As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
OG what would make you say AW must go? Relegation? We know we're not as bad as the scum but as 73,000,000,000,001 posts on here have said ( and I think you might have posted 1 or 2) we could have won the league in almost all of the last 5 seasons if AW wasn't such a stubborn *word censored*.
g88ner wrote:I don't want Wenger to resign - and of course, neither do the board. Wenger has only recently signed a new contract, so like it or not... he's staying.
Can't believe we're only 2pts behind Chelsea still - I'm not convinced we have the mental strength, concentration nor the bottle to win the league, and will find a way to screw it up even if ManUre and Chelsea lose 10 on the trot... but it doesn't quite sit right with me that people are calling for the managers head even though we were 45minutes from going top of the league as we approach December! - in theory, that's not a bad position to be in, and when you consider the financial 'doping' (as Wenger calls it) of our rivals, then it's even more amazing.
Still, I can understand the calls for his head, even if I won't join them.
As ever yours is a totally reasonable & sensible point of view g88ner. But regardless of whether we’re 2 points behind or 20 it’s the recurring nightmares that have pushed people over the edge. How many times can the same problems repeat themselves before the common denominator pays the price? It’s not just what’s happened, it’s the fact that you just don’t see any way they’re not gonna keep happening. Again & again. Points-wise we’re still in the title race but at this stage of the season it’s less about points-difference & more about the reality of what’s to come. Bolton are only 4 points behind us but I seriously doubt they have much chance of finishing above us. As far as the Wenger debate goes I’m more concerned with the difference between the # of points we have, and the amount we could have had with some basic corrections of fundamental problems.
Chelsea are weaker than since pre-Mourinho, Utd are relatively poor but we’re still unable to take advantage. If you forget “financial-dopingâ€
I can totally understand people calling for the managers head, even if I don't agree with them.
We're a very frustrating team, and this serious mental problem we have when it comes to concentration, desire and focus is maddening. I'm sick to death of it, and the arrogance of them at times when they feel games are won is difficult to accept - they've won fuck all, so where's the desire and focus? - they thought the game was won and swicthed off, whereas against West Brom they just assumed they'd win without trying it's an ugly trait that is totally unacceptable.
Wenger is the common denominator, and he should be accountable for the arrogance and mental weakness of his players - after all, this is his team. Tactically naive, mentally weak and disguntingly arrogant.
Yet despite this, they are hugely talented and that's the annoying part. They're letting themselves down because they have enough in their locker to win this bloody league. They can wipe the floor of most teams, and have shown that when they focus and behave with humility and desire, they CAN dig deep and win games.
Yes, Wenger has many faults - and sadly that's been passed onto his players - but he's here to stay, and all is not lost. For most games, I've been very happy with the focus and desire - it's just the odd game when they seem to believe their own hype and take their eye of the ball. Wenger NEEDS to keep them motivated and focused - but he cant... and I can't understand why?? - do they respect Wenger enough? do they care about trophies?? or are they just idiots??? - whichever answer you choose, it's very worrying.
That’s the point though, I was posting those bolded parts almost word for word throughout the 08/09 season, as I’m sure you were too & countless others on here. Several players have come & gone since but nothing’s changed. The only difference between today & the 4-4 game was that a) there was even more warning it was on the cards (before they even got the first back) and b) this time we didn’t even hang on for a draw. The WBA game was similar to the Hull game of 2 years ago, the Newcastle game came a matter of weeks after the WBA game & today’s collapse from 2-0 up came less than a week after we got away with it against Everton.
If we accept we’re clearly showing no signs at all of learning these lessons, and that we’re never gonna achieve anything without learning them then surely you have to look at why we’re not learning them & who’s responsible. And if we both agree on who that is then I just cant understand why you wouldn’t think his time is up. At this point that just seems a similar ostrich approach to Wenger’s own - ie seeing the problem but for some reason not wanting to do what’s necessary to fix it. If it’s that you think it would be problematic to sack him mid-season when replacements might not be immediately available then I could see the point. But I cant see what other justification there would be for stopping Chippy swinging his axe right now. Not only would we put Wenger out his misery we'd also probably save a prostitute.
worthing gooner wrote:Same old Knee jerk reactions.
Still in it people deal with it!!!!!
you my friend are a grade a mug,
knee jerk reation? Thats twice spurs have done it to us! I suggest you get you head out of wengers arse.
Well due to such an educated opinion i will state this.
Teams all over this division are dropping points and we are sitting 3 points off the pace.. From the top of the table, not the bottom.
So what if the vermin have had their day in the sun.3 points lost.
Next Braga.
I came home drunk, fell asleep and thought it was all a evil dream.
Nothing more i can say apart from i hate that *word censored*! 1993 was the last time they beat us at home. Slowly the scum are taking us over and Wenger is letting it happen. Over the last few seasons they have fucked us over big time and done us when its been important. They have been the better team end of. Wenger dont give a shit as he gets wages no matter what and we will carry signing his kids and acting as a father figure. FUCKING *word censored*!!! FUCK OFF!
Today was bad enough and then at the end 2 dick head Gooners turned on me for abusing Wenger! "how can you abuse him for what he has done for us"
It got quite nasty as the guys mate wanted to kick off and i was standing there for thr first time about to have a fight with a fellow gooner!!!!
Never in my 19 years of going Arsenal have i felt like that
Thank you mr Wenger , now get your coat and fuck off back to France. And take all the sheep in the grove with you.
mikeyb772001 wrote:I came home drunk, fell asleep and thought it was all a evil dream.
Nothing more i can say apart from i hate that c**t! 1993 was the last time they beat us at home. Slowly the scum are taking us over and Wenger is letting it happen. Over the last few seasons they have fucked us over big time and done us when its been important. They have been the better team end of. Wenger dont give a shit as he gets wages no matter what and we will carry signing his kids and acting as a father figure. FUCKING c**t!!! FUCK OFF!
Today was bad enough and then at the end 2 dick head Gooners turned on me for abusing Wenger! "how can you abuse him for what he has done for us"
It got quite nasty as the guys mate wanted to kick off and i was standing there for thr first time about to have a fight with a fellow gooner!!!!
Never in my 19 years of going Arsenal have i felt like that
Thank you mr Wenger , now get your coat and fuck off back to France. And take all the sheep in the grove with you.
You didnt come over to the Gunners pre match?
On your point about slating Wenger, after the final whistle I said something along the lines of 'enough is enough Wenger, fuck off' and the guy infront of me looked mortified. WTF!?
I was a rosetinter before and I hold my hands up, but I have finally woken up.
When will these people wake up and realise this *word censored* is leading us into a dead end? Clinging to the hope we win something and they can all say 'We told you he'd lead us to glory'
If we do ever win anything with him, I can't see it being a regular occurrence which just isn't good enough.
mikeyb772001 wrote:I came home drunk, fell asleep and thought it was all a evil dream.
Nothing more i can say apart from i hate that c**t! 1993 was the last time they beat us at home. Slowly the scum are taking us over and Wenger is letting it happen. Over the last few seasons they have fucked us over big time and done us when its been important. They have been the better team end of. Wenger dont give a shit as he gets wages no matter what and we will carry signing his kids and acting as a father figure. FUCKING c**t!!! FUCK OFF!
Today was bad enough and then at the end 2 dick head Gooners turned on me for abusing Wenger! "how can you abuse him for what he has done for us"
It got quite nasty as the guys mate wanted to kick off and i was standing there for thr first time about to have a fight with a fellow gooner!!!!
Never in my 19 years of going Arsenal have i felt like that
Thank you mr Wenger , now get your coat and fuck off back to France. And take all the sheep in the grove with you.
You didnt come over to the Gunners pre match?
On your point about slating Wenger, after the final whistle I said something along the lines of 'enough is enough Wenger, fuck off' and the guy infront of me looked mortified. WTF!?
I was a rosetinter before and I hold my hands up, but I have finally woken up.
When will these people wake up and realise this c**t is leading us into a dead end? Clinging to the hope we win something and they can all say 'We told you he'd lead us to glory'
If we do ever win anything with him, I can't see it being a regular occurrence which just isn't good enough.
I was at the gunners but outside!
I dont think we will ever win anything with him.
Fuck of Wenger, fuck off directors & Fuck off numptes & tarquins, thank fuck I won't be giving any more cash to the club that WAS Arsenal FC.
Go to hell Wenger you *word censored*!
I hate what a once great club has become & want nothing to do with the Wenger project & directors buidling more apartments whilst paying *word censored* AKA shit players silly money to play for our once great club
I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!
Let's get things straight, I don't believe for one second that we have the god given right to win the League, the Cup or even a poxy match against the scum. A few seasons ago if we lost a game against ManU you would have heard me calling the mancs every name under the sun but you would not have heard one word against our players. Because they fought hard and lost and that is something a fan can be proud of.
There is no dishonour in falling short because of lack of funds, talent or luck. but what I cannot accept is falling short because a Frenchman wants his team to play a game that simply does not exist. What we saw in the second half today was a collection of more than capable players in the hands of what is now a far less than capable manager.
Monsieur Wenger is always saying that his players have spirit. Where was the spirit today? Because I certainly couldn't see any. Spirit is not playing with a smile on your face when you're 4-0 up against blackburn on a sunny day in August. Spirit running your heart out on the last day of the season when it seems all but certain that you are destined to lose out on the title on goal difference, and fighting with all your strength for that last goal that will put you over the top. You all know the players I'm alluding to, they had spirit. Our current crop do not.
I am not blaming our current players for this lack of spirit, for spirit is not something you are born with, It is something that must be instilled. Those men that toppled the scouse empire over 2 decades ago did so in a climate where the other side were not the opponents, they were the enemy. Winning was everything, and if the press didn't like our style then they could go and fuck themselves.
But spirit and talent must be tempered with discipline. Look at a diagram of a 4-5-1 formation, ostensibly the formation that we play in. Does it even remotely resemble what our team looks like from above? like fuck it does. It looks like what it is, a fucking mess. There is enough space between our centre backs to park a bus with room spare to build a bus factory in which you can assemble another two buses to fill up the left over space. Our full backs spend most of their time on the wrong side of the half way line and our holding midfielder seems to have taken up residence on the edge of the other team's penalty area.
Again this is not the fault of our players, they play where they are told to play, the lack of any kind of a plan is the fault of only one man.
I'm not even going to go into the number of points his hare brained substitutions have cost us.
The long and short of it is this, our once great Manager in his senile delirium believes that pure talent on its own is enough to win trophies, It never has been and it never will be. And that is why he is sadly no longer fit to be manager.
The call for Wenger to resign isn't based on yesterday's sickening loss but the combination of bad buys,no tactic's ,faith in average players,spewing bollocks,being out of touch for the last 3/4 seasons.
Everyone in the game knows we struggle against high balls into the box for a couple of seasons so we rumoured to be buying Mertesacker but what we get!!! we pay millions on 2 UNKNOWN average french nobodies!!!!
Last season we go 3/4 months without a striker but in January instead of buying or loaning a striker he resigns Campbell,luckily it worked out,but uses the midget AA as striker????Hindsight is great but whose to say if he got a quality striker (not Chamakh as i said quality) we MIGHT have won the P/L.
That's just 2 occasions but there have been numerous f**k up's that other quality coaches wouldn't have made but Wenger has,it seems to me that his golden touch of 1998-2004 has gone and believe a new prospective is needed.
Exiled-Gooner wrote:The call for Wenger to resign isn't based on yesterday's sickening loss but the combination of bad buys,no tactic's ,faith in average players,spewing bollocks,being out of touch for the last 3/4 seasons.
Nailed it. This is not a knee jerk reaction to losing to our biggest rivals its what has been happening over the last 4 seasons.The shambles of not having a quality keeper,the failure of signings in january when he had a chance to win the title in 08 and last season.The awarding of long term contracts to average players Denilson,Diaby,Eboue and Bender.The lack of any plan B. The lack of any tactics.No tactical substitutions till 70 mins.
- I'm not convinced we have the mental strength, concentration nor the bottle to win the league, and will find a way to screw it up even if ManUre and Chelsea lose 10 on the trot... but it doesn't quite sit right with me that people are calling for the managers head even though we were 45minutes from going top of the league as we approach December!
- in theory, that's not a bad position to be in, and when you consider the financial 'doping' (as Wenger calls it) of our rivals, then it's even more amazing.
it's an ugly trait that is totally unacceptable.
