England 2018 World Cup bid

skipper · Post by **skipper** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:02 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:

Crowds awaiting the result in doha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuSjFVgL ... re=related

What now?

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:04 pm

skipper wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:

Crowds awaiting the result in doha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuSjFVgL ... re=related

What now?

shocking

Gooner_Sam · Post by **Gooner_Sam** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:05 pm

Didn't really take a great interest in the whole World cup bid from any country, but didn't FIFA publicly voice their concerns over Qatar staging the World Cup? Then they vote for them? Smells like a big fat load of corruption to me!

Let's pick a country with no footballing legacy, culture or really any knowledge.. Fuck FIFA!

skipper · Post by **skipper** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:07 pm

Gooner_Sam wrote:Didn't really take a great interest in the whole World cup bid from any country, but didn't FIFA publicly voice their concerns over Qatar staging the World Cup? Then they vote for them? Smells like a big fat load of corruption to me!

Let's pick a country with no footballing legacy, culture or really any knowledge.. Fuck FIFA!

already happened before...in 1994

MegaGooner · Post by **MegaGooner** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:07 pm

marcengels wrote:Have Qatar done anything over the past 30 years in grassroots football, because they could certainly afford to so, more than other countries with a fraction of their wealth. What social programmes is the World Cup likely to bring into effect, or affect?

Iceman, I know you have a hard-on for Qatar, because you went there on holiday, or your brother lives in a country near to it, but would you deny that the compelling reason for FIFA executive to choose Qatar was money - after all, they had an average FIFA inspection.

I think I would have prefered a country that has tried, and tries, to insitute a football culture, than one that sees the World Cup was an affirmation of itself in the world.

Just because the Middle East hasn't had a world cup, does not mean it deserves it, and it is clearly not compelling reason enough. I have yet to see a compelling argument for Qatar.

So only Ingurland has those

Are they the only country that tries to institute a culture at grass roots level?
So what if Qatar doesn't deserve it, why does anyone deserve it more? If quality comes up, I have to disagree with the English bid then

Netherlands actually has a brilliant "grass-roots" level of football.

marcengels · Post by **marcengels** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:08 pm

Iceman29 wrote:
marcengels wrote:And the stadiums which are going to be taken down after the event? If that wasn't proof that this is just about a one-off event to increase exposure for the country, then I don't know what is. Where are the clubs to move into these stadiums? What development of football is exactly going to take place?
Not all the stadiums. I said some of the stadiums will be moved to poorer countries to help them. It is a one off event, yes. World cups usually are. They don't have that many football clubs in a small country like Qatar.

The development of football does not only take place in Qatar but the entire middle east. What you are forgetting is the ripple effect this will have in the region.

Where are the clubs in RSA now to take over their stadiums?

South Africa is another case, not good, but doesn't make the case of qatar any better. And South Africa had/has a vibrant football culture that you can do something with.

If Qatar had made real efforts to try and make something of football culture, considering their wealth, then they would have a case. This is not a one-off event, but as FIFA keep telling us, a legacy tool.

Still, they put up a huge amount of money, and FIFA are swayed by that, so the nuances of qatar's attitude to grassroots football is irrelevant anyway. But it doesn't mean we can't debate this reality.

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:09 pm

corrupt number one trending topic on twitter

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:10 pm

I bet Zidane is happy, hes gonna get paid $15m for winning the bid

Iceman29 · Post by **Iceman29** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:10 pm

Qatar in 2008 have already held the gymnastics and/or athletics world cup. Went off just fine with no issues

Iceman29 · Post by **Iceman29** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:11 pm

Arsenal 1991 - You sound very bitter mate! Calm down

marcengels · Post by **marcengels** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:12 pm

MegaGooner wrote:
marcengels wrote:Have Qatar done anything over the past 30 years in grassroots football, because they could certainly afford to so, more than other countries with a fraction of their wealth. What social programmes is the World Cup likely to bring into effect, or affect?

Iceman, I know you have a hard-on for Qatar, because you went there on holiday, or your brother lives in a country near to it, but would you deny that the compelling reason for FIFA executive to choose Qatar was money - after all, they had an average FIFA inspection.

I think I would have prefered a country that has tried, and tries, to insitute a football culture, than one that sees the World Cup was an affirmation of itself in the world.

Just because the Middle East hasn't had a world cup, does not mean it deserves it, and it is clearly not compelling reason enough. I have yet to see a compelling argument for Qatar.
So only Ingurland has those Are they the only country that tries to institute a culture at grass roots level?
So what if Qatar doesn't deserve it, why does anyone deserve it more? If quality comes up, I have to disagree with the English bid then Netherlands actually has a brilliant "grass-roots" level of football.

I'm not comparing to England, so why do you as well deflect attention by talking about another country? I think it shows that a defence of Qatar is extremely difficult, if you have to look at other's weaknesses rather than the winner's strengths.

MegaGooner · Post by **MegaGooner** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:12 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:
Iceman29 wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:
Iceman29 wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote: Is it right that in the country that invented football, two generations of people won't get to see a world cup even though we have the best stadiums etc.
How did Qatar effect this? They were not up against England.

England lost and the citizens of this country need to accept that and stop being bitter about it. I am gutted as well but they lost and its time to move on.
i was just playing the "is it fair game".

Is it fair that gays will be locked up in qatar???
Dont over hype it. Nothing like that is going to happen. Stop reading so much in to things
Homosexuality is illegal, just shocking really.

So how are you gonna flaunt your homosexuality there? Any different from people flaunting there heterosexuality? Just don't do your business on the beach or bus-stop and you'll be fine

skipper · Post by **skipper** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:14 pm

Â£368 million of taxpayewsr money wasted by England bid.

Now that's a subject to talk about.

I blame postmen and tube drivers and working class in general

marcengels · Post by **marcengels** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:15 pm

skipper wrote:Â£368 million of taxpayewsr money wasted by England bid.

Now that's a subject to talk about.

I blame postmen and tube drivers and working class in general

Well, that's another story.

Fucking useless England mugs.

MegaGooner · Post by **MegaGooner** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:16 pm

skipper wrote:Â£368 million of taxpayewsr money wasted by England bid.

Now that's a subject to talk about.

I blame postmen and tube drivers and working class in general

Just blame Arshavin and you'll be fine