thats funnyMonostich wrote:What if he wins the Champions League?
It's always a possibility.
IT'S TIME FOR ACTION (NOT RED ACTION)
That I what I dont understand!!!!TeeCee wrote:Thing is, proven, 'great' managers are rarely available. There's a good chance that Hiddink and Mourinho will be available this summer - if you wanted to try to get one of the best, then this summer is the time to do it. If Wenger carries on next year and wins nothing again and we see pretty much the same as this season, if he doesn't sign a new contract, we'd be left looking around for a 'great' manager with the two mentioned above likely to have already got new jobs this summer. (Maybe not Mourinho, but quite likely if he was to win the CL this year).
This is a massive summer for Arsenal in many ways, if we're to get rid of Wenger, I agree with others, he'll never be sacked but may walk by 'mutual consent', then we would be in with a shout of getting either Hiddink or possibly Jose. If Wenger stays, then it will be interesting to see if he sticks to his word about forgetting the youth project and revising his whole idea of how to do things. The thing is, it's not just about buying players, I'm sure he will go out and buy at least two, we need established top quality players and there has to be a big question mark around him doing that whatever happens.
Was Arsene Wenger well known in England when he came to us?
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I think most people would agree that Wenger proved to be somewhat unique when he came in and what he achieved. That was 13/14 years ago and football is different now, I doubt very much there is another Wenger (early years) out there, let's face it, we haven't seen one since.That I was I dont understand!!!! Was Arsene Wenger well known in England when he came to us?
What Arsenal need now is a proven manager who is able to get results, we have the basis of a decent squad we need someone who is able to identify the weak spots (we all know what they are), address them, and take us to the next level.
In case you picked me up wrong, the point I was making was that Arsene wasnt very well known in England however he was a very good Manager in France and Japan and led Monaco to a European Final not to mention develope the likes of George Weah etc...TeeCee wrote:I think most people would agree that Wenger proved to be somewhat unique when he came in and what he achieved. That was 13/14 years ago and football is different now, I doubt very much there is another Wenger (early years) out there, let's face it, we haven't seen one since.That I was I dont understand!!!! Was Arsene Wenger well known in England when he came to us?
What Arsenal need now is a proven manager who is able to get results, we have the basis of a decent squad we need someone who is able to identify the weak spots (we all know what they are), address them, and take us to the next level.
As Wenger even siad before himself in replying to Mourinho on not winning the Champs Lge - he said something like there was great managers in the lower lge in France of something like that...
One guy who doesnt get mentioned amongst the best which puzzles me is Louis Van Gaal - what an amazing Ajax side he had in the '90...
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My own beliefs are that wenger must go regardless and then we will see who we can get as manager. If we install another manager and it doesnt work out then so be it cos this fcuking project aint going anywhere either and as I have said a million times before I would rather fail by trying to improve things than fail by remaining the same 
Again maybe I am harsh here but is wenger buying 3 or 4 players enough to see him keep his job ? Does he not also need to acknowledge that some of the players are shite and get rid of them too ? I honestly dont believe this fix is going to be as simple as buying 3 or 4 players cos imo in the summer we will also see the departures of cesc, arshavin and gallas so a simple patch up job will not do
Have said before that I really believe that only a massive protest will force the club into looking at the real dissatisfaction amongst Gooners everywhere. I also believe that we are only 2 or 3 bad results away from seeing such a protest whether it be pre-planned or straight after a game cos of the dross the fans have watched during said game. Personally I am going to enough games over the next 2 months to give a commitment to any such protest that arises although if I amke it over for tomorrow nights game I will be with my cousin who is firmly in the "dont criticise your own club" group even though he hates almunia with a passion since paris 2006
Again maybe I am harsh here but is wenger buying 3 or 4 players enough to see him keep his job ? Does he not also need to acknowledge that some of the players are shite and get rid of them too ? I honestly dont believe this fix is going to be as simple as buying 3 or 4 players cos imo in the summer we will also see the departures of cesc, arshavin and gallas so a simple patch up job will not do
Have said before that I really believe that only a massive protest will force the club into looking at the real dissatisfaction amongst Gooners everywhere. I also believe that we are only 2 or 3 bad results away from seeing such a protest whether it be pre-planned or straight after a game cos of the dross the fans have watched during said game. Personally I am going to enough games over the next 2 months to give a commitment to any such protest that arises although if I amke it over for tomorrow nights game I will be with my cousin who is firmly in the "dont criticise your own club" group even though he hates almunia with a passion since paris 2006
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Whilst it would be a wonderful (if unlikely) acheivement, should winning the CL be viewed as enough to keep Wenger in the job?
As Arsene has said himself on many occasion the league is the true test of a team as it is won through consistency over a whole season. Cups can be won by teams that are far from the best that competed in it.
No, I am not suggesting that if we win the fucking thing somehow that we still call for Wenger's haed but I am saying that it does not to measure a side if you use Le Former God's own benchmarking.
Winning the CL this year would be a wonderful thing for us fans but unless that victory is used as a spring baord to move forward then it will be more of a hinderance than a help. We failed to capitalise on The Invincibles season when we had a chance to move truly into Europe's footballing elite but we sat on our laurels and watched as others invested.
I want us to win the CL, I really do, but if winning it means Wenger gets another five years of trying to create the impossible then I am sorry you can keep it.
But lets not get carried away, Man Yoo and Chelsea are still in the competition so that alone makes the whole of my post null and void!
As Arsene has said himself on many occasion the league is the true test of a team as it is won through consistency over a whole season. Cups can be won by teams that are far from the best that competed in it.
No, I am not suggesting that if we win the fucking thing somehow that we still call for Wenger's haed but I am saying that it does not to measure a side if you use Le Former God's own benchmarking.
Winning the CL this year would be a wonderful thing for us fans but unless that victory is used as a spring baord to move forward then it will be more of a hinderance than a help. We failed to capitalise on The Invincibles season when we had a chance to move truly into Europe's footballing elite but we sat on our laurels and watched as others invested.
I want us to win the CL, I really do, but if winning it means Wenger gets another five years of trying to create the impossible then I am sorry you can keep it.
But lets not get carried away, Man Yoo and Chelsea are still in the competition so that alone makes the whole of my post null and void!
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[quote="augie"]My own beliefs are that wenger must go regardless and then we will see who we can get as manager. If we install another manager and it doesnt work out then so be it cos this fcuking project aint going anywhere either and as I have said a million times before I would rather fail by trying to improve things than fail by remaining the same
Again maybe I am harsh here but is wenger buying 3 or 4 players enough to see him keep his job ? Does he not also need to acknowledge that some of the players are shite and get rid of them too ? I honestly dont believe this fix is going to be as simple as buying 3 or 4 players cos imo in the summer we will also see the departures of cesc, arshavin and gallas so a simple patch up job will not do
Have said before that I really believe that only a massive protest will force the club into looking at the real dissatisfaction amongst Gooners everywhere. I also believe that we are only 2 or 3 bad results away from seeing such a protest whether it be pre-planned or straight after a game cos of the dross the fans have watched during said game. Personally I am going to enough games over the next 2 months to give a commitment to any such protest that arises although if I amke it over for tomorrow nights game I will be with my cousin who is firmly in the "dont criticise your own club" group even though he hates almunia with a passion since paris 2006[/quote]
I'd love to see you protesting !! What a laugh that would be. Wake up !! You're in the minority In fact, do it !! Go on Charlie big potata's !! ................didn't think so 
Again maybe I am harsh here but is wenger buying 3 or 4 players enough to see him keep his job ? Does he not also need to acknowledge that some of the players are shite and get rid of them too ? I honestly dont believe this fix is going to be as simple as buying 3 or 4 players cos imo in the summer we will also see the departures of cesc, arshavin and gallas so a simple patch up job will not do
Have said before that I really believe that only a massive protest will force the club into looking at the real dissatisfaction amongst Gooners everywhere. I also believe that we are only 2 or 3 bad results away from seeing such a protest whether it be pre-planned or straight after a game cos of the dross the fans have watched during said game. Personally I am going to enough games over the next 2 months to give a commitment to any such protest that arises although if I amke it over for tomorrow nights game I will be with my cousin who is firmly in the "dont criticise your own club" group even though he hates almunia with a passion since paris 2006
[/quote]I'd love to see you protesting !! What a laugh that would be. Wake
up !! You're in the minority In fact, do it !! Go on Charlie big potata's !! ................didn't think so Call me shallow but I've found it hard to forgive his pitifull effort to prevent both goals since Paris - However we should NEVER EVER EVER in a million yeras went in to a game of such magitude with such a keeper!augie wrote:My own beliefs are that wenger must go regardless and then we will see who we can get as manager. If we install another manager and it doesnt work out then so be it cos this fcuking project aint going anywhere either and as I have said a million times before I would rather fail by trying to improve things than fail by remaining the same
Again maybe I am harsh here but is wenger buying 3 or 4 players enough to see him keep his job ? Does he not also need to acknowledge that some of the players are shite and get rid of them too ? I honestly dont believe this fix is going to be as simple as buying 3 or 4 players cos imo in the summer we will also see the departures of cesc, arshavin and gallas so a simple patch up job will not do
Have said before that I really believe that only a massive protest will force the club into looking at the real dissatisfaction amongst Gooners everywhere. I also believe that we are only 2 or 3 bad results away from seeing such a protest whether it be pre-planned or straight after a game cos of the dross the fans have watched during said game. Personally I am going to enough games over the next 2 months to give a commitment to any such protest that arises although if I amke it over for tomorrow nights game I will be with my cousin who is firmly in the "dont criticise your own club" group even though he hates almunia with a passion since paris 2006
One one hand, we're far from the best team in Europe (clearly, United and Chelsea are better than us, you could certainly add Barcelona and Real Madrid into that, and I reckon there are a few other clubs who'd claim to be better than us too). We were better than all of those 6 years ago, but fate conspired against us in the CL - we should have definitely won it at some point in our "glory days". Wenger's biggest crime is letting arguably the world's best club side disband so quickly.Percy Dalton wrote:Whilst it would be a wonderful (if unlikely) acheivement, should winning the CL be viewed as enough to keep Wenger in the job?
On the other hand, no manager wins the CL and gets sacked. We'll gain extra revenue from winning the CL, we'll gain a bunch of new "undesirable" fans who'll pump money into the club, our players will be poster boys for every sort of advertising campaigns (Fabregas selling fragrance, Eboue selling condoms, Denilson selling bog roll), and every player would want to play for the European Champions. Whether Wenger would spend his sudden windfall is very doubtful.
I can see that pettern of results happening qiute easily to be honestskipper wrote:Now, I'm quite sure that if anyone starts singing Wenger Out on wdnesday night will be in minority....but what if: (pure speculation of course):
- We lose or draw on wednesday night?
- We lose or draw at Shite Hart lane?
- We lose or draw at Stoke? (happened in last two visits)
- We lose or draw at Birmingham?
- We fcuk up one of 'easy' home games?
...and then in April
- We lose at home to Citeh?
Would those shouting Wenger Out still be in minority?
If answer is YES, then we deserve everything we get.
Just to repeat, I don't think such run of bad results will happen, but this is as likely IMO as us winning all remaining 13 games.
