As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
I fully understand the "realist" camp's attitude. Especially after saturday and yesterday.
What I don't understand is some of the venom directed toward some "rose-tinters" who have a different viewpoint.
Vive la difference.
It goes both ways lads. The childish, belittling comments from Louder and Swale too at times can get under your skin, childish as that might be its true and the usual bollocks about 'fuck off and support sp*rs' because youre not happy with certain things at the club ONLY go in one direction......
We are all Gooners and all entitled to opinions
That's true Flash, but the mood on the forum at the moment certainly seems to be one of a "victourious" nature for the relaists (see thread Rosetinters 2-3 Realists as an example). I know what you mean in that it does swing both ways, but surely we all want Arsenal to win ? So I can see why certain positive posters behave the way the do when you get people "celebrating" Arsenal getting beat to prove they are "right"
I can only talk for myself but im pretty sure its the same for everyone. I want Arsenal to win even if it makes me wrong.
There is i suppose an element of i told you so but thats human nature, when so many people still think the sun shines out of Wengers arse and it obviously doesnt there is a part of you that says 'see what ive been talking about'??? but nothing would make me happier than Wenger turning this around and winning the league or European Cup or not necessarily winning silverwear but improving the clear problems that have been visible for 2 or 3 years. I want Wenger to stay but ive lost faith in him when he cant see whats in front of him.
It is human nature to think you are right I agree, but I can see why the more positive posters can get wound up when people appear to be happy when they are proved right. I can see why some get frustrated when Arsenal getting beat is a reason for people to say "see I told you, Wenger's fcuked and half our squad is shit". But as Arsenal fans, and as you said, surely we ALL want Arsenal to win regardless of who the manager or players are, I think some people find it hard to take when Arsenal getting fcuked left right and centre pleases a number of people so they can say "See, I told you Arsene had lost it"
Maybe youre reading it wrong Al there is no happiness in my posts when Arsenal lose. As i said there may be an element of 'see what ive been saying for a while' but no happiness at all. I like reading rosetinted views such as olgit and BDB even you where there is no personal abuse just well reasoned ( but flawed ) arguments but swale (at times) and Louder throw abuse about so get it back as far as i can see
flash gunner wrote:Maybe youre reading it wrong Al there is no happiness in my posts when Arsenal lose. As i said there may be an element of 'see what ive been saying for a while' but no happiness at all. I like reading rosetinted views such as olgit and BDB even you where there is no personal abuse just well reasoned ( but flawed ) arguments but swale (at times) and Louder throw abuse about so get it back as far as i can see
Not saying that your happy about it Flash, but it does come across that way at times from certain people that the mood appears that people are happy to be proved right. And by being proved right means that Arsenal have lost, and who wants that ?
Yes anyone who throws abuse about deserves to get stick back and I don't have a problem with that...
flash gunner wrote:Maybe youre reading it wrong Al there is no happiness in my posts when Arsenal lose. As i said there may be an element of 'see what ive been saying for a while' but no happiness at all. I like reading rosetinted views such as olgit and BDB even you where there is no personal abuse just well reasoned ( but flawed ) arguments but swale (at times) and Louder throw abuse about so get it back as far as i can see
Not saying that your happy about it Flash, but it does come across that way at times from certain people that the mood appears that people are happy to be proved right. And by being proved right means that Arsenal have lost, and who wants that ?
Yes anyone who throws abuse about deserves to get stick back and I don't have a problem with that...
Anyway, on to Saturday..
Al, I can't think of one post where a so called "realist" was really celebrating being right when the team lost tbh... that would make no sense to me.
I personally think this current team are spineless and shit, I think Wenger is waaaay past his sell by date and needs to go... BUT... I pray I am proven wrong.
As for Swale and Louder, they have made their own bed. They have been continuously abusive towards people that don't agree with them (or people that have questioned Wenger) and worse, are well known for the old "fuck off and support tottnumb/chavs" line, questioning the loyalty of people on here that have gone to a fuck load more games (and/or been Gooners a hell of alot longer) than they have - and have lived through the real shit years, staying loyal throughout.
Swale in particular has come on here in the past and been triumphantly ignorent to people after a good win but then went missing after a bad loss. Nothing worse than someone that can dish it out but not take it back too.
This isn't a pop at Swale, just pointing out why he seems to get abuse off some of the so called realists.
frankbutcher wrote:As the Wenger empire comes crashing down around his ears, the Arsene Knows Brigade must surely now be eating humble pie. You see, those that know Arsenal, know. Those that know Arsene, don't. He's had his day. I have not and will not call him a c##t. He simply isn't. But his time is up, and he now needs to depart our Club. He's lost the fans, he's lost the dressing room, he's just lost......
Arsene, thanks for the memories. Good luck with whatever you do in the future. You are a legend, and always will be.
Goodbye.
Wenger hasn't lost THE fans, he's lost a few fans that were never really there anyway . As for point scoring, Wenger can only be judged when he completes his time as manager of Arsenal. And correct me if I'm wrong, he's still our illustrious leader and his work is not yet complete.
frankbutcher wrote:As the Wenger empire comes crashing down around his ears, the Arsene Knows Brigade must surely now be eating humble pie. You see, those that know Arsenal, know. Those that know Arsene, don't. He's had his day. I have not and will not call him a c##t. He simply isn't. But his time is up, and he now needs to depart our Club. He's lost the fans, he's lost the dressing room, he's just lost......
Arsene, thanks for the memories. Good luck with whatever you do in the future. You are a legend, and always will be.
Goodbye.
Wenger hasn't lost THE fans, he's lost a few fans that were never really there anyway . As for point scoring, Wenger can only be judged when he completes his time as manager of Arsenal. And correct me if I'm wrong, he's still our illustrious leader and his work is not yet complete.
flash gunner wrote:Maybe youre reading it wrong Al there is no happiness in my posts when Arsenal lose. As i said there may be an element of 'see what ive been saying for a while' but no happiness at all. I like reading rosetinted views such as olgit and BDB even you where there is no personal abuse just well reasoned ( but flawed ) arguments but swale (at times) and Louder throw abuse about so get it back as far as i can see
Not saying that your happy about it Flash, but it does come across that way at times from certain people that the mood appears that people are happy to be proved right. And by being proved right means that Arsenal have lost, and who wants that ?
Yes anyone who throws abuse about deserves to get stick back and I don't have a problem with that...
Anyway, on to Saturday..
Al, I can't think of one post where a so called "realist" was really celebrating being right when the team lost tbh... that would make no sense to me.
With all due respect, DB10, i've seen on more than a few ocassions people stating that they don't want us to win the Carling Cup because they want Wenger to leave, and i paraphrase, "because Wenger will then say see i told you our squad was good enough".
So in all honesty, there have been times where some people have actually said that they want us to not win just so Wenger leaves, and that does seem like celebrating the team losing.
frankbutcher wrote:As the Wenger empire comes crashing down around his ears, the Arsene Knows Brigade must surely now be eating humble pie. You see, those that know Arsenal, know. Those that know Arsene, don't. He's had his day. I have not and will not call him a c##t. He simply isn't. But his time is up, and he now needs to depart our Club. He's lost the fans, he's lost the dressing room, he's just lost......
Arsene, thanks for the memories. Good luck with whatever you do in the future. You are a legend, and always will be.
Goodbye.
Wenger hasn't lost THE fans, he's lost a few fans that were never really there anyway . As for point scoring, Wenger can only be judged when he completes his time as manager of Arsenal. And correct me if I'm wrong, he's still our illustrious leader and his work is not yet complete.
frankbutcher wrote:As the Wenger empire comes crashing down around his ears, the Arsene Knows Brigade must surely now be eating humble pie. You see, those that know Arsenal, know. Those that know Arsene, don't. He's had his day. I have not and will not call him a c##t. He simply isn't. But his time is up, and he now needs to depart our Club. He's lost the fans, he's lost the dressing room, he's just lost......
Arsene, thanks for the memories. Good luck with whatever you do in the future. You are a legend, and always will be.
Goodbye.
Wenger hasn't lost THE fans, he's lost a few fans that were never really there anyway . As for point scoring, Wenger can only be judged when he completes his time as manager of Arsenal. And correct me if I'm wrong, he's still our illustrious leader and his work is not yet complete.
frankbutcher wrote:As the Wenger empire comes crashing down around his ears, the Arsene Knows Brigade must surely now be eating humble pie. You see, those that know Arsenal, know. Those that know Arsene, don't. He's had his day. I have not and will not call him a c##t. He simply isn't. But his time is up, and he now needs to depart our Club. He's lost the fans, he's lost the dressing room, he's just lost......
Arsene, thanks for the memories. Good luck with whatever you do in the future. You are a legend, and always will be.
Goodbye.
Wenger hasn't lost THE fans, he's lost a few fans that were never really there anyway . As for point scoring, Wenger can only be judged when he completes his time as manager of Arsenal. And correct me if I'm wrong, he's still our illustrious leader and his work is not yet complete.
''One Arsene Wenger !!!''
I'll be there on saturday at villa singing for the lads and I doubt there'll be any deluded wenger lovers about
flash gunner wrote:Maybe youre reading it wrong Al there is no happiness in my posts when Arsenal lose. As i said there may be an element of 'see what ive been saying for a while' but no happiness at all. I like reading rosetinted views such as olgit and BDB even you where there is no personal abuse just well reasoned ( but flawed ) arguments but swale (at times) and Louder throw abuse about so get it back as far as i can see
Not saying that your happy about it Flash, but it does come across that way at times from certain people that the mood appears that people are happy to be proved right. And by being proved right means that Arsenal have lost, and who wants that ?
Yes anyone who throws abuse about deserves to get stick back and I don't have a problem with that...
Anyway, on to Saturday..
Al, I can't think of one post where a so called "realist" was really celebrating being right when the team lost tbh... that would make no sense to me.
With all due respect, DB10, i've seen on more than a few ocassions people stating that they don't want us to win the Carling Cup because they want Wenger to leave, and i paraphrase, "because Wenger will then say see i told you our squad was good enough".
So in all honesty, there have been times where some people have actually said that they want us to not win just so Wenger leaves, and that does seem like celebrating the team losing.
I take your point MM99, but that is a bit different than coming on here after we lose and celebrating the fact we have lost. I am not making excuses for anyone that would actually wish ill on the club just to get rid of Wenger, but I honestly cannot recall one post where someone came on here after a loss and celebrated the loss...
its a sad person who wants arsenal to lose to prove a point
i would consider myself a realist when it comes to the arsenal but i would much rather be proved wrong by wenger then by telling people i was right all along,
when arsenal lose the rosetinter and the realist are the real losers because we are the ones with arsenal in our hearts and it hurts.
DB10GOONER wrote:I take your point MM99, but that is a bit different than coming on here after we lose and celebrating the fact we have lost. I am not making excuses for anyone that would actually wish ill on the club just to get rid of Wenger, but I honestly cannot recall one post where someone came on here after a loss and celebrated the loss...
Yeah, don't think we have had anyone coming on after a loss and actually celebrating but for me not wanting us to win a trophy just so the manager leaves is just as bad. It's basically a case of cutting off your cock to spite your mrs.
REBEL GOONER wrote:its a sad person who wants arsenal to lose to prove a point
i would consider myself a realist when it comes to the arsenal but i would much rather be proved wrong by wenger then by telling people i was right all along,
when arsenal lose the rosetinter and the realist are the real losers because we are the ones with arsenal in our hearts and it hurts.
DB10GOONER wrote:I take your point MM99, but that is a bit different than coming on here after we lose and celebrating the fact we have lost. I am not making excuses for anyone that would actually wish ill on the club just to get rid of Wenger, but I honestly cannot recall one post where someone came on here after a loss and celebrated the loss...
Yeah, don't think we have had anyone coming on after a loss and actually celebrating but for me not wanting us to win a trophy just so the manager leaves is just as bad. It's basically a case of cutting off your cock to spite your mrs.
REBEL GOONER wrote:its a sad person who wants arsenal to lose to prove a point
i would consider myself a realist when it comes to the arsenal but i would much rather be proved wrong by wenger then by telling people i was right all along,
when arsenal lose the rosetinter and the realist are the real losers because we are the ones with arsenal in our hearts and it hurts.
Agree 100% with this, Rebel.
I think though that it is the case with 99.99% of so called "realists" on here that they would love to be proven wrong. I want Wenger gone as I don't think he can do the job to that level anymore but I would love him to prove me wronger than brazillianGOONER hanging out of the backend of a gypo tranny. Like Percy.
Same as you mate.
where there is no personal abuse just well reasoned ( but flawed 
