Denton: Rest In Peace
- patricetastygoal
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One memory of Johnny Hoy, was after a pre season friendly against Rangers. The Northbank was full of drunk jocks. He stood at the bottom of the stairs down from the 'bank and fronted them with just half a dozen blokes. The jocks went out the other side! Must have been 68 or somewhere around that. The guy who took me to the game whispered reverently "that was one of the hardest geezers in London!" I saw him rarely after that and I heard he got married and opened an off license in newcastle. I also heard (not sure if this is true...) that he was seen over the Clock end, looking to have a word or two with a couple of people. Spider was quite short lived, but very active while he was around.
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Please don't get me wrong the guy deserves a good send off and the respect of those that knew him or of him before his death!
In the same way I hate the Diana shit I just don't agree with people jumping on the bandwagon about people they didn't know!
Every programme (well last time I bought one) there was obituaries in there about guys who died loving and following Arsenal all their life! Why not them too?
Yes Denton's memory does deserve respect but respect is not every scallywag singing his praises!
Anyhow good luck to him and he is a loss no doubt!
In the same way I hate the Diana shit I just don't agree with people jumping on the bandwagon about people they didn't know!
Every programme (well last time I bought one) there was obituaries in there about guys who died loving and following Arsenal all their life! Why not them too?
Yes Denton's memory does deserve respect but respect is not every scallywag singing his praises!
Anyhow good luck to him and he is a loss no doubt!
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patricetastygoal wrote:One memory of Johnny Hoy, was after a pre season friendly against Rangers. The Northbank was full of drunk jocks. He stood at the bottom of the stairs down from the 'bank and fronted them with just half a dozen blokes. The jocks went out the other side! Must have been 68 or somewhere around that. The guy who took me to the game whispered reverently "that was one of the hardest geezers in London!" I saw him rarely after that and I heard he got married and opened an off license in newcastle. I also heard (not sure if this is true...) that he was seen over the Clock end, looking to have a word or two with a couple of people. Spider was quite short lived, but very active while he was around.
I've heard about the Rangers game, think it was around 68/69 and was the reason that we'd never play Rangers in friendlies or testimonials for donkeys years and when we finally did a few years back it all kicked off again. Thanks for the Johnny Hoy story, I hav'nt heard too many over the years. He does get a mention, albeit briefly in one of those "football hooligan" books. I saw it in Waterstones yesterday, there's a chapter on all the well known faces around the country from all types of clubs big and small. At the beginning there's a brief note on those that "did'nt make it RIP" and Johnny was one of them
Message to Gus.
You seem unable or unwilling to accept that Denton was not an ordinary fan. Firstly log onto the Herd website and read a few of the hundreds of tributes. Over 45,000 visits to his tribute thread - that amount of people would have filled Highbury and more. If you need further convincing go to The pet Shop Boys website and see how highly respected he was in non football circles. Educate yourself. This is nothing like the out pouring of grief for Diana who was a million miles away from the people lining her funeral procession. Not sure of your age but for my generation the Bear was the main man, someone who everybody knew and respected. One of the reasons we are such a multi racially supported club is because of him, have you never wondered why we don't have the connections to the far right that other clubs do? Because our main man was big black and loved and you do yourself and this club a disservice by dismissing him and those that wish to pay their respects so easily. Denton is a massive part of the history of this club and if people want to pay their respects, even those that never met him, then let them do it without your sniping.
You seem unable or unwilling to accept that Denton was not an ordinary fan. Firstly log onto the Herd website and read a few of the hundreds of tributes. Over 45,000 visits to his tribute thread - that amount of people would have filled Highbury and more. If you need further convincing go to The pet Shop Boys website and see how highly respected he was in non football circles. Educate yourself. This is nothing like the out pouring of grief for Diana who was a million miles away from the people lining her funeral procession. Not sure of your age but for my generation the Bear was the main man, someone who everybody knew and respected. One of the reasons we are such a multi racially supported club is because of him, have you never wondered why we don't have the connections to the far right that other clubs do? Because our main man was big black and loved and you do yourself and this club a disservice by dismissing him and those that wish to pay their respects so easily. Denton is a massive part of the history of this club and if people want to pay their respects, even those that never met him, then let them do it without your sniping.
yeeboh
think gus's point was that because he didnt know denton that he found it strange to express grief the way all the RIP'S were coming in did,,
i didnt know denton and i posted a RIP on the herd website as well as here but i can also see gus's point, becaise a lot of people did seem to jump on the wagon
think gus's point was that because he didnt know denton that he found it strange to express grief the way all the RIP'S were coming in did,,
i didnt know denton and i posted a RIP on the herd website as well as here but i can also see gus's point, becaise a lot of people did seem to jump on the wagon
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Woah Yeeboh!
Look at the last thing I said.............
"Yes Denton's memory does deserve respect but respect is not every scallywag singing his praises!
Anyhow good luck to him and he is a loss no doubt!"
For us who have been around the block a few times at Arsenal the stories of The Bear are legend and will deservedly go down in terrace hsitory!
However, you have taken my comments the wrong way! My point is clearly that when people cannot even spell his name correctly, we have had Delton, Dolton etc they obviously knew very little of the man! Hence I do not understand how they can refer to him as a great loss? I find such outpourings very trivial and in their own way disrespect the memory of the guy! In fact when his death was first anoounced on here half the users said "who is he?". I don't know about you but when two days later the same people are singing his praises and saying how he will be lost it turns the whole thing a bit chirlish and hard to stomach!
I do not need to be educated myself thank you about The Bear's role in the support of Arsenal as whilst I did not know him personally, standing on the terraces in the era that I did it was hard not to not know of him! The man was immense in more ways than one!
Hence why I stood infront of The Armoury last Sunday and respected the tributes and silence after the game!
I am sorry if you think that in anyway I was lowered the mans memory! The fact is though I was simply asking for the respect to be upheld and not belittled by people jumping on a bandwagon they had no right to be on!
Look at the last thing I said.............
"Yes Denton's memory does deserve respect but respect is not every scallywag singing his praises!
Anyhow good luck to him and he is a loss no doubt!"
For us who have been around the block a few times at Arsenal the stories of The Bear are legend and will deservedly go down in terrace hsitory!
However, you have taken my comments the wrong way! My point is clearly that when people cannot even spell his name correctly, we have had Delton, Dolton etc they obviously knew very little of the man! Hence I do not understand how they can refer to him as a great loss? I find such outpourings very trivial and in their own way disrespect the memory of the guy! In fact when his death was first anoounced on here half the users said "who is he?". I don't know about you but when two days later the same people are singing his praises and saying how he will be lost it turns the whole thing a bit chirlish and hard to stomach!
I do not need to be educated myself thank you about The Bear's role in the support of Arsenal as whilst I did not know him personally, standing on the terraces in the era that I did it was hard not to not know of him! The man was immense in more ways than one!
Hence why I stood infront of The Armoury last Sunday and respected the tributes and silence after the game!
I am sorry if you think that in anyway I was lowered the mans memory! The fact is though I was simply asking for the respect to be upheld and not belittled by people jumping on a bandwagon they had no right to be on!
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Gus,
fair dos, may have had a go at you unfairly there so no offence meant. The fact that you are an old time fan and done your time in following the club gives you the right to express your opinion without me steam rollering it.
I can see your point of view about people jumping on the band wagon but maybe their dads or older mates have since explained to them who the Bear was and they now have a kind of hero worship for him because of that. It may be that they are hearing for the first time about how it was following your club back in the day.
fair dos, may have had a go at you unfairly there so no offence meant. The fact that you are an old time fan and done your time in following the club gives you the right to express your opinion without me steam rollering it.
I can see your point of view about people jumping on the band wagon but maybe their dads or older mates have since explained to them who the Bear was and they now have a kind of hero worship for him because of that. It may be that they are hearing for the first time about how it was following your club back in the day.