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Post by **REB** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:40 pm

sorry vince but there is no way in hell almunia is anywhere near the same league as shay given ,

you watch how many times given has saved his teams down the years . and wenger should have got hm when he wanted to leave newcastle.

Post by **flash gunner** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:44 pm

mrgnu1958 wrote:Ive had enough of him now.

Well said **** he is a number 2 at best

Vince · Post by **Vince** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:50 pm

REBEL GOONER wrote:sorry vince but there is no way in hell almunia is anywhere near the same league as shay given ,

you watch how many times given has saved his teams down the years . and wenger should have got hm when he wanted to leave newcastle.

Tell me how many times Given has played in a team as big as Arsenal?
It's very different to be keeper in a great team, you need to bee very focused during all the game because there's not a lot of things to do but 1 mistake and it's goal. When he played at Newcastle or with Ireland he did some great games, fantastic saves, but he's not a great keeper for me because he has never played in a big Club.

augie · Post by **augie** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:53 pm

For fcuks sake vince almunia played for fcuking nobody until he became our number 1 at 31 years of age so how does that make him a good keeper ?

Vince · Post by **Vince** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:57 pm

augie wrote:For fcuks sake vince almunia played for fcuking nobody until he became our number 1 at 31 years of age so how does that make him a good keeper ?

I mean the mistakes Almunia did, I'm not convinced Given wouldn't do the same. He never played in a Club as big as Arsenal, so for me it's not a fact that Given is better than him. For me they are the same level.

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:04 pm

REBEL GOONER wrote:sorry vince but there is no way in hell almunia is anywhere near the same league as shay given ,

you watch how many times given has saved his teams down the years . and wenger should have got hm when he wanted to leave newcastle.

Spot on.

Given and Almunia are not in the same league.

Almunia is a no 2 at best and always has been.

augie · Post by **augie** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:23 pm

Vince wrote:
augie wrote:For fcuks sake vince almunia played for fcuking nobody until he became our number 1 at 31 years of age so how does that make him a good keeper ?
I mean the mistakes Almunia did, I'm not convinced Given wouldn't do the same. He never played in a Club as big as Arsenal, so for me it's not a fact that Given is better than him. For me they are the same level.

Vince I know that you have said previously that the concentration level of keepers is vital at a big club cos they wouldnt get as much to do in a game as say given would at newcastle but are you really telling me that almunia's mistakes are down to a lack of concentration or focus ??

I mean we are seeing an ongoing catalogue of the same mistakes the guy keeps making and unlike you I put that down to ability or lack of to be more precise. You can argue that given's concentration levels have never been tested at a big club but there is no way in world that you can tell me that almunia has anywhere near the same level of ability as given has and even those defending almunia on this thread have said that we should have bought given

Post by **g88ner** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:27 pm

augie wrote:we should have bought given

Assuming we ever could have signed Given!

Would Newcastle have sold him to us before last season? and when they were willing to sell, could we have outbid Citeh??

If Given was available, then I agree he would have been worth a shot, but I don't think it's ever been certain that he was available to us!

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:32 pm

g88ner wrote:
augie wrote:we should have bought given
Assuming we ever could have signed Given!

Would Newcastle have sold him to us before last season? and when they were willing to sell, could we have outbid Citeh??

If Given was available, then I agree he would have been worth a shot, but I don't think it's ever been certain that he was available to us!

Could we outbid Citeh? Given only cost 8m

Bergkamp-Genius · Post by **Bergkamp-Genius** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:36 pm

donaldo wrote:
g88ner wrote:
augie wrote:we should have bought given
Assuming we ever could have signed Given!

Would Newcastle have sold him to us before last season? and when they were willing to sell, could we have outbid Citeh??

If Given was available, then I agree he would have been worth a shot, but I don't think it's ever been certain that he was available to us!
Could we outbid Citeh? Given only cost 8m

Wages, not the fee.

o2ba_gooner · Post by **o2ba_gooner** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:46 pm

I'm not sure that it was that much. I think Given had about a year left on his contract and Newcastle were happy to get what they could for him.

As far as I remember no one else bid for him, but that may have been down to Citeh doing their now customary 'we'll double/triple your current wages' enticement.

There are/were others we could have got who are more competent than Almunia. Brad Friedel is better in my opinion and Villa didn't break the bank to sign him either. Jaskelienen (sp) also commands his area better than Almunia. AW has a horror record picking keepers, Lehmann was far and away the best one and even he had serious issues.

wlchuccc · Post by **wlchuccc** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:04 pm

Vince wrote:
augie wrote:For fcuks sake vince almunia played for fcuking nobody until he became our number 1 at 31 years of age so how does that make him a good keeper ?
I mean the mistakes Almunia did, I'm not convinced Given wouldn't do the same. He never played in a Club as big as Arsenal, so for me it's not a fact that Given is better than him. For me they are the same level.

They are, but Given is at the better end whereas Almunia is at the worst end

djhdjh · Post by **djhdjh** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:52 pm

Given's a typical overrated short arse keeper who looks flashy because he has to dive for shots other keepers don't have to but actually lets in more goals than they do because of his lack of inches.

The keeper we should have gone for, and he was available on a free, was Schwarzer when he left the Smoggies. I know we hate stats but fewest shots let in percentage wise last season tells its own story.

In the real world, I trust Almunia many times more than Flappy so unless there is a better keeper we can get on top of the outfield players we need over the next two days we have to keep him in.

Kiki · Post by **Kiki** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:05 pm

To be a bit objectionable I think Irish fans tend to overrate Given. For my money, as far as Ireland goes, he's great in Qualifying stages of tourno's but when we do get to the next stage (WC 2002) I didnt really think he stood out tbh. Don't get me wrong, he an excellent keeper but you'd need to ask yourself at his early 30's why has no big team come in for him?

I know his brother, I always use to say to him Jens was a much better keeper!

Vince · Post by **Vince** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:05 pm

Kiki wrote:To be a bit objectionable I think Irish fans tend to overrate Given. For my money, as far as Ireland goes, he's great in Qualifying stages of tourno's but when we do get to the next stage (WC 2002) I didnt really think he stood out tbh. Don't get me wrong, he an excellent keeper but you'd need to ask yourself at his early 30's why has no big team come in for him?

I know his brother, I always use to say to him Jens was a much better keeper!

That's my point.

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