Diaby & Denilson

Vince · Post by **Vince** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:00 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:Diaby has moments of absolute brilliance but that is all. Moments. He never has a whole game where he is quality, just bits of games. And then he can go game after game after game without even a moment of achieving averageness. Not good enough at that level.

I agree with that, I was at the grove for the game against Tottenham and Diaby was so rubbish I was insulting him. It's frustrating when you see what he's able to do.
But in the second part of the season he had game, like he he had against Uruguay with France, where he's been dominant in the midfield. With the qualities he has (physically and technically) he can be a top class midfielder .. if he's more consistent (but he's improved recently in his consistency imo).

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:27 pm

Diaby clearly suffers from comparisons to Vieira. He IS a good player who can with consistency to his performces be a very good player. The problem is its all going forward. He is NOT a ball-winner, he's more an attacking mid0-fielder by far.

The only thing in his play that is truly reminiscent of Vieira is his abaility to carry the ball forward on long runs. But even there Where Vieria exploded forward on dynamic striaght "I dare you to get in my way" runs, Diaby seems to glide forward on more shifty, "avoid the defenders" slaloming runs.

We sorely miss the dynamism of a player like Vieira in the middle of the park linking defence to attack as he did so spectaculalrly well throughotu his time at Arsenal. To me while Henry is no doubt a better more gifted player, Patrick Vieira was and will always be the Wenger Revolution for me.

We need a new Vieira like a Moussa Sissoko so Abou Diaby can simply focus on being the best Abou Diaby he can be - which I suspect can be a pretty damned good Abou Diaby.

potter · Post by **potter** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:36 pm

I spent a fair bit of yesterday watching videos of previous Arsenal greats. The one on Vieira just proved to me that there is no comparison between the two. Even the going forward bit , Diaby is just a poor relation. It doesn't help him having to live up to a player's reputation that frankly he doesn't stand a chance with.

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:42 pm

Some fans are using the PV4 comparisons as a way of defending diaby claiming that they are unfair comparisons......how about we compare him to the romford pele or edu instead then ? He isnt fit to lace the boots of either of them and we are not comparing him to absolute legends of the game there are we ? He needs to be dispensed of asap

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:44 pm

tbf he played a blinder for the frogs v uraguay. think he controlled the pace of the game and held the ball up brilliantly, but it's not often enough he produces such performances.

Vince · Post by **Vince** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:29 pm

There's an interview of Vieira, in french newspaper L'Ã©quipe, where he said that Diaby and him have many similarities and he likes him a lot. He says Diaby is better than him at passing players.
He says aswell that he was the best french player against Uruguay, and he wasn't surprise. There's more to come from him according to PV4.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/20100613 ... diaby.html

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:17 pm

potter wrote:I spent a fair bit of yesterday watching videos of previous Arsenal greats. The one on Vieira just proved to me that there is no comparison between the two. Even the going forward bit , Diaby is just a poor relation. It doesn't help him having to live up to a player's reputation that frankly he doesn't stand a chance with.

Exactly - he'll never be good enough so long as that expectation remains out there. How good he actually is or can be we'll have no idea for sure until we have an actual Vieira-type in the team or he leaves Arsenal.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:18 pm

potter wrote:I spent a fair bit of yesterday watching videos of previous Arsenal greats. The one on Vieira just proved to me that there is no comparison between the two. Even the going forward bit , Diaby is just a poor relation. It doesn't help him having to live up to a player's reputation that frankly he doesn't stand a chance with.

Exactly - he'll never be good enough so long as that expectation remains out there. How good he actually is or can be we'll have no idea for sure until we have an actual Vieira-type in the team or he leaves Arsenal.

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:56 pm

augie wrote: diaby He needs to be dispensed of asap

Agree!

Seldom in the history of football conflict, has one man been the cause of so many broken down attacks.

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:27 am

augie wrote:Some fans are using the PV4 comparisons as a way of defending diaby claiming that they are unfair comparisons......how about we compare him to the romford pele or edu instead then ? He isnt fit to lace the boots of either of them and we are not comparing him to absolute legends of the game there are we ? He needs to be dispensed of asap

Spot on. This thing people have of defending Diaby by infering that he is only poor because of the Vieira comparisons is just rubbish. I've never likened him to Vieira, thay are nothing alike apart from the fact they are both tall, black and play in midfield.

Diaby is poor because he is poor, end of.

As I say he has his moments of genius but for fucks sake I have my moments of genius (we all do) on a 5 a side pitch or playing Sunday league - that doesn't entitle me to play for Arsenal in the PL.

Consistency is vital at that level and he has never shown any.

Another thing that gets on my tits is this thing alot of Gooners use to defend Walcott, Diaby, Denilson etc of saying "Well, they are still learning, thay are developing..."

The problem there is they SHOULD NOT BE LEARNING THEIR BASIC TRADE IN THE FIRST TEAM enmasse. They should learn in the youth team, then the reserves and then take what they have learned into the first team where they can improve on it and tweek it to perfection with regular games and by playing with senior, experienced players. They should be as near to the finished article as possible BEFORE they start playing in the first team. Sure you can take a chance on introducing one young inexperienced diamond in the rough (like Rooney at Everton or Cesc with us - they were exeptional talents) but you simply cannot carry 5 or 6 or 7 players like that all at once.

This thing Wenger has of playing too many players that are too raw, too young and patently not up to PL level, relying on potential to see them through, is madness.