Finally!!! An Englishman comes out and tells the truth..

Gilles Grimandi · Post by **Gilles Grimandi** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:49 pm

Gilles Grimandi would like to state that Radford149 really cracks him up and loves the way he gets to a lot of posters.

Gilles Grimandi is a W&G drinker and if he ever finds out who Radford149 is, will buy him a pint!

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:52 pm

As if having Radford on their side isn't bad enough, Sky Sports News have dug up Dave Bassett - who hasn't managed for years and is one of the architects of this kind of football; and Danny 'shit player' Mills - the renowned thug - trying to defend the tactics of Alladyce, Pulis and McCarthy claiming that we shouldn't change the British game.

What next? The Pope condoning the non-use of condoms because although they protect against disease and saves lives, 'it doesn't feel the same when you're having sex' with one on?!!

RNTGOONER · Post by **RNTGOONER** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:59 pm

BT wrote:BT would like to suggest it was a different game then, with different pitches (that didnt hold the leg static for so long), different boots (likewise) and not played at nearly as fast a pace. The speed at which the game is now played means the impact is that much more when it does hit. It also means quick technical players like Eduardo suddenly change course by which time oafish defenders like Taylor are far too late. And thats before we even get started on the different body-mass of todays players.

I'm not sure I ever saw an Arsenal defender run half the pitch to take out a player at the half way line in the tenth minute a la Karl Henry again and again. Nor did they have nothing else to offer but brutish force - they were all great players too.

rntgooner suggests that bt look at this link below starting at 16:00 minutes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_2/

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:03 pm

Quality.

Radford149 · Post by **Radford149** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:19 pm

BT wrote:BT would like to suggest it was a different game then, with different pitches (that didnt hold the leg static for so long), different boots (likewise) and not played at nearly as fast a pace. The speed at which the game is now played means the impact is that much more when it does hit. It also means quick technical players like Eduardo suddenly change course by which time oafish defenders like Taylor are far too late. And thats before we even get started on the different body-mass of todays players.

I'm not sure I ever saw an Arsenal defender run half the pitch to take out a player at the half way line in the tenth minute a la Karl Henry again and again. Nor did they have nothing else to offer but brutish force - they were all great players too.

radford can see what you're saying but his point is that Arsenal players are not adverse to getting stuck in to the oppo. and this rose tinted view that we are and have always been the nice guys is fiction.

it may have been a "different" game then but a bad tackle is still a bad tackle a la dixon,williams,winterburn, richardson etc

BT · Post by BT » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:25 pm

RNTGOONER wrote:
BT wrote:BT would like to suggest it was a different game then, with different pitches (that didnt hold the leg static for so long), different boots (likewise) and not played at nearly as fast a pace. The speed at which the game is now played means the impact is that much more when it does hit. It also means quick technical players like Eduardo suddenly change course by which time oafish defenders like Taylor are far too late. And thats before we even get started on the different body-mass of todays players.

I'm not sure I ever saw an Arsenal defender run half the pitch to take out a player at the half way line in the tenth minute a la Karl Henry again and again. Nor did they have nothing else to offer but brutish force - they were all great players too.

rntgooner suggests that bt look at this link below starting at 16:00 minutes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_2/

Yeah, I look a bit like her too

RoscommonGooner · Post by **RoscommonGooner** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:40 pm

RNTGOONER wrote:
BT wrote:BT would like to suggest it was a different game then, with different pitches (that didnt hold the leg static for so long), different boots (likewise) and not played at nearly as fast a pace. The speed at which the game is now played means the impact is that much more when it does hit. It also means quick technical players like Eduardo suddenly change course by which time oafish defenders like Taylor are far too late. And thats before we even get started on the different body-mass of todays players.

I'm not sure I ever saw an Arsenal defender run half the pitch to take out a player at the half way line in the tenth minute a la Karl Henry again and again. Nor did they have nothing else to offer but brutish force - they were all great players too.

rntgooner suggests that bt look at this link below starting at 16:00 minutes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_2/

Is that the one from Tuesday night where "Gabby Logan" is interviewing "Charlie George"? If it is then quality

*No offence BT, I know your a very knowledgeable poster

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:13 pm

What this debate illustrates is why nothing will get done anytime soon.

Radford as much as it pains to say it has a point. Every club has had players who have made bad tackles.. The issue now is do we tolerate any clubs teaching that type of poor and dangerous tackling anymore.

And as seen in the defensive reaction of our own supporters to Redford's views, as well as the obvious fact that we are that much more concerned (and quite rightly so)given how many of our players have been recent victims of these tackles, we still see and judge good and bad tackling too often based on who the bad tackler in question plays for.

In fairness it's obvious that is not true of all of us as the threads opened on incidents involving players at other clubs suffering similar misfortunes shows, but clearly many here still see what a good and bad tackle are based on who makes them against who. And with that attitude even more prevalent at other clubs - especially clubs whose players have suffered from these awful tackles, there is no way to build a consensus of supporters from all clubs to seek action even if they agree amongst themselves that action is needed and required for the good of football.

The attitude seen in the latest Liverpool thread is why. It's fine to take the piss and all of that , but we often go too far. This applies to every club's supporters, and an animosity and distrust builds between supporter bases that makes working together for a common goal in everyone's interest like trying to minimize the number of horrific injuries from bad and reckless tackling impossible even though every club and its supporters ultimately would benefit the same.

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:15 pm

I have too agree with Radford.I started following football in the late 60's when every team had a "hard" man.We had Peter Storey.Liverpool Tommy Smith,Chelsea Chopper Harris the Spuds Dave Mackay and Leeds all 11

And they set out to kick the opposition out of the ground.Storey was an Arsenal hero

Henry and Shawcross are not hard compared to them

I rememeber that game at Highbury Flash is talking about when Bouldy "took out" Hirst on the half way line.And we all cheered.No one at Arsenal was complaining when we had Vieira Petit Adams Bould Keown Lauren and Grimandi sticking the boot in for US

And who was it who broke Nasri's leg last year? a certain Diaby in fucking training

This has only come about since Wenger stopped buying players who could look after themselves and buying lightweight players.Can you imagine Old Trafford 2003 happening with these bunch of players?

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:24 pm

theres a difference between going in to careless tackles and being physical. footballs changed since the seventies. Its now a technical game and players like storey, bremner and co wouldn't be allowed to go in like that

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:07 pm

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:theres a difference between going in to careless tackles and being physical. footballs changed since the seventies. Its now a technical game and players like storey, bremner and co wouldn't be allowed to go in like that

What have you taken this morning as we agree yet again

I think the game has moved on to such a degree that while obviously I wasn't watching MOTD regularly in 1968, I have seen enough old footage and the like to see how far removed the football of that era was from this era. Not only is the game more technical, but while I would not dismiss the athleticism of the players of that era, the players today are so much more highly developed as athletes as well as technicians its astounding.

The problem today is while English football is full of far more technicians than artisans and the artisan struggles to find any footballing home on the continent the artisan is stll happily welcomed here. The problem being that in the more technical game suited the better athlete, the artisan can't adequately compete and thus well, these horror tackles and shocker challenges become inevitable from them. It's all these sorts of players are truly capable of, so long as they are allowed to do that. If they were not allowed yes some could not compete for a career in football but there are some I'm sure could make the transistion form artisan to technician if they had no other choice but to do so.

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:14 pm

You're slowing converting the forum one by one!!

At this rate we'll all be USMartin fans by the time the stadium debt is paid off!!

OneBardGooner · Post by **OneBardGooner** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:52 pm

Vince wrote:Ian Wright said something similar:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... ch-KO.html

I've been calling for this to be implemented for feckin' yonks.....
sadly it's still not enough...Eduardo will never be the same player again..

But that C U N T Taylor is still free to ply his thuggery at watford...

That twat Mcliesh is a nasty fecker too - he's just as bad as fat walruscunto allardyce, pulis and the rest of em...

Personally I think the culprit should also have the word C U N T tattoed on his forehead in BIG letters...

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:58 pm

I Hate Hleb wrote:You're slowing converting the forum one by one!! At this rate we'll all be USMartin fans by the time the stadium debt is paid off!!

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:38 pm

I Hate Hleb wrote:You're slowing converting the forum one by one!! At this rate we'll all be USMartin fans by the time the stadium debt is paid off!!

Go back to the Liverpool drop Points Thread

Shall we do a case study "I Hate Hleb and the Law of Unintended Consequnces" ?

DEAR GOD MY TYPING IS SHIT