England 2018 World Cup bid

[Captain Fabregas]

Expect Chamakh to still wear the snood.

[CraigPollard]

Completely agree with all the concern over Qatar on this thread, and really cannot understand the support for it.

It was quite blatantly a decision driven by back handed brown envelopes!

The concerns raised with regards to the legality of homosexuality are indeed a huge concern, but this is expected for a country with a near on 80% muslim inhabitancy. Islam is the basis for Shari'ah Law. This "Law" dicates that any married woman who is raped must be stoned to death for adultery, anyone who is a non allah worshipper must either switch allegiance or be killed, anyone who turns their back on allah must also be killed.... its really lovely to be honest.

Ok, none of this will be apparent during the 1 month tournament, but that doesnt mean to say that it doesnt happen, and while i appreciate that Qatar is not a 100% Shari'ah country (Unlike neighbouring Saudi), it is still not a country that lives by the "accepted" way of life in the rest of the world.

You can preach all you like about the English invasion and how they should respect the local cultures, but you would be a hypocrite!
The muslim religion is famed for not integrating, but segregating. They also dont respect local law as they are taught that the word of god (that allah fella) that his and Mohammed's word (the Qu'ran) is law.
Has no one ever wondered why there are Shari'ah law and family courts in England? Did you really think that they would live by british law?

My biggest concern is how all this infrasture is going to be built. I dare say that the same practices will be put in place that helped to build Dubai. For those not in the know, it included sourcing labour workers from near by countries with the promise of a better life, only to then be stripped of their passports and forced to work tirelessly until the job was done (the slave trade in a nutshell).
It is illegal out there to work in anything over 50c, and ironically, work was never stopped. This may have had something to do with the governing powers and media never reporting the temperature to be anything over 49c - hundreds of workers dies building Dubai as a result.

This is a really long, but worthy read on the realities of the above....

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 64368.html

Please dont think for one moment that the stadiums and vast infrastructure will be built legitimately. The Arab world has never and will never do this. This world cup should never have been allowed to happen..... but i guess money talks.

[LDB]

My biggest concern is how all this infrasture is going to be built. I dare say that the same practices will be put in place that helped to build Dubai. For those not in the know, it included sourcing labour workers from near by countries with the promise of a better life, only to then be stripped of their passports and forced to work tirelessly until the job was done (the slave trade in a nutshell).
It is illegal out there to work in anything over 50c, and ironically, work was never stopped. This may have had something to do with the governing powers and media never reporting the temperature to be anything over 49c - hundreds of workers dies building Dubai as a result.

Of the 1.7 million people who live in qatar, only 200,000 are native to qatar, most of the rest are asian migrant labour that live in shanty towns hidden away from the main cities.

If they genuinely wanted to give a world cup to the middle east they would have made it a proper country with a native population so that the people could enjoy some kind of 'legacy'. Qatar/dubai are just holiday camps for westerners with more money then sense and this world cup is their vanity project to attract further investment.

The question is, how much further can they move football away from the people that ultimately bankroll its success before enough is enough?

[stg]

Think we should join forces with the US, Spain, Portugal, Australia and others and tell FIFA to go fuck themselves! It's all very well having them lick arsing to South Africa, Russia.....Qatar FFS....but how much money and kudos do those countries put in FIFA's pot?

Didn't the Premier League do this to the FA? I think we should now do it to FIFA!!

This, we would have a much, much better world cup.

I would love us to move away from fifa and claim association football back.

I think we should also stop sucking up to the like of Jack Warner. The FA must have spent a fortune wining and dining that c*nt over the years and by all accounts he didn't even vote for us.....

Surely we have the power to break away. Now is the time for change. Spain and Portugal would be allies too as they are pretty pissed off.

Im glad our bid chief isn't biting his tongue, he is saying what people are thinking.

Aparently the Yanks and the Aussies arnt to happy. TheAustralians aparently were not going to bid for the 2022 world cup untill activly encouraged by Sepp Blatter and the rest of FIFA

[RaM]

Think we should join forces with the US, Spain, Portugal, Australia and others and tell FIFA to go fuck themselves! It's all very well having them lick arsing to South Africa, Russia.....Qatar FFS....but how much money and kudos do those countries put in FIFA's pot?

Didn't the Premier League do this to the FA? I think we should now do it to FIFA!!

This, we would have a much, much better world cup.

I would love us to move away from fifa and claim association football back.

I think we should also stop sucking up to the like of Jack Warner. The FA must have spent a fortune wining and dining that c*nt over the years and by all accounts he didn't even vote for us.....

Surely we have the power to break away. Now is the time for change. Spain and Portugal would be allies too as they are pretty pissed off.

Im glad our bid chief isn't biting his tongue, he is saying what people are thinking.

Aparently the Yanks and the Aussies arnt to happy. TheAustralians aparently were not going to bid for the 2022 world cup untill activly encouraged by Sepp Blatter and the rest of FIFA

If I recall correctly, Australia had already lodged its bid before Qatar too. Bin Hammam (spelling?) the head of AFC, and also Qatari, created the Qatar bid to directly compete with the Australian one, rather than support a fellow 'Asian' nation.

Its a disgrace that they could be given the world cup.

I read a comment on an Aussie football site concerning the drinking sites...it basically said this..."confined drinking areas are well and good, but what will happen when you have all these races of fans (think Croats/Serbs for example) locked into these areas, drunk, and roasting in 50 degree heat?"

Recipe for disaster.

[flash gunner]

This, we would have a much, much better world cup.

I would love us to move away from fifa and claim association football back.

I think we should also stop sucking up to the like of Jack Warner. The FA must have spent a fortune wining and dining that c*nt over the years and by all accounts he didn't even vote for us.....

Surely we have the power to break away. Now is the time for change. Spain and Portugal would be allies too as they are pretty pissed off.

Im glad our bid chief isn't biting his tongue, he is saying what people are thinking.

Aparently the Yanks and the Aussies arnt to happy. TheAustralians aparently were not going to bid for the 2022 world cup untill activly encouraged by Sepp Blatter and the rest of FIFA

If I recall correctly, Australia had already lodged its bid before Qatar too. Bin Hammam (spelling?) the head of AFC, and also Qatari, created the Qatar bid to directly compete with the Australian one, rather than support a fellow 'Asian' nation.

Its a disgrace that they could be given the world cup.

I read a comment on an Aussie football site concerning the drinking sites...it basically said this..."confined drinking areas are well and good, but what will happen when you have all these races of fans (think Croats/Serbs for example) locked into these areas, drunk, and roasting in 50 degree heat?

Maybe its not so bad after all :sodomite:

[RaM]

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/jesse-fi ... light-zone

Pretty good little article on it.

[Arsenal 1991]

The world cup in 1994 was supposed to have made football (soccer ) a mainstream sport in football. It is more popular now than it was but is it more popular than the 70s when pele, beckenbaur etc were there? I doubt it

Its just a load of nonsense really and the sooner Fifa is broken up the better.

The Russian world cup is not going to be pretty thats for sure, could be quite embarrassing for Fifa.

[Arsenal 1991]

I saw this on the .com forum, top post:

Surely the Legacy argument cant be the excuse to give it to Russia..or Qatar..

Our Game in the 80's was a right mess, crumbling stadiums, racism, holliganism but we did something about it without the carrot of a world cup bid, we did something about it because people died at hillsborough and recognised that things had to improve. Surely we should be commended on this and achievement recognised with a World Cup. The success that has been achieved in our game has made us hated within FIFA because we dont play ball like they do.

Basically football is going down the pan for years and it starts at the top, untill FIFA are sorted out then the game will not improve, once splatter goes then Platini will take over and he is just as bad. Someone like Bobby Charlton should be head of FIFA...or maybe one day Mr Wenger...

[LDB]

The world cup in 1994 was supposed to have made football (soccer ) a mainstream sport in football. It is more popular now than it was but is it more popular than the 70s when pele, beckenbaur etc were there? I doubt it

Its just a load of nonsense really and the sooner Fifa is broken up the better.

The Russian world cup is not going to be pretty thats for sure, could be quite embarrassing for Fifa.

Could be but probably wont, if south africa has taught us anything its that Fifa is very good at bullying host countries into writing a blank cheque in order to supress the ugly side of a country while the fifa circus is in town.

The way Fifa has raped the south african coffers for billions, most of which they made off with tax free, is nothing short of disgraceful. But hey, as long as it doesnt get reported and a few naive locals are put infront of a camera to proclaim how great it all is then whats the problem ey?

[flash gunner]

I saw this on the .com forum, top post:

Surely the Legacy argument cant be the excuse to give it to Russia..or Qatar..

Our Game in the 80's was a right mess, crumbling stadiums, racism, holliganism but we did something about it without the carrot of a world cup bid, we did something about it because people died at hillsborough and recognised that things had to improve. Surely we should be commended on this and achievement recognised with a World Cup. The success that has been achieved in our game has made us hated within FIFA because we dont play ball like they do.

Basically football is going down the pan for years and it starts at the top, untill FIFA are sorted out then the game will not improve, once splatter goes then Platini will take over and he is just as bad. Someone like Bobby Charlton should be head of FIFA...or maybe one day Mr Wenger...

Wenger has my vote. when can he start there?

[HashKads]

I didn't really want to get into this but some of the posts on here are a joke.

I do agree that the poor labour conditions need to be looked into because in all of the Middle East its a problem. Maids and drivers are the norm on next to nothing wages, and builders etc on poor pay and poor conditions. Its something FIFA should highlight that is not acceptable.

Talk of stoning of women etc is pure nonsense, Qatar is one of the more liberal GCC states. Women can dress how they like so long as its not too provacative and alcohol is legal, yes its restricted in public but I am sure when the WC comes around there will be designated fan parks, hotels and bars just like the WC this year.

The whole WC experience for me personally is about a new country, the culture etc. The designs from Qatar looked impressive and the air cooling in stadiums does work.

No doubt there was back handers to get it to Qatar but to me FIFA is as corrupt as anything and most of the WC bids are likely to be bent I'd blame the almighty FIFA whom are meant to be the Home of Football. Sepp Blatter, *word censored*.

[Arsenal 1991]

I didn't really want to get into this but some of the posts on here are a joke.

I do agree that the poor labour conditions need to be looked into because in all of the Middle East its a problem. Maids and drivers are the norm on next to nothing wages, and builders etc on poor pay and poor conditions. Its something FIFA should highlight that is not acceptable.

Talk of stoning of women etc is pure nonsense, Qatar is one of the more liberal GCC states. Women can dress how they like so long as its not too provacative and alcohol is legal, yes its restricted in public but I am sure when the WC comes around there will be designated fan parks, hotels and bars just like the WC this year.

The whole WC experience for me personally is about a new country, the culture etc. The designs from Qatar looked impressive and the air cooling in stadiums does work.

No doubt there was back handers to get it to Qatar but to me FIFA is as corrupt as anything and most of the WC bids are likely to be bent I'd blame the almighty FIFA whom are meant to be the Home of Football. Sepp Blatter, c**t.

I might be wrong but Muslims can't drink at all in Qatar and the rest of us can't drink in public.

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

Talk of stoning of women etc is pure nonsense, Qatar is one of the more liberal GCC states. Women can dress how they like so long as its not too provacative and alcohol is legal, yes its restricted in public but I am sure when the WC comes around there will be designated fan parks, hotels and bars just like the WC this year.

If that part is referring to my post KJ then it really wasn’t a serious comment, just an excuse for a shite joke to be honest.

[skipper]

Hypocrisy behind some pro-homosexuall posts here are quite laughable really...considering the fact that in "liberal" England up until 3/12/2010 only one footballer had openly came out as gay and we all know how that story ended.

http://www.petertatchell.net/sport/justin_fashanu.htm


So all in all, when you take in consideration homophobia that spreads over all continents when football fans are concerned, Qatar seems to be perfect choice.




As for FIFA being organization enrooted in corruption...hey, what's new? But that's why I'm struggling to understand argument that British media should have kept it quiet for the sake of our bid...if we kept it quiet, wouldn't that make us corrupt as well? So I say, well played BBC, Tmes etc...