When will we next win the League?

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:57 pm

TeeCee wrote:Go start your own thread Martin, I'm not interested in your bullshit thanks.

You're the one spouting bullshit, TeeCee. Prove your conviction/. You won't try because you know you can't. The fact is you simply would rather blame the manager than the Board, and the truth means nothing to you.

I'd be glad to admit I'm wrong if that's the ceas. Bet my bank account you would rather eat shit than ever admit you were wrong.

Why do you want to protect the people really making the decisions at the heart of your disappoint and blame others who aren't making those decisions. Just afraid to anger the wealthy folk? Or just afraid that maybe they don't care after all?

The bottom line is we won't win the League as long as the Board persisit with their policies no matter who the manager is. Saying anything else is frankly a almost dishionest since I am sure you know this deep down. And unless you have some direct evidence to the contrary other than the Board saying money is available to spend" over and over and obviously convincing you that is true if you believe that I suggest you are deliberately blaming someone you know is not responsible for the situation because you are unwilling to blame thiose who are.

Of course even with that evideice why haven't they then sacked the manager who refuses to spend the money they want him to?

I think blaming someone you know is not at fault is distasteful and even immature.

So who is the one spouting the bullshit here? You are.And if I were wrong you wouldn't hesitate for one second to prove it, would you? I know I would. PM me the proof even if that will salve your anger.

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:03 pm

Im trying to be nice and tolerant with you US but seriously have a day off.Its every fucking thread now.All you are doing is getting people pissed off at you.

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:04 pm

Put spending on transfers, wages, etc to the side for a minute.

Basics such as a top class goalkeeper, another decent defensive midfielder and a new defensive coach will go a long way to help us win the league.

Will we see these under Wenger?

Quite possibly the goalkeeper and the defensive midfielder but not sure at all about a defensive coach.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:09 pm

mcdowell42 wrote:Im trying to be nice and tolerant with you US but seriously have a day off.Its every fucking thread now.All you are doing is getting people pissed off at you.

Whatever - shame so amny would rather get pissed at anyone but the people letting them down perhaps solely to enrich themselves fiurther.

Why are people afraid to question the Board's role in this? Why can't you explain this?

Why do we need to pretend there are other problems. Are we that afraid of the truth?

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:14 pm

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:02 pm

Martin,
Fact is, you've refused to listen to reasons in previous posts so why keep asking the same questions in every single thread? Learn to listen and change the record mate, you are tedious, boring and plainly quite stupid.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:30 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:Put spending on transfers, wages, etc to the side for a minute.

Basics such as a top class goalkeeper, another decent defensive midfielder and a new defensive coach will go a long way to help us win the league.

Will we see these under Wenger?

Quite possibly the goalkeeper and the defensive midfielder but not sure at all about a defensive coach.

The problem is you simply can't put that on hold unless you know for a fact that the money actaully is available and the wage structure will be modified to allow for pursuing the players we need, whatever needs have to be addressed.

Otherwise whether we would enter the transfer market or focus on pursuing Bosman free transfers we are severly limited in just who we can pursue. Meaning that maybe we spend about what we have spending on simply replacing players of limited quality with other players of limited quality which is an exercise in futility.

We may just have to spend some more money than we seem willing to spend to get those players we may agree are needed, but if we do spend that additional money and adpat a real wage structure instead of what we have which works more like a self-imposed salary cap we can can get them. We got them form 1998-2005 and we paid them well enough to keep them as long as we desired and the silverware one eased the concerns of those who felt under-paid then.

As long as we are unwilling to invest more not only won't Mr. Wenger be able to get those players but no other manager at Arsenal will either. Do you - does anyone - actually believe otherwise? This isn't amatuer football. We all have to buy the League - the difference is where we shop. Some clubs shop at Harrod's, we shop at Walmart even though we have far more money than those other clubs which makes that a bit ridiculous really.

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:34 pm

we're gonna win the league, we're gonna win the league
and now your gonna believe us and now your gonna believe us
and now your gonna believe us
we're gonna win the league

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:37 pm

TeeCee wrote:Martin,
Fact is, you've refused to listen to reasons in previous posts so why keep asking the same questions in every single thread? Learn to listen and change the record mate, you are tedious, boring and plainly quite stupid.

TeeCee grow up and admit you are afraid to discuss this. Otherwise answer me. It's easier to blame the manager than the Board for you and that is that. The truth is irrelevant in your view obviously.

People who try to pretend there are other problems and ignore the real issues are not boring and tedious but engaged in willful denial because they are unable and unwilling to deal with reality.

The bottom line is listening to you I sometimes wonder if maybe we deserve no more than this because too many of us aren't willing to say we do deserve a bit more.

Maybe you ought ot change the record since your entire record is SACK WENGER so what if he's not to blame and the problems continue?

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:38 pm

mcdowell42 wrote:FFS

I guess I was right - it's easier to get pissed at anyone but the people who might actually be to blame

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:42 pm

No one on this site is afraid to discuss "The Board".

Quite the opposite.
They are part of the picture of course. Tons of Forum posters have got involved in the Board discussions since USMartin started regularly bringing the subject.

But after about 100+ pages of discussing them I reckon most people just want to get back to talking about football on the pitch, as opposed to off the pitch.

frankbutcher · Post by **frankbutcher** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:47 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:No one on this site is afraid to discuss "The Board".

Quite the opposite.
They are part of the picture of course. Tons of Forum posters have got involved in the Board discussions since USMartin started regularly bringing the subject.

But after about 100+ pages of discussing them I reckon most people just want to get back to talking about football on the pitch, as opposed to off the pitch.

The thing is Martin is that much of what you write is conjecture. I've agreed with you and disagreed with you in the past. Your problem is that you won't give up until everyone absolutely agrees with you on every point. Is it an ego thing?

You don't know the truth - it's impossible as you don't work for the Club, or deal with it. I'll tell you something - I know far more about what goes on at the Club than you'll ever do. Why? Because I've sat in the Board room when Edleman was negotiating with the Banks for Highbury. I'm not going to say anything more than that, because it's confidential information. But I can tell you now that you don't know it all.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:00 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:No one on this site is afraid to discuss "The Board".

Quite the opposite.
They are part of the picture of course. Tons of Forum posters have got involved in the Board discussions since USMartin started regularly bringing the subject.

But after about 100+ pages of discussing them I reckon most people just want to get back to talking about football on the pitch, as opposed to off the pitch.

This sin't simply discussing football and saying who do you rate though.

As I say we all are in denial when talking about anything that ignores the reality of things.

Look at the question you posed about getting the players you listed as needed purchases. How do you have serious honest debate or even discussion on that question if you ignore the reality surrounding the circumstances? Seriously, we end up sounding like Peter and his friends on Family guy during their little "discussions".

I don't honesly know how you can any sort of serious discussion when ignoring reality is a requirement to join it. I don't know why anyone would want to even.

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:05 pm

The finances have been discussed at length.

All that has been agreed is that there is a good profit for the club, and that there is money to spend but it has not been spent in any great amount of late, even though we all agree the squad needs to be stronger.

Some see the reasons for lack of spending as sinister.

Others see the reasons as infrastructure improvement and recession leading to financial prudence, and managerial priority on youth development.

DISCUSSION DONE!

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:08 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:The finances have been discussed at length.

All that has been agreed is that there is a good profit for the club, and that there is money to spend but it has not been spent in any great amount of late, even though we all agree the squad needs to be stronger.

Some like USMartin see the reasons behind that as sinister, others such as myself see financial prudence and managerial priority on youth development as the reasons for lack of significant spending.

Discussion done!

If only it was that easy