Most overrated current arsenal player amongst fans and media

[Radford149]

Radford just says ..............................theo theo

[SteveO 35]

I say Theo aswell, if he wasn't English then nothing would be said.

Ain't that the truth - he's been far more erratic than Diaby and yet he seems to be the darling of the Concrete Bowl

Really? As my mate hadareud would say, the statistics don't seem to support that assertion and show that even with all his injuries and lack of complete 90 minutes played, Theo has been more productive than Diaby.



Diaby: Appearances 111 Goals 13 Assists 7

Walcott: Appearances 131 Goals 20 Assists 17

did I hear my name?

Those stats include former clubs.

Their stats in the league would be more useful imo:

Diaby: 71 games (51 starts) - 9 goals, 4 assists
Walcott: 65 games (35 starts) - 7 goals, 7 assists

Overall (for Arsenal):

Diaby: 112 games (74 starts) - 13 goals, 7 assists
Walcott: 107 games (55 starts) - 15 goals, 15 assists

Everyone can draw their own conclusions from those stats, but I wouldn't say that Theo has been more productive than Diaby, given his position and that he's actually a forward. Yes, Diaby has played some games on the wing too, but that is hardly his natural position.

Why, thank you my good man. I rest my case. So can we just re-iterate.

The obviously useless, clueless, stupid, shit, lazy (any more adjectives from the uninformed - please feel free to add) Abou Diaby has scored two less goals than Walcott in five more games. From the 112 games I bet at least 70-80 were stuck out of position where as the Eng-er-lund wonderboy always gets to play in out and out attacking positions.

Proves to me what an over-rated waste of space he's been since we signed him.

Hadareud - we are in agreement all too often these days. Perhaps you need to get those stats out on how many games Diarra refused to play in (a joke BTW - I don't want to rake that fucking argument up any more)

[franksav63]

I suspect that when Hadareud's (aka The Statman) name is typed on this forum it sends some kind of alarm to his p.c. or laptop....Hmmm....

[djhdjh]

Stats arguably slightly unfair to Walcott because he is about 3(?) years younger than Diaby so you would expect him to not be very productive for a team like us through his teenage years. Still overrated but his attributes (pace and er pace) do fit the England team really well (because the rest of them ain't that quick) so you can see why those who watch him only for England think so highly of him.

Personally I think Diaby's overrated because some of them think he's up to anything. After that, Gael sadly.

[cusamano]

Without any shadow of doubt it has to be Theo Walcott - by fans and the media alike. Since he joined us in 2006 I'm not sure if there's been any progress and he's living off the back of a hat-trick for England and one mazy run at Anfield.

How many Prem Lge games has he completed for the Arse (answers on a postcard please) ?

Made from glass, runs in straight lines (normally straight into the opposing full back), the least intelligent footballer on the field (unless Adebayor or Baptista happen to be playing). I feel like I need not go on, other than to say the type of welcome he gets when he comes on as a sub is nothing short of hero worship which leaves me wondering what it is that everyone sees in him.

Ramsey and Vela are next in line - when one of them comes on in a Prem League game and does something of note, again, I might understand the hero worship

All three are in the "too much, too soon" category

Absolutely right.
For me it´s Theo as well.

[cusamano]

Van Persie?????? Really? He is top quality

Oh, I agree... and Arshavin is top quality, too. I just think they're overrated by the media a little.

AA23 is not overrated imo.
He´s just playing shit recently.
But he´s world class, still love that little russian dude!

[I Hate Hleb]

Okay, I'll admit I got some of the stats wrong because, as hadareud pointed out, I inadvertently included total career stats for Theo rather than those just for Arsenal. Apololgies.

Yet we still have to take into consideration that Theo has played a bigger proportion of his games as a Sub and that, as others have pointed out, Theo is 3 years younger than Diaby therefore most of those appearences were as a teenager.

Also, I would say that Theo hasn't always been played in what he considers his proper position, as a striker, that often. That's just as valid as claiming Diaby is often played out of position - which I agree with and also despise the manager for doing - when he's picked in other areas of midfield than central.

We also have to acknowledge that Theo, like Diaby before him, has rarely if ever had a decent run of consecutive games - partly due to always picking up injuries.

So to summerise, the conclusion reached is ...........................
























they're both over-rated, under-performing, injury prone and clue-less players who would be better off somewhere else??!!!

[SteveO 35]

IHH - I don't think any of us could argue against the fact that they are both underperforming and that they should be showing a lot more consistency than they have to date.

I just hope that all of those who refer to Theo's lack of years as an excuse were equally forgiving of Denilson when he was trying to hold down a regular spot in the most difficult position to play as a youngster when he was 18. Perhaps you were one of the even handed ones, but all too often last season I heard the kid getting absolutely nailed by the fans whilst the "Theo, Theo" chants were ringing out loud after yet another unproductive run down the wing.

I also didn't hear much of the "give him time" argument to a 19 year old Nicklas Bendtner when he was struggling for form.

Personally Theo has got to shake off this "young with potential" tag and start fucking delivering some end product. I think the Arsenal fans have cut him more than enough slack and I for one want to see it rewarded more regularly

[I Hate Hleb]

I agree SteveO and I was one of the lone voices before last season saying Bendtner was young and needed time. He's yet another player that's not helped by constantly being played out of position by Wenger. I can't though claim the same patience with Denilson as I just don't think he's good enough.

However, there is a difference between being 18/19/20 when you are showing signs of ability, albeit on an inconsistent basis; and being 23, when by rights you should be experienced and mature enough to have mastered the basics like when to hold on to the ball and when to release. I also think Diaby's attitude and apparent lack of fight leaves a lot to be desired, which I don't think can ever be levelled at Theo. Well, not yet anyway.

Perhaps it's because I do know that there's a great player in there struggling to get out that I - and many others - get so frustrated with Diaby. In a way, it's easier to accept if a player has less ability but always shows great determination, than it is to be as talented as our Frenchman yet fail to live up to or produce that ability often enough. Couple that with what appears to a lackadaisical attitude and you've got yourself a 'scape-goat'!!

[augie]

I too have defended denilson steve o cos like you I see a young player last season trying to progress in what was probably the lightest and smallest midfield in world football I believe if he had a PV4 playing alongside him we would have seen a much improved denilson but I guess you could argue the same about many of our midfielders. I agree totally that he aint no cesc but I would prefer him in that position ahead of diaby every day of the week and twice on a sunday and to be honest I would probably prefer him in there ahead of song. Again though steve you would surely have to use the age defence for vela and ramsey cos neither has had any real kind of run in league games for us and I do think wenger, in these cases, is "killing" the development of 2 young players in preference to loyalty of his underperforming players

However where I cannot agree with you is re diaby and bedtner as both have had countless league games under their belt at this stage and bedtner is a full international with many goals to boot. I know vela is also a full international too but as I said above he aint never been given a run of games that bedtner has

[Pal Lydersen]

i like clichy but hes not at the races of late and cant cross a ball to save his life,bring in gibbs and start making the starting place for that left back spot competitive

[Lethal]

walcott
clichy
song
denilson
diaby
eboue
almunia
fabianski
sagna