RESIGN NOW

[Batflyer]

I can't believe my eyes. To everyone who says Wenger is a c*nt: please grow up FFS! We're still only two points behind Chelsea and it's only November! It doesn't get any better if the best manager in our club history resigns before we're even halfway through the season!

Just have a look at Chelsea. They were outplayed by Sunderland at their own ground! We've had a really bad game against West Brom and Newcastle had one shot on goal that went in. I must admit I haven't seen the Spurs game on Saturday, but I don't think that we played that bad.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that losing against Spurs is the worst nightmare most Arsenal fans can have. But hey! Are they title challengers? We don't think so, do we? Let's just stay positive. Only two points behind Chelsea and there are still months ahead of us to close that gap.

[kgw129]

If they were the better team and won, then I can understand your request (not that I agree with it), but we were the better team, we got to more chances, we controlled the play. They were shit and they won, we were good and we lost. That's fucking football!

I'm gutted and sick, I am on the verge of tears and feel like throwing up, but FFS, any other day, we would have won 4-0, we didn't and we lost, but we're still 2 points from the top, and sp*rs are still a shite side.

Stop that bullshit, we'll find our home form soon, and we can make this season better than the last ones.

Yes but that is why Wenger is so BLOODY FRUSTRATING!!!!!!!!!! We are the better side time and time again yet we fail to win matches that we should win easily and consequently do not win trophies. We are not top right now because we could not beat 2 newly promoted sides at home in West Brom and Newcastle and could not hold on to a 2-0 half time lead against Spurs. If we had done these things we would now be 7 points clear at the top of the table. Pathetic is not the word. Please nobody try and say it is because of a lack of spending or investment (including US Martin!). It is down to one person - the manager. It is due to the simple things like organisation. For example not being able to defend free kicks (2 of the Spurs goals were from free kicks - remember the Alex goal for Chelsea - not to mention that we cannot take them ourselves). I maintain that these players are good enough to win the league this year but they will not because the manager misses so many things that are obvious to the rest of us and relatively straightforward fro a decent manager to rectify which results in us simply refusing to overtake Chelsea despite being given numerous opportunities to do so. I am inclined to think that nothing will change unless the manager does first and so I agree with the resignation option.

[goonersid]

If they were the better team and won, then I can understand your request (not that I agree with it), but we were the better team, we got to more chances, we controlled the play. They were shit and they won, we were good and we lost. That's fucking football!

I'm gutted and sick, I am on the verge of tears and feel like throwing up, but FFS, any other day, we would have won 4-0, we didn't and we lost, but we're still 2 points from the top, and sp*rs are still a shite side.

Stop that bullshit, we'll find our home form soon, and we can make this season better than the last ones.

Yes but that is why Wenger is so BLOODY FRUSTRATING!!!!!!!!!! We are the better side time and time again yet we fail to win matches that we should win easily and consequently do not win trophies. We are not top right now because we could not beat 2 newly promoted sides at home in West Brom and Newcastle and could not hold on to a 2-0 half time lead against Spurs. If we had done these things we would now be 7 points clear at the top of the table. Pathetic is not the word. Please nobody try and say it is because of a lack of spending or investment (including US Martin!). It is down to one person - the manager. It is due to the simple things like organisation. For example not being able to defend free kicks (2 of the Spurs goals were from free kicks - remember the Alex goal for Chelsea - not to mention that we cannot take them ourselves). I maintain that these players are good enough to win the league this year but they will not because the manager misses so many things that are obvious to the rest of us and relatively straightforward fro a decent manager to rectify which results in us simply refusing to overtake Chelsea despite being given numerous opportunities to do so. I am inclined to think that nothing will change unless the manager does first and so I agree with the resignation option.

Agreed, it's that old failing "tactics" or more the lack of them.

[tinpot lane]

Calm down. The other fan was, judging by your description, the one in the wrong and I was also wrong because I keep confusing you with goonersid, I don't know why and thus my comment was unfair, so I am sorry.

At what point did I say Spurs had more money? I said a lot of money. Which they do as they are (somehow) a rich club. Apparently you can't read my post properly and so you call me a moron for it? Come now, if we are going to call me a moron, at least have the courtesty of doing it for the mistaking you for goonersid rather then for saying "Spurs have cash". Yes Spurs do have good players, else they wouldn't have a final or two recently, 4th spot last season and beaten Inter Milan. Gomes despite his poor form at the moment, King when fit, Gallas, Bale, Huddlestone, Modric, Lennon, Defoe, VdV, their Russian striker are good or better players.

They aren't so much in our shadows anymore as Spurs have stopped mucking up. They are finally spending their money wisely, they have a good manager (as long as board ensure he doesn't overspend) and lots of good players. We can't stop them making assaults on CL spots or beating Inter Milan. So far, if rather close at times, we have remained ahead just but even if we (by some miracle) win the league, that gap between Arsenal and Spurs will continue to be a lot tighter then it once was simply because Spurs are a lot better side now then they have been for years. Spurs are less in Chelsea's shadow as well, Man City less in Man U's and that's not due to Ferguson or Ancelotti either.

Why would we buy a Real Madrid reserve who struggled to get into the Dutch starting line up when we have Nasri, Arshavin, Cesc, Van Persie, Walcott, Chamakh (as bad a day as he had against Spurs, he is still our top scorer this season), Bendtner among others? We scored twice against Spurs, it isn't their fault that our "defence" conceded three. Having yet another attacking player would not have changed the game, having a defence that didn't concede stupid goals was what we needed. That's the problem, our attacking players can score goals but it matters for nothing if we then concede more.

Spot on. I'm am pretty happy with the strike force we posses, and see no reason for us to strengthen in that area, of course it would be nice but at the moment it's not a problem and not something that needs addressing. Defensively is where we struggle, and struggle is putting it lightly. I made this point towards the end of last about the type of goals we concede, and Saturday was the perfectly example. We don't concede wonder goals. Nearly every goal we have conceded this season has been the result of a catastrophic error or an absolutely gift. Spurs didn't have to work hard to score Saturday, and many teams won't throughout the season untill Arsene stops being so ignorant,.

I don’t agree we still need a real striker and we have never replaced Henry. 178 goals in roughly 254 games with 77 assists. Would we of won the leagues’ without Henry? Don’t think so. Was there anyone in the team who wanted to win and score goals as much as Henry? I don’t think so. He led by example and this reflected to others. Who in the team does that now, where is the passion now. How many players are there fighting to score that actually have the real ability to do so. Cham and Nasri can try all they like to score but they are not consistent clinical world class match winners. They are both quality players but the team is screaming out for a match winner again.
We urgently need more attacking options. I would sell most of the players in a shot.
All we do is walk around the ball with no end product when it matters. Who was it back in the day when were 2.0 up against a team in the corner flag wasting time? It was Henry, he wanted to win, he had passion and that is what happens when you have a star attacking striker.
Drogba is of the same mould and if it wasn’t for him the chavs would not have won the league the way they do.
Manure had Rooney and they would not have won the league without him.

How anyone can say we don’t need a striker is beyond me? Don’t you know your history????

Alan Smith - 30 goals a season striker - League!

Wrighty - 30 goals a season - League!

Henry - 30 goals a season - League

3 generations of striker and 3 generations of winning the league.

Now we have no striker of that nature and no leauge title since!

Yep lets stick with AA23, Theo, TR, Bendy, Vela, RVP half a season superstar 15-20 goal a season legend to score us 30 goals a season.

Lets not forget back in the day when we had a 30 goal a season striker like Smith, Wright and Henry we had Merson, Campbell, Freddie, Pires, Limpar, Anelka , Dennis and others that scored alongside!!!!

Nope we don’t need any more attacking players, the ones we have are great!!!!!

We score enough goals to win games, we always have and will continue to do so. Which is why I'm not worried about that aspect of our game.

[skipper]

I can't believe my eyes. To everyone who says Wenger is a c*nt: please grow up FFS! We're still only two points behind Chelsea and it's only November! It doesn't get any better if the best manager in our club history resigns before we're even halfway through the season!

Just have a look at Chelsea. They were outplayed by Sunderland at their own ground! We've had a really bad game against West Brom and Newcastle had one shot on goal that went in. I must admit I haven't seen the Spurs game on Saturday, but I don't think that we played that bad.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that losing against Spurs is the worst nightmare most Arsenal fans can have. But hey! Are they title challengers? We don't think so, do we? Let's just stay positive. Only two points behind Chelsea and there are still months ahead of us to close that gap.

Well, if you think that Arsenal are title challengers, then you have to say so are the Spurs...

[mikeyb772001]

Calm down. The other fan was, judging by your description, the one in the wrong and I was also wrong because I keep confusing you with goonersid, I don't know why and thus my comment was unfair, so I am sorry.

At what point did I say Spurs had more money? I said a lot of money. Which they do as they are (somehow) a rich club. Apparently you can't read my post properly and so you call me a moron for it? Come now, if we are going to call me a moron, at least have the courtesty of doing it for the mistaking you for goonersid rather then for saying "Spurs have cash". Yes Spurs do have good players, else they wouldn't have a final or two recently, 4th spot last season and beaten Inter Milan. Gomes despite his poor form at the moment, King when fit, Gallas, Bale, Huddlestone, Modric, Lennon, Defoe, VdV, their Russian striker are good or better players.

They aren't so much in our shadows anymore as Spurs have stopped mucking up. They are finally spending their money wisely, they have a good manager (as long as board ensure he doesn't overspend) and lots of good players. We can't stop them making assaults on CL spots or beating Inter Milan. So far, if rather close at times, we have remained ahead just but even if we (by some miracle) win the league, that gap between Arsenal and Spurs will continue to be a lot tighter then it once was simply because Spurs are a lot better side now then they have been for years. Spurs are less in Chelsea's shadow as well, Man City less in Man U's and that's not due to Ferguson or Ancelotti either.

Why would we buy a Real Madrid reserve who struggled to get into the Dutch starting line up when we have Nasri, Arshavin, Cesc, Van Persie, Walcott, Chamakh (as bad a day as he had against Spurs, he is still our top scorer this season), Bendtner among others? We scored twice against Spurs, it isn't their fault that our "defence" conceded three. Having yet another attacking player would not have changed the game, having a defence that didn't concede stupid goals was what we needed. That's the problem, our attacking players can score goals but it matters for nothing if we then concede more.

Spot on. I'm am pretty happy with the strike force we posses, and see no reason for us to strengthen in that area, of course it would be nice but at the moment it's not a problem and not something that needs addressing. Defensively is where we struggle, and struggle is putting it lightly. I made this point towards the end of last about the type of goals we concede, and Saturday was the perfectly example. We don't concede wonder goals. Nearly every goal we have conceded this season has been the result of a catastrophic error or an absolutely gift. Spurs didn't have to work hard to score Saturday, and many teams won't throughout the season untill Arsene stops being so ignorant,.

I don’t agree we still need a real striker and we have never replaced Henry. 178 goals in roughly 254 games with 77 assists. Would we of won the leagues’ without Henry? Don’t think so. Was there anyone in the team who wanted to win and score goals as much as Henry? I don’t think so. He led by example and this reflected to others. Who in the team does that now, where is the passion now. How many players are there fighting to score that actually have the real ability to do so. Cham and Nasri can try all they like to score but they are not consistent clinical world class match winners. They are both quality players but the team is screaming out for a match winner again.
We urgently need more attacking options. I would sell most of the players in a shot.
All we do is walk around the ball with no end product when it matters. Who was it back in the day when were 2.0 up against a team in the corner flag wasting time? It was Henry, he wanted to win, he had passion and that is what happens when you have a star attacking striker.
Drogba is of the same mould and if it wasn’t for him the chavs would not have won the league the way they do.
Manure had Rooney and they would not have won the league without him.

How anyone can say we don’t need a striker is beyond me? Don’t you know your history????

Alan Smith - 30 goals a season striker - League!

Wrighty - 30 goals a season - League!

Henry - 30 goals a season - League

3 generations of striker and 3 generations of winning the league.

Now we have no striker of that nature and no leauge title since!

Yep lets stick with AA23, Theo, TR, Bendy, Vela, RVP half a season superstar 15-20 goal a season legend to score us 30 goals a season.

Lets not forget back in the day when we had a 30 goal a season striker like Smith, Wright and Henry we had Merson, Campbell, Freddie, Pires, Limpar, Anelka , Dennis and others that scored alongside!!!!

Nope we don’t need any more attacking players, the ones we have are great!!!!!

We score enough goals to win games, we always have and will continue to do so. Which is why I'm not worried about that aspect of our game.

If this were true then we would of beaten, newcastle, scored more against west ham, not missed so many against birmingham, and not lost to the scum. We miss so many chances due to the fact we dont have an out and out striker.
Last season in january when RVP was out, did we score fuck loads of goals, was we shit for months winning scrappy games, but having fuck loads of chances? Wolves 1.0 lucky win, west ham 2.0 same again. The list can go on with regards to chances missed.

This season we have missed so many chances on goals, with the service we provide any average striker would be scoring fuck loads. Imagine Drogba in our team the way it is now with the chances and serivce we would give him.....

Top of the leauge to fucking right we would be.

[clockendal]

Calm down. The other fan was, judging by your description, the one in the wrong and I was also wrong because I keep confusing you with goonersid, I don't know why and thus my comment was unfair, so I am sorry.

At what point did I say Spurs had more money? I said a lot of money. Which they do as they are (somehow) a rich club. Apparently you can't read my post properly and so you call me a moron for it? Come now, if we are going to call me a moron, at least have the courtesty of doing it for the mistaking you for goonersid rather then for saying "Spurs have cash". Yes Spurs do have good players, else they wouldn't have a final or two recently, 4th spot last season and beaten Inter Milan. Gomes despite his poor form at the moment, King when fit, Gallas, Bale, Huddlestone, Modric, Lennon, Defoe, VdV, their Russian striker are good or better players.

They aren't so much in our shadows anymore as Spurs have stopped mucking up. They are finally spending their money wisely, they have a good manager (as long as board ensure he doesn't overspend) and lots of good players. We can't stop them making assaults on CL spots or beating Inter Milan. So far, if rather close at times, we have remained ahead just but even if we (by some miracle) win the league, that gap between Arsenal and Spurs will continue to be a lot tighter then it once was simply because Spurs are a lot better side now then they have been for years. Spurs are less in Chelsea's shadow as well, Man City less in Man U's and that's not due to Ferguson or Ancelotti either.

Why would we buy a Real Madrid reserve who struggled to get into the Dutch starting line up when we have Nasri, Arshavin, Cesc, Van Persie, Walcott, Chamakh (as bad a day as he had against Spurs, he is still our top scorer this season), Bendtner among others? We scored twice against Spurs, it isn't their fault that our "defence" conceded three. Having yet another attacking player would not have changed the game, having a defence that didn't concede stupid goals was what we needed. That's the problem, our attacking players can score goals but it matters for nothing if we then concede more.

Spot on. I'm am pretty happy with the strike force we posses, and see no reason for us to strengthen in that area, of course it would be nice but at the moment it's not a problem and not something that needs addressing. Defensively is where we struggle, and struggle is putting it lightly. I made this point towards the end of last about the type of goals we concede, and Saturday was the perfectly example. We don't concede wonder goals. Nearly every goal we have conceded this season has been the result of a catastrophic error or an absolutely gift. Spurs didn't have to work hard to score Saturday, and many teams won't throughout the season untill Arsene stops being so ignorant,.

I don’t agree we still need a real striker and we have never replaced Henry. 178 goals in roughly 254 games with 77 assists. Would we of won the leagues’ without Henry? Don’t think so. Was there anyone in the team who wanted to win and score goals as much as Henry? I don’t think so. He led by example and this reflected to others. Who in the team does that now, where is the passion now. How many players are there fighting to score that actually have the real ability to do so. Cham and Nasri can try all they like to score but they are not consistent clinical world class match winners. They are both quality players but the team is screaming out for a match winner again.
We urgently need more attacking options. I would sell most of the players in a shot.
All we do is walk around the ball with no end product when it matters. Who was it back in the day when were 2.0 up against a team in the corner flag wasting time? It was Henry, he wanted to win, he had passion and that is what happens when you have a star attacking striker.
Drogba is of the same mould and if it wasn’t for him the chavs would not have won the league the way they do.
Manure had Rooney and they would not have won the league without him.

How anyone can say we don’t need a striker is beyond me? Don’t you know your history????

Alan Smith - 30 goals a season striker - League!

Wrighty - 30 goals a season - League!

Henry - 30 goals a season - League

3 generations of striker and 3 generations of winning the league.

Now we have no striker of that nature and no leauge title since!

Yep lets stick with AA23, Theo, TR, Bendy, Vela, RVP half a season superstar 15-20 goal a season legend to score us 30 goals a season.

Lets not forget back in the day when we had a 30 goal a season striker like Smith, Wright and Henry we had Merson, Campbell, Freddie, Pires, Limpar, Anelka , Dennis and others that scored alongside!!!!

Nope we don’t need any more attacking players, the ones we have are great!!!!!

Did Alan Smith Score 30 league goals in a season ? 23 in 1988/89 and 24 in 1990/91

Wrighty - never scored 30 league goals in a season. And in fact the season he did win it, he scored 10 league goals...

TH14 - scored 30 league goals in a season once. 2003-4

Just clarifying that for you mate..

[Magic Hat]

Sorry for not quoting but on the issues of our attack. Yes there will be games where we, along with probably every other team in a remotely competitive league, don't score. Sometimes, the whole team plays badly, sometimes a keeper has a heroic day or days when the strikers miss a host of chances. I remember those kind of days in our last golden era

We still score goals. This season we broke the CL record, so far this Prem we have the joint highest goals this season, last season we spent time with Arshavin as our only striker and still got 3 goals vs Barca and third highest in the league, the year before that only Liverpool had more goals, the year before that only Man U. Your getting the pattern I take it?

The thing is, each season we also concede tens, twenties, thirties or whatever more then the teams we are seeking to catch. It's all very well matching or bettering the strike force of Man U, Chelsea and so on if we are as porous as a sieve. Also think of how much easier it must be for a Chelsea/Man U striker knowing that if they have an offday, the rearguard is usually strong enough to cope and one goal can be enough for three points most of the time. When the team isn't performing, the defences limit the points lost and give a springboard but when our team doesn't perform, we have no rearguard to prevent losses of points. How many times have we ended up having to play against 11 men behind the ball becuase we have conceded, due to our own errors, the first goal so making it harder for ourselves?

[QuartzGooner]

We could do with that 30 goal striker but it is not the urgent priority.

The defensive organisation is the priority.

[tel]

We could do with that 30 goal striker but it is not the urgent priority.

The defensive organisation is the priority.

I would say a complete defensive re-organisation is priority starting with a keeper, 4 defenders, a defensive midfielder and some tactics. We always score goals but keegans entertainers mk 2 can't keep them out.

[QuartzGooner]

I also don't think Wenger has lost his strengths: The ability to gain the support of his players, the ability to find someone and greatly improve them, his eye for a player, buying cheaply and selling high, the ability to get attacking players that will flourish in the system, finical prudence.


The problem is Wenger's weaknesses (tactical, defensive organization) are being exposed and, while not condemning the likes of Pat Rice, Wenger hasn't done what Ferguson did and find someone to bring into the coaching staff to cover for him.

Very good post by U.F.G. Anfield 89, and very good post above by Magic Hat.

I agree with the above, with the exception that I think Wenger's ability to gain the support of his player's has wained of late.
Wenger's players are starting to lose faith in him, i.e. Cesc wanting out this summer rather than a bit later in his career.

[TeeCee]

Wenger hasn't done what Ferguson did and find someone to bring into the coaching staff to cover for him.

But Wenger doesn't WANT someone with an opinion, he is the Tsar, the dictator, he has everything he wants except a trophy winning team, up there on his pedestal answering to no-one.
Same old Arsene....taking the piss!

[1989]

I also don't think Wenger has lost his strengths: The ability to gain the support of his players, the ability to find someone and greatly improve them, his eye for a player, buying cheaply and selling high, the ability to get attacking players that will flourish in the system, finical prudence.


The problem is Wenger's weaknesses (tactical, defensive organization) are being exposed and, while not condemning the likes of Pat Rice, Wenger hasn't done what Ferguson did and find someone to bring into the coaching staff to cover for him.

Very good post by U.F.G. Anfield 89, and very good post above by Magic Hat.

I agree with the above, with the exception that I think Wenger's ability to gain the support of his player's has wained of late.
Wenger's players are starting to lose faith in him, i.e. Cesc wanting out this summer rather than a bit later in his career.

I have had a belief for a while now that he has lost the dressing room. When you look at our squad overall, it has enough talent to win this league. Chelsea's and ManU's squads aren't any better, if at all. They probably have a better mentality, but that's it. This squad is capable of being champions potentially, but the manager isn't getting the most out of them imo.