UNHAPPY?? MAKE A STAND. VS FULHAM

[storrmin571]

Arsene has not just lost the dressing room, i think he has today lost the supporters.

[olgitgooner]

Whatever happened to the old fashioned idea of supporting your team??

Sure, we're all pissed off at surrendering a two goal lead v Wigan. We're all pissed off at our recent lack of success.

But FFS appreciate what we do have at Arsenal.

Maybe it would be better if we were just a mid-table team (as we were for the majority of my 45 years of supporting Arsenal). That way, we wouldn't have high expectations. And we wouldn't get disappointed.

The idea of walking out before the lap of honour, is just disgusting.

Where as it's perfectly OK for them to trudge off in Barca with a token acknowledgment for the fans, or as I recall at Stoke in the pissing rain for two players (one being Campbell) to clap the supporters who'd given up their weekend despite the complete lack of respect shown to the competition by Wenger.

Can I suggest how you would make a stand then. I will still be there supporting my team next season, just as I have been for 30 years. Do you suggest I write a letter and just receive a standard reply with a pre-printed signature at the bottom telling me everything's just fine and that we have a great, manager and stadium ?

Good point about the players not acknowledging the fans. Couldn't agree more. They should appreciate us as much as we appreciate them.

But I don't consider walking out early is a good way to "make a stand".

No "stand" actually has to be made. Arsene Wenger is, at this moment, as pissed off as we all are. Maybe even more so, since he has nobody else to blame for failure. Us supporters are blameless.

So. The boss would have learnt lessons from this season. He's already said that he will strengthen the team. He's ready to spend money.

Your suggested walk-out would be an insult to all the players. Not just the ones who have underperformed. I don't see any sense in it.

[yeahbaby]

Whatever happened to the old fashioned idea of supporting your team??

Sure, we're all pissed off at surrendering a two goal lead v Wigan. We're all pissed off at our recent lack of success.

But FFS appreciate what we do have at Arsenal.

Maybe it would be better if we were just a mid-table team (as we were for the majority of my 45 years of supporting Arsenal). That way, we wouldn't have high expectations. And we wouldn't get disappointed.

The idea of walking out before the lap of honour, is just disgusting.

Where as it's perfectly OK for them to trudge off in Barca with a token acknowledgment for the fans, or as I recall at Stoke in the pissing rain for two players (one being Campbell) to clap the supporters who'd given up their weekend despite the complete lack of respect shown to the competition by Wenger.

Can I suggest how you would make a stand then. I will still be there supporting my team next season, just as I have been for 30 years. Do you suggest I write a letter and just receive a standard reply with a pre-printed signature at the bottom telling me everything's just fine and that we have a great, manager and stadium ?

Good point about the players not acknowledging the fans. Couldn't agree more. They should appreciate us as much as we appreciate them.

But I don't consider walking out early is a good way to "make a stand".

No "stand" actually has to be made. Arsene Wenger is, at this moment, as pissed off as we all are. Maybe even more so, since he has nobody else to blame for failure. Us supporters are blameless.

So. The boss would have learnt lessons from this season. He's already said that he will strengthen the team. He's ready to spend money.

Your suggested walk-out would be an insult to all the players. Not just the ones who have underperformed. I don't see any sense in it.

no an insult would be taking 50k+ a week salary and struggling to put in 100% for 90mins once or twice a week.. walking out early would be a sign of the fans dissatisfaction with the current state of the club

[SteveO 35]

Whatever happened to the old fashioned idea of supporting your team??

Sure, we're all pissed off at surrendering a two goal lead v Wigan. We're all pissed off at our recent lack of success.

But FFS appreciate what we do have at Arsenal.

Maybe it would be better if we were just a mid-table team (as we were for the majority of my 45 years of supporting Arsenal). That way, we wouldn't have high expectations. And we wouldn't get disappointed.

The idea of walking out before the lap of honour, is just disgusting.

Where as it's perfectly OK for them to trudge off in Barca with a token acknowledgment for the fans, or as I recall at Stoke in the pissing rain for two players (one being Campbell) to clap the supporters who'd given up their weekend despite the complete lack of respect shown to the competition by Wenger.

Can I suggest how you would make a stand then. I will still be there supporting my team next season, just as I have been for 30 years. Do you suggest I write a letter and just receive a standard reply with a pre-printed signature at the bottom telling me everything's just fine and that we have a great, manager and stadium ?

Good point about the players not acknowledging the fans. Couldn't agree more. They should appreciate us as much as we appreciate them.

But I don't consider walking out early is a good way to "make a stand".

No "stand" actually has to be made. Arsene Wenger is, at this moment, as pissed off as we all are. Maybe even more so, since he has nobody else to blame for failure. Us supporters are blameless.

So. The boss would have learnt lessons from this season. He's already said that he will strengthen the team. He's ready to spend money.
Your suggested walk-out would be an insult to all the players. Not just the ones who have underperformed. I don't see any sense in it.

Thanks for the response olgit, but in terms of the highlighted bit above have we not heard this same stuff virtually word for word in recent times (most Aprils and Mays !)

I would dearly love to believe that he has learned a lot of lessons about particular players and that we will have new hope for next season in the form of Joe Hart, Chamakh, a new partner for TV5, and a Miguel Veloso / Arteta type to play with Cesc.

If that happens, I will agree that Wenger has learned and that he has made all the right moves

By the same token, what will your view of Wenger be if he does not buy a keeper or centre half this Summer and lets Gallas leave ?

[olgitgooner]

Whatever happened to the old fashioned idea of supporting your team??

Sure, we're all pissed off at surrendering a two goal lead v Wigan. We're all pissed off at our recent lack of success.

But FFS appreciate what we do have at Arsenal.

Maybe it would be better if we were just a mid-table team (as we were for the majority of my 45 years of supporting Arsenal). That way, we wouldn't have high expectations. And we wouldn't get disappointed.

The idea of walking out before the lap of honour, is just disgusting.

Where as it's perfectly OK for them to trudge off in Barca with a token acknowledgment for the fans, or as I recall at Stoke in the pissing rain for two players (one being Campbell) to clap the supporters who'd given up their weekend despite the complete lack of respect shown to the competition by Wenger.

Can I suggest how you would make a stand then. I will still be there supporting my team next season, just as I have been for 30 years. Do you suggest I write a letter and just receive a standard reply with a pre-printed signature at the bottom telling me everything's just fine and that we have a great, manager and stadium ?

Good point about the players not acknowledging the fans. Couldn't agree more. They should appreciate us as much as we appreciate them.

But I don't consider walking out early is a good way to "make a stand".

No "stand" actually has to be made. Arsene Wenger is, at this moment, as pissed off as we all are. Maybe even more so, since he has nobody else to blame for failure. Us supporters are blameless.

So. The boss would have learnt lessons from this season. He's already said that he will strengthen the team. He's ready to spend money.
Your suggested walk-out would be an insult to all the players. Not just the ones who have underperformed. I don't see any sense in it.

Thanks for the response olgit, but in terms of the highlighted bit above have we not heard this same stuff virtually word for word in recent times (most Aprils and Mays !)

I would dearly love to believe that he has learned a lot of lessons about particular players and that we will have new hope for next season in the form of Joe Hart, Chamakh, a new partner for TV5, and a Miguel Veloso / Arteta type to play with Cesc.

If that happens, I will agree that Wenger has learned and that he has made all the right moves

By the same token, what will your view of Wenger be if he does not buy a keeper or centre half this Summer and lets Gallas leave ?

At last!!!

An easy question.........

sack the bastard!

[gunnerbrad]

How can we walk out early against Fulham, what will players like Cesc, Van Persie who could be playing at high level clubs think when the see empty seats in the lap of honour.

Wenger is probably as pissed off as i am now spending £100 going to see that shit but honestly i saw it coming after the first goal. Wenger knows this year he has fucked up this year and his stubborness desicion not to buy a keeper in January. He has already stated he will do something about it this summer, it looks like we have tied up a deal for Chamkh and i think in potenially his last year in charge he will sign players we need to win the league. (Goalkeeper, Defender, Back up for Song)

If we do not win a trophy next season, "Project Wenger" i feel would have failed and he should not be offered a new contract and like many gooners i expect to see a new, commited manager in who will win us trophies. If we buy the right players this summer and keep players fit i feel we have an excellant chance next year, if not it should be Wengers time and we all move on.

[tel]

I will be at the Fulham game but I will not be hanging around to applaud the team at the end. My dissapointment with Wenger has turned into anger today and I will not hang around to say well played when all I want to do is scream fuck off.

The likes of Oldgit can slag us off all he likes, I've been going for 32 years and evenin the old days it didn't matter if we were shit as it cost fuck all to get in and we largely knew our place. We now spend a fortune watching a team that can't quite get to the next level and we're lied to by Wenger and the board. enough is enough and I welcome any forthcoming protests.

[SteveO 35]

I agree with Oldgitgooner.

How can we walk out early against Fulham, what will players like Cesc, Van Persie who could be playing at high level clubs think when the see empty seats in the lap of honour.

Wenger is probably as pissed off as i am now spending £100 going to see that shit but honestly i saw it coming after the first goal. Wenger knows this year he has fucked up this year and his stubborness desicion not to buy a keeper in January. He has already stated he will do something about it this summer, it looks like we have tied up a deal for Chamkh and i think in potenially his last year in charge he will sign players we need to win the league. (Goalkeeper, Defender, Back up for Song)
If we do not win a trophy next season, "Project Wenger" i feel would have failed and he should not be offered a new contract and like many gooners i expect to see a new, commited manager in who will win us trophies. If we buy the right players this summer and keep players fit i feel we have an excellant chance next year, if not it should be Wengers time and we all move on.

If you go back to posts and comments made in April 2009 and April 2008 you will see exactly the same hopes and expectations from our supporters. I fail to see the difference between this Summer and the past recent ones that have seen him fail to address the key positions that you mention in your post.

Has everyone forgotten his complete negligence in each of the past four years transfer dealings ?

If anything he will use the fake argument of being closer to our rivals this season as a reason to invest even less

[antgel]

Thanks for the response olgit, but in terms of the highlighted bit above have we not heard this same stuff virtually word for word in recent times (most Aprils and Mays !)

That's not the only stuff we've heard over-and-over again.

Roll on next season, and a massive change in the playing staff, because this choke will scar this bunch for a while.

[SteveO 35]

Thanks for the response olgit, but in terms of the highlighted bit above have we not heard this same stuff virtually word for word in recent times (most Aprils and Mays !)

That's not the only stuff we've heard over-and-over again.

Roll on next season, and a massive change in the playing staff, because this choke will scar this bunch for a while.

The first part of your response was actually quite amusing for once, albeit very thinly veiled.

Yes, that big change of playing staff - we can always look forward to that every Summer can't we. I wish my memory was selective too

[VforVictory]

BUT I ALSO BLAME THE BOARD.

Nina Smith timing of putting up her shares.
Kronke's silence
Peter hill woods badly timed comments.

THIS SHOULD BE ADDRESED.

I fail to see what these three issues have to do with it.

Do the players care that Lady Nina has put her shares up for sale?

Doubt it.

Kroenke cannot talk about takeovers, because to do so means he is forced to act within a certain time frame. Silence is good business in his position.

Hill-Wood?

He has been making all kinds of comments for years.
He was right, Cesc likely would not be a starter at Barcelona.

I doubt Cesc takes Hill-Wood's comments to heart.

The boss is Wenger.

If you have a criticism of the board, then it could be that they do not sack Wenger, if that is how you strongly you feel about Wenger.

I agree with you that us fans need to put our concerns to Wenger.

I hope Gooner.Ed can do so at the shareholders Q and A?

[flash gunner]

Im sure Arsenal are asking/telling Redaction to dust off the banners that the shamefully displayed last game of last season

After Wenger admitted meeting/flirting with officials of Real Madrid the banner that stuck in my throat was as dig at anyone who questioned him

"REAL FANS HAVE REAL PATIENCE"

:awnker:

[Champagne Charlie]

Agree with V, what happens with Lady NBS's share has no effect on the players.

And PHW is akin to Prince Philip when he rambles on. Though I'd agree he was right about Cesc's level at Barca.

[g88ner]

Personally, i dont see a need to make a stand HOWEVER I would understand if others chose to leave early, or not turn up at all - it's their call, and that's fair enough.

[TeeCee]

If you buy a new car and it turns about to rubbish, it not really your fault is it?

Errr well if you buy a Kia for £7000 then yes, it is your fault when it turns out to be a pile of shite! It's not rocket science, if you buy a Volkswagen or BMW you know you are getting a very good car! It's not that different with football players, if you buy an established international from a footballing power, you know you are getting a certain level of quality.