Cesc Subregas

[I Hate Hleb]

Pay some money off the mortgage?

[SammyDroppedHisShorts]

Pay some money off the mortgage?

spot on....as always

[Naki_Gooner]

...not my work, but I agree with the sentiment after months of speculation. I've just had enough
No-one's bigger than the Arsenal!!



I'm sure Cesc will not have the time to read this, seeing as he is currently working hard in pre-season training, well he should be but he is currently sunning himself somewhere after his hard summer of mainly sitting on a bench in South Africa. I digress, Does he really think we are all stupid ?

YES Cesc we all know you are from Barcelona and love the club the area and love being a Catalan blah blah blah, which is why you left there at 16 years of age to come to London to train at The Arsenal. YES we know that one day you would love to play for the team your family follow and you followed as a boy, to be honest I would be the same about The Arsenal (If I was ever anywhere good enough). You have been given the honour, YES, IT IS A VERY BIG HONOUR to be named captain of The Arsenal and spent last season with a team built around you with the style of play that suits you the best and YES we have enjoyed seeing you perform for us.

But you have signed contract after contract at The Arsenal and taken higher and higher wage increases whilst you learn your trade. Whilst everyone at Barcelona from the president to the manager to ALL the players and even the old lady that makes the half-time tea's cat has been on record tapping you up, you remained silent on the issue until today's very open quotes. Well guess what, everyone's bored of it now, the club was here before you and will be here long after you leave, so it's time to either commit to the last contract you signed or fuck off quietly..ta.

source: http://www.fansonline.net/arsenal/article.php?id=519


... I appreciate Cesc's ambition to win trophies, but for the amount of time he's been at the Arsenal, I do think he should honour his contract (I know, I know contracts mean fuck all these days) if he loves the club as much as says. I think he's treating us like mugs.

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[franksav63]

Sell him.....it needs to be done...im fed up with this nigh on three month set of pressure tactics upon Fabregas. Its been a mare for Arsenal since we ended the season vs. Fulham. Plus i suppose he has had his head turned since the injury ironically at the hands of Puyol in the CL.

Time to count the money and watch our club do what they do best....

Agree with this Sammy, otherwise it's another ready made excuse for Wenger to use, when things start going wrong in the forthcoming campaign. (i.e. Cesc, our captain, unsettled, etc, etc, etc)

[augie]

I have said it before but I will say it again....it's time to sell him now In the same way that the club is bigger and more important than wenger so too does that apply to cesc. If we had of brought in some quality players then I think that cesc would have accepted wenger's stance and stayed another season but that hasnt been the case and now we see the very real possibility of having a very unhappy cesc leading us this season I dont blame the guy for wanting to leave and in fact if I was in his shoes I would want away this summer too but tbh the whole saga is beginning to leave a sour taste in the mouth now - I can understand him saying fcuk all while the move looked a possibility but to say nothing then and to choose to come out with comments like he did yesterday when the move has been ruled out is annoying me and can only destabilise the club further

[mikeyb772001]

I have said it before but I will say it again....it's time to sell him now In the same way that the club is bigger and more important than wenger so too does that apply to cesc. If we had of brought in some quality players then I think that cesc would have accepted wenger's stance and stayed another season but that hasnt been the case and now we see the very real possibility of having a very unhappy cesc leading us this season I dont blame the guy for wanting to leave and in fact if I was in his shoes I would want away this summer too but tbh the whole saga is beginning to leave a sour taste in the mouth now - I can understand him saying fcuk all while the move looked a possibility but to say nothing then and to choose to come out with comments like he did yesterday when the move has been ruled out is annoying me and can only destabilise the club further

Exactly right mate. I do think Cesc will be gone by the time we play Liverpool, if not he wont play for us again and will be sold by deadline day. We can all say that we have Wilshire and an excellent youth team that can come in and possibly fill his boots but not right away. This transformation will take 2-3 seasons at least to reach the heights’ that cesc has already achieved. 19 Goals and 19 assists is a massive task and clearly without that we would have finished way down the league last season. I am all for cesc being sold but Wenger needs to buy a REAL replacement and to be honest I am not even sure someone like Ozil would fill his boots.
If Cesc does go by deadline day and Weneger doesn’t replace him, it will be the biggest disgrace ever. I just hope this doesn’t happen as I don’t want to have to hate Wenger all year and join in with the constant boos every time we loose points this season.
If there is no midfielder good enough to replace him but a world class striker like Torres. One can only wish but sadly I see Cesc going and no other player coming in.

[augie]

Cesc wont be sold unless he demands a transfer and tbh I'm not even sure we will sell him then

Can anybody clarify the situation with the contract rules that uefa brought in a few seasons ago ? Am I right in saying that a player 3 years into his contract can buy himself out of it regardless of the club's wishes ? If so does that mean that cesc will be able to leave next summer anyway ? Again this is only guesswork but if that is the case and if cesc is on approx 100k per week then he/barca could buy out the remainder of his contract next summer for roughly 20m and that is a factor which should also be considered now too. Anyway I am not sure if this is indeed the case which is why I am asking for clarification

[rigsby]

The problem isn't that we wouldn't let him go, its that they simply can't match our valuation. Even if he demands a transfer, Arsenal will hold firm on it as they should. Had Barca bid say 60 million at the start of all this then he'ld have been off by then.

Anyway, as much as I love Cesc as a player, he can fuck off there.

[mikeyb772001]

The problem isn't that we wouldn't let him go, its that they simply can't match our valuation. Even if he demands a transfer, Arsenal will hold firm on it as they should. Had Barca bid say 60 million at the start of all this then he'ld have been off by then.

Anyway, as much as I love Cesc as a player, he can fuck off there.

What worries me is that Wenger has turned into a pussy. I honestly think if Cesc keeps asking him to go Wenger will give in and let him go and probably for way less than 60 mil.

[rigsby]

I personally don't think that. The club is smart enough to realise that to sell him for any less would lead the club open to a mass exodus of players at low low prices. Wenger could spin a big transfer fee for selling Cesc by investing in the team, but to let him go for a low amount, when he's coming into his peak years, would be disastrous for the entire club.

Plus tbh Wenger has shown in the years gone by that he's one of the hardest men to negotiate a move away with

[augie]

I personally don't think that. The club is smart enough to realise that to sell him for any less would lead the club open to a mass exodus of players at low low prices. Wenger could spin a big transfer fee for selling Cesc by investing in the team, but to let him go for a low amount, when he's coming into his peak years, would be disastrous for the entire club.

Plus tbh Wenger has shown in the years gone by that he's one of the hardest men to negotiate a move away with

It's funny that you should say that cos I was just about to put up a link that has some quotes from the arsehole that used to be barca president (joan gaspart) when he says that wenger plays hardball but always ends up selling - anybody think that he is setting up his successer to fail knowing that comments like these are more likely to galvanise wenger's insistance not to sell ? [/b]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 75,00.html

[mikeyb772001]

I personally don't think that. The club is smart enough to realise that to sell him for any less would lead the club open to a mass exodus of players at low low prices. Wenger could spin a big transfer fee for selling Cesc by investing in the team, but to let him go for a low amount, when he's coming into his peak years, would be disastrous for the entire club.

Plus tbh Wenger has shown in the years gone by that he's one of the hardest men to negotiate a move away with

It's funny that you should say that cos I was just about to put up a link that has some quotes from the arsehole that used to be barca president (joan gaspart) when he says that wenger plays hardball but always ends up selling - anybody think that he is setting up his successer to fail knowing that comments like these are more likely to galvanise wenger's insistance not to sell ? [/b]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 75,00.html

I read this also. I think wenger respects and loves Cesc to much to make him stay against his will. Barca knows this and that’s why they won’t pay anymore than 30 Mil.
I don’t think Wenger will really say no once Barca meet him and Cesc puts it in writing.
He will be gone by deadline day. Wenger can’t make Cesc stay and its obvious he really wants to go. Can’t blame him really. Wengers lack of ambition and his failure to buy proven players has cost us badly. This will carry on when Cesc leaves as he still won’t buy any players.
Come January or next Season, AA will want to go and an exodus of others.
When Barca do meet him as they say they will, Wenger will probably giggle and make stupid mumbelings like he did during his press confrence!

[rigsby]

Yes but it doesn't change the situation. Wenger will not let him go for any less than the valuation. Thus imo, Cesc will still be at Arsenal. Its like the whole Ronaldo-Real thing.

Plus you can't pin this on Wenger. Ronaldo fucked off to Real and he was in a top top team.

[mikeyb772001]

Yes but it doesn't change the situation. Wenger will not let him go for any less than the valuation. Thus imo, Cesc will still be at Arsenal. Its like the whole Ronaldo-Real thing.

Plus you can't pin this on Wenger. Ronaldo fucked off to Real and he was in a top top team.

I think we can pin it on him. Its obvious Cesc loves his home team and his family ect. However at the same time he loves us. But with the lack of ambition and the lack of good players to play alongside Cesc has had enough and i cant blame him.
Cesc now ways up the pros and cons and sees there are no pros at all about arsneal apart from him loving the fans. I feel cesc wouldnt of wanted to go Barca so soon if Wenger had more fucking ambition and stopped with the bollox experiment.

[augie]

Yes but it doesn't change the situation. Wenger will not let him go for any less than the valuation. Thus imo, Cesc will still be at Arsenal. Its like the whole Ronaldo-Real thing.

Plus you can't pin this on Wenger. Ronaldo fucked off to Real and he was in a top top team.

Agree totally with the valuation point you make and I totally agree that we should not accept less than 35m-40m but of course barca cant afford that hence the impasse that we now find ourselves however the onus is firmly on barca......if you want him it is time to put up or shut up

What I will say however is that wenger and the board are very much to blame for this scenario developing 12 months ahead of time - buy some quality players to play alongside cesc and you will see a totally refocused cesc but to continually ask him to carry dross like diaby, our keepers etc is just taking the piss with one of the best midfielders in the world right now Cesc went to wenger pre the world cup seeking reassurances from wenger that he was going to make serious inroads to seriously upgrade in key area's and the feedback he received from wenger convinced him that things were not going to change anytime soon and transfer activity since has backed up that feeling