4-0, Clean Sheet but has anyone seen Cesc?

[DB10GOONER]

is it really necessary to complain about stats every single bloody time DB10?

somebody asked me to post them, I did. We know you don't care for statistics, we don't need to hear it every time you see some. Ignore them if you hate them so much.

Yes it is. I will never suffer a statastician to live. Nor a ginger.

[DB10GOONER]

Hadareud, have you got the stats on Song today?

41 passes
36 successful (87 %)
4 interceptions
19 tackles (14 successful)

brilliant tackling performance.

Meaningless stats. (AGAIN! ) As are the stats on Cesc.

ONE LAST TIME; One cannot qualify a players performance with quantative stats. No offense Hadareud but I'm so sick of this stats shit!!

DB10 is so open to subjective fudging and interpretation that they are useless when trying to quantify something like football performance. What is the constant? What is the variable? Define a tackle? 41 passes? To where? Over what distance? How many were assists for goals or even put another player into a key position? How many were just 5 or 6 yard passes to the side or rear?

Song was above average on Saturday, but still managed to give the ball away under no real pressure and put the team on the defensive on a couple of occasions. He has deffo improved from last season but he still would not get in any of the other "Big 4's" teams and is not a good enough DM to help drive a team to the title.

Cesc was poor by his highest standards and has been for months. His body language is that of a player not happy. No stat can tell you that - looking at his body language and interaction with his team mates can.

Personally, I think he looks demotivated and pissed off. He is looking at the likes of Eboue, Diaby, Denilson and Song and thinking "Why do I have to play with such poor and (at best) barely average players?" I don't blame him. It's a short career and the chances to win honours can be few.

If we don't win the PL or the CL this season then he is gone next summer. Guaranteed.

Really.... I thought you were a lezza?

Fudging is a lezzer term too, Frank.

[franksav63]

Ahhh very true...

[Boomer]

is it really necessary to complain about stats every single bloody time DB10?

somebody asked me to post them, I did. We know you don't care for statistics, we don't need to hear it every time you see some. Ignore them if you hate them so much.

Yes it is. I will never suffer a statastician to live. Nor a ginger.

Well....98% of the time.

[DB10GOONER]

is it really necessary to complain about stats every single bloody time DB10?

somebody asked me to post them, I did. We know you don't care for statistics, we don't need to hear it every time you see some. Ignore them if you hate them so much.

Yes it is. I will never suffer a statastician to live. Nor a ginger.

Well....98% of the time.

[cusamano]

strange thing then that Mourinho wanted him at Chelsea and this summer at Inter.

Diaby

I can´t believe that.

[hadareud]

strange thing then that Mourinho wanted him at Chelsea and this summer at Inter.

Diaby

I can´t believe that.

believe it.

BBC article from when he joined us: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 607920.stm
He even talked about choosing us over Chelsea in an interview back then.

And articles from this summer: http://www.goal.com/en/news/1707/inter/ ... by-reports linking him with a move to Inter. I know the link is goal.com, but there were (slightly) more reputable sources reporting similar things.

Not that it matters. He's shit, stupid etc. etc.

Because people on the internet always know better than some of the best managers in the world.

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

strange thing then that Mourinho wanted him at Chelsea and this summer at Inter.

Diaby

I can´t believe that.

believe it.

BBC article from when he joined us: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 607920.stm
He even talked about choosing us over Chelsea in an interview back then.

And articles from this summer: http://www.goal.com/en/news/1707/inter/ ... by-reports linking him with a move to Inter. I know the link is goal.com, but there were (slightly) more reputable sources reporting similar things.

Not that it matters. He's shit, stupid etc. etc.

Because people on the internet always know better than some of the best managers in the world.

What about all the other top managers in the world who don’t want Diaby?

To be fair, if Mourinho signed him for Inter then I reckon he could make Diaby into the player he has the potential to be. Diaby has bags of talent but seems to lack a) the brain to know how to use that talent effectively, and b) the motivation to really care whether or not he ever does. Mourinho wouldn’t let him coast along, which is what (from the outside looking in, at least) he seems to be doing at Arsenal.

[g88ner]

And articles from this summer: http://www.goal.com/en/news/1707/inter/ ... by-reports linking him with a move to Inter. I know the link is goal.com, but there were (slightly) more reputable sources reporting similar things.

Not that it matters. He's shit, stupid etc. etc.

Because people on the internet always know better than some of the best managers in the world.

Hmm... ok.

Firstly, just because Goal.com and a couple of newspaper articles says so, it really doesn't mean that Mourinho really did want to bring Diaby to Inter.... in any case, Eboue was also linked to Inter Milan this summer, so forgive me if I take this media speculation with a large pinch of salt!

However, I do understand that Chelsea and Liverpool were also after Diaby as a youngster, so clearly the boy had enough talent to interest the big boys... however, many players don't live up to their early promise, so I think at age 23, we should be judging him on what he's producing NOW and stop thinking of him a wet behind the ears young prodigy!

My opinion is that Diaby has yet to live up to his huge promise. He shows from time to time great ability and bursts of power, but for the most part he's been ordinary since we signed him.... and this season he's been just as hot and cold as ever.

As a comparison with another attacking midfielder, Rosicky has just come back from 20 months out injured and even though he isn't match fit, and bound to be rusty, he's shown more promise in those first few games than Diaby has in the last 20 months. The difference in quality, awareness and movement is quite clear, and that is the level an attacking midfielder like Diaby has to reach. At the moment Diaby's miles off.... but he has potential and bags of ability and power, so fingers crossed he gets there eventually.

[Bergkamp-Genius]

Did Cesc not play in the confederations cup, and consequently miss the start of our pre-season?

I am a bit concerned about his start to the season but he is possibly still playing himself back into match fitness.

Agree with what somebody in an earlier post said about Diaby though. How many more poor standard performances is he going to put in before he is replaced by Ramsey for instance?[/quote]

Good grief - did some people actually go the game yesterday. Amazing that a thread about another average Fabregas performance brings out half a dozen responses from the "Cesc, Arshavin and Walcott can-do-no-wrong brigade", and the "Vela, Wilshere and Ramsey should play every game because they looked good in the Beer Cup" brigade.

Where the fuck were you lot when Diaby turned the game the other night with a piece of strength, pace and creation that the rest of our midfield combined could only dream of, and when he scored 2 against Pompey. He's started off better than most this season - there's going to be a few regrets around here when he gets a run of 10 to 15 games in a row under his belt in the centre of midfield

BTW - Ramsey has been amazingly ordinary in every game he's played, the crowning moment being against his former club last season when he did everything in his power to gift them the game down there. Not going to jump on his back, but just proving a point. If you think Ramsey is head and shoulders above Diaby......well.

Seems to be a lot of 'brigades' on here i thought it was just rosetinters and realists if you are going to accuse people of taking a certain position make sure you read what they have written properly..the guy actually stated he was a bit concerned about Cesc's start to the season..to me that doesn't sound like he's suggesting Cesc can do no wrong.. maybe you missed that bit or maybe you deliberatley missed that bit because it didn't fit in with the point you wanted to make..

I won't go in to the the reasons why the likes of Cesc is given more leeway when not up to his best.. than the likes of denilson song eboue and diaby..if you don't know why there is little point in explaining it. As for Ramsey and Wilshere the same applies if you can't see why they are not judged on every error to the extent that the four i mentioned are then it's pointless explaining.
But i will say i do find it more and more ridiculous that some on here seem so eager to tear down the likes of fabregas on a regular basis yet spend so much time defending and bumming up players that are not fit to lace his boots..dragging the talented down and the shit up may seem like a noble socialist cause in real life but in top flight football it's just plain stupid..

[franksav63]

And articles from this summer: http://www.goal.com/en/news/1707/inter/ ... by-reports linking him with a move to Inter. I know the link is goal.com, but there were (slightly) more reputable sources reporting similar things.

Not that it matters. He's shit, stupid etc. etc.

Because people on the internet always know better than some of the best managers in the world.

Hmm... ok.

Firstly, just because Goal.com and a couple of newspaper articles says so, it really doesn't mean that Mourinho really did want to bring Diaby to Inter.... in any case, Eboue was also linked to Inter Milan this summer, so forgive me if I take this media speculation with a large pinch of salt!

However, I do understand that Chelsea and Liverpool were also after Diaby as a youngster, so clearly the boy had enough talent to interest the big boys... however, many players don't live up to their early promise, so I think at age 23, we should be judging him on what he's producing NOW and stop thinking of him a wet behind the ears young prodigy!

My opinion is that Diaby has yet to live up to his huge promise. He shows from time to time great ability and bursts of power, but for the most part he's been ordinary since we signed him.... and this season he's been just as hot and cold as ever.

As a comparison with another attacking midfielder, Rosicky has just come back from 20 months out injured and even though he isn't match fit, and bound to be rusty, he's shown more promise in those first few games than Diaby has in the last 20 months. The difference in quality, awareness and movement is quite clear, and that is the level an attacking midfielder like Diaby has to reach. At the moment Diaby's miles off.... but he has potential and bags of ability and power, so fingers crossed he gets there eventually.

That's a pretty good summing up there g88ner...

[lowerwest]

and we all know it.next summer its been agreed already. presuming he stays AA can play that role...one thing we arent ahort of is little midgets buzzing around. big powerful hold up strikers now thats another thing.

[Coppo d' Gooner]

Is this the same Cesc who ran Everton all over the place 1st day of the season...
people forget he played through the following game against celtic with an injury, played against pompy \9went off injured\0

He needs time to get back to fitness and in the groove.

Some people make me cringe with their negativity on here.

as somebody else said form is temporary class is permanet, he has had a couple of average games (for his high standard)

and has for his mood cesc has never been a leader who shouts and rally's his team mates so don't know what people are saying there. He leads by example by the football he plays

Give the boy a break and sing his name LOUD and PROUD because the team would be a lot worse without CESC FABREGAS

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

This thread is about Cesc but most posts are about Diaby.

Perversely that is (in my humble, uninformed opinion) exactly why Cesc will leave us -

The chance to play with Messi, Iniesta, Henry (again) and several excellent others as opposed to Eboue (shitter) Diaby (retard) Bendtner (clump-foot) Song (Ray Wilkins with dreads) and Denilson (Song without dreads).

And the chance to win trophies.

And because our weather is f**king shit!!!!!

[DB10GOONER]

And articles from this summer: http://www.goal.com/en/news/1707/inter/ ... by-reports linking him with a move to Inter. I know the link is goal.com, but there were (slightly) more reputable sources reporting similar things.

Not that it matters. He's shit, stupid etc. etc.

Because people on the internet always know better than some of the best managers in the world.

Hmm... ok.

Firstly, just because Goal.com and a couple of newspaper articles says so, it really doesn't mean that Mourinho really did want to bring Diaby to Inter.... in any case, Eboue was also linked to Inter Milan this summer, so forgive me if I take this media speculation with a large pinch of salt!

However, I do understand that Chelsea and Liverpool were also after Diaby as a youngster, so clearly the boy had enough talent to interest the big boys... however, many players don't live up to their early promise, so I think at age 23, we should be judging him on what he's producing NOW and stop thinking of him a wet behind the ears young prodigy!

My opinion is that Diaby has yet to live up to his huge promise. He shows from time to time great ability and bursts of power, but for the most part he's been ordinary since we signed him.... and this season he's been just as hot and cold as ever.

As a comparison with another attacking midfielder, Rosicky has just come back from 20 months out injured and even though he isn't match fit, and bound to be rusty, he's shown more promise in those first few games than Diaby has in the last 20 months. The difference in quality, awareness and movement is quite clear, and that is the level an attacking midfielder like Diaby has to reach. At the moment Diaby's miles off.... but he has potential and bags of ability and power, so fingers crossed he gets there eventually.

Perfectly summed up, G88ner. As did IU4GN also.