Not Guilty

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:22 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:Disgraceful. The lot of you. Questioning not only Stevie G's innocence but his word too!! You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You tell me where it says in the law statutes that it is wrong for an Engerland footballer to get mobbed up and just start punching the head off someone.

I just pray to the holy Virgin Mary that Stevie didn't hurt his hand when he punched that bloke. Poor Stevie G. Legend. Hero. God.

Seriously though - how the fuck can that judge keep a straight face. "Yes Mr Gerard I see on the video that you are repeatedly punching the victim for no reason but that is not proof that you punched him. Not guilty."

They must think we are all as thick as they are. refer; your mousers thread for proof;

Bergkamp-Genius · Post by **Bergkamp-Genius** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:32 pm

It's this notion of self defence i can't get my head around, on what planet does your mate elbowing someone in the face and then you weighing in with a barrage of punches before the guy has lifted a hand, amount to self defence.

I think this must be why the official government figures for assault appear to have been going down, when in reality it appears to be getting out of control.

Because if what happened only constitutes a self defence finding, wtf do you have to do to get done for assault.

As you said DB how the judge kept a straight face when reading his verdict out is a mystery.

littlefire · Post by **littlefire** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:40 pm

Bergkamp-Genius wrote:It's this notion of self defence i can't get my head around, on what planet does your mate elbowing someone in the face and then you weighing in with a barrage of punches before the guy has lifted a hand...

Before he even lifted his HEAD B-G!

Number 5 · Post by **Number 5** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:51 pm

"You did not start the violence, it was started by the violent elbowing of Marcus McGee in the face by one of your friends, John Doran," Globe said.

"The victim's consequential actions of reeling backwards and then forwards and your actions in response to that movement forward has to be seen against that background," he added.

Now it's been a long day but am I reading that last bit right? According to the judge Gerrard was justified in hitting the bloke as he rocked back and forwards after being elbowed in the face? I'll have to remember that next time I want to punch some old dear in the face for taking too long in the supermarket

"Well the old dear stumbled on her walking stick, which I took to mean she was swinging it at my leg, so I dropped her."

OAP's you best watch your asses.

MutleyGooner · Post by **MutleyGooner** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:54 pm

Stevie OJ Gerrard was never going to be found guilty

LeftfootlegendGooner · Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:53 pm

ambarron wrote:how can it happen?? all the other lads pleaded guilty!!

its fucking wrong!!!

yes but all the other lads couldn't afford a top lawyer

123456arsenal · Post by **123456arsenal** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:39 pm

It's been a bad year hasn't it for the common man? I'm no commy but I do expect people to be judged and treated equally and my faith in the judiciary is none existent.

matthewadam123 · Post by **matthewadam123** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:40 pm

All explained in this just released picture of the jury -

greatgooner · Post by **greatgooner** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:52 pm

matthewadam123 wrote:All explained in this just released picture of the jury -

charliegeorgewhocanhitem · Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:07 pm

Only just heard the news on here, not surprised

Oh of course, he's a fucking scouser and they're totally innocent of anything ever are'nt they, poor victims that they are

Unfucking believable but if that sets a legal precedent then we can all go to the boozer tonight and throw punches at anyone we feel like or is it one rule for them.........blahblah, oh silly me, I guess it is

greatgooner · Post by **greatgooner** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:12 pm

charliegeorgewhocanhitem wrote:Only just heard the news on here, not surprised Oh of course, he's a fucking scouser and they're totally innocent of anything ever are'nt they, poor victims that they are Unfucking believable but if that sets a legal precedent then we can all go to the boozer tonight and throw punches at anyone we feel like or is it one rule for them.........blahblah, oh silly me, I guess it is

Magic Hat · Post by **Magic Hat** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:12 pm

Wow, I'm amazed at the amount of people here who were in the court, heard all the evidence like the jury and so can make a reasonable opinion on the entire case. Live near Liverpool do you guys?

Innocent till proven guilty, Gerrard wasn't proven guilty in the eyes of the law

Post by **g88ner** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:28 pm

Magic Hat wrote: Innocent till proven guilty, Gerrard wasn't proven guilty in the eyes of the law

Now come on Magic, I think we all know that in cases like this, the law isn't always blind!!

Five of his mates admitted Affray, and Gerrard admitted punching the chap 3 times (landing one punch) even though the other guy hadn't punched Gerrard.

Gerrard said he punched him because he felt he was going to be attacked... now considering the other chap had just been punched by Gerrard's mate, I'm really not sure landing another punch on him "in self defence" is an excuse that would have been accepted by a jury outside of Liverpool, do you??

And if there was any doubt the case was a little fishy, I think the final words the PROSECUTING QC said to the jury, sums the case up perfectly....

He said: â€œOf all famous Liverpool footballers, Steven Gerrard is up there with the greats.

"Whatever Ronaldo is worth, Stevie G is worth Â£20m more.

"So Steven Gerrard is a Liverpool hero and it gives us, on behalf of the prosecution, no pleasure to see him in the dock at Liverpool crown court.

"It gives us no pleasure to prosecute a leading light of Liverpool, a man loyal to Liverpool and loyal to Liverpool fans.

"We recognise that it will give you the jury no pleasure to return a verdict of guilty

Whose side is he on???

ST holder, by any chance???

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:34 pm

Technically you are right Magic, but even Stevie Wonder could see that first his mate and then Gerard - who although less than a foot away and looking in that direction, claimed not to see what preceded his attack and indeed, said that he thought he was the one about to get assulted

- smacking the victim at least 3 times were not doing it in self defence!!

And it should hardly come as a shock to anyone to find out that a bunch of Liverpudlians would vote in sympathy with one of their heroes - despite the evidence!!

Magic Hat · Post by **Magic Hat** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:53 pm

Think the prosecutor was trying to avoid painting Gerrard as evil but trying to convince the jury that voting Gerrard guilty doesn't mean they were saying he was the next "insert evil man here". Went overboard certainly

Now I'll admit, I'm still somewhat confused on what grounds he is innocent of. He admitted throwing the first punch between the two and while even his biggest hatters aren't claiming Gerrard committed GBH that still seems like affray as I understand it, however I wasn't there during the entire court trial. I also know that there are Everton fans in Liverpool, so why should the jury be automatically pro him? The jury, be they Liverpool fans/Everton/neutral felt the evidence pointed to Gerrard, a drunken Gerrard, getting scared and hitting out rather then trying to start a fight. They heard and saw all the evidence, we didn't but because Gerrard is a celebratory, everybody else has decided on less evidence on what they feel the verdict should be.