,

Song (borderline)
Diaby
Denilson
Eboue
Bendtner (borderline)


For attitude:-

Greedycashwhore
Diaby

For reliability:-

Rosicky
Van Persie
Walcott

I wouldn't mind betting you're quite happy with all of them. :wink:
that depends what you would class as happy.

- I'm not happy with Adebayor and I'm unsure that he'll be able to turn it around, too many bridges have been burnt and he will be sold this summer. He is still good enough though. He's not Henry good, but then again, who is?
- I am very frustrated with Diaby. He is incredibly talented and he's not done anything with his talent other than a few flashes of brilliance. He's too sloppy and has concentration issues, but for me there's no questioning his ability. He has so much in his locker, but if he doesn't step it up massively this season it will be time to say goodbye. I actually wouldn't mind sending him out on loan for a season this summer.
- Song is a good player. Does have the needed ability and application but needed a few years to show it.
- Eboue is a handy squad player but considering he is starting to mouth off about not getting enough games I wouldn't be too sad to see him go
- Bendtner scored more goals than any other young player in the league and had an excellent second half to the season. Will improve to a point where he's better than Adebayor ever was imo.
- Denilson is very underrated and will become an excellent player
- Rosicky is a brilliant little player and I really hope he can stay fit next season (though this is unfortunaly nothing but wishful thinking). But how could I possibly be happy with not having him available for 1 1/2 seasons?
- Van Persie's injury record is exaggerated. He had 2 serious injuries in 5 years and a few niggling injuries when he came back from the knee injury last year. I don't view it as a problem.
- Walcott is too young to make a judgement whether he is injury prone. He had both shoulders fixed and with any luck that's it. We'll see.

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