USMARTIN'S MAILBAG - SPECIAL EARLY EDITION(As In Early HERE)

[RossieGooner]

I do not mean to appear disrespectful in any way - and hope to discuss the further with you off the forum but I must point out that in the first two mailbags including the one you closed there is in fact no reference whatsoever to the Board or its policies.

http://www.onlinegooner.com/phpbb2/view ... hp?t=27100

The first mailbag was devoted to whether we could beat ManU Monday night and whether wecould in fact comepte to win the League this year

http://www.onlinegooner.com/phpbb2/view ... sc&start=0

The second mailbag itself became a discussion about the Board but in my imitial post was devoted to the point that the same people who complained about hijacking other threads to expresss my views were complaining about me not hi-jacking other threads to express my views. All discussion aboiut the Board came only is response to another forum member bringing the issue up.

I just think it's fair to point out that in fact this is the first thread I have opened this week that addressed the Board specifically in any way, and if you read the posts opening the other two threads that is quite clear. I am not trying to have a go here and as I say I hope we can discuss this further via PM because I like and respect you and I sense the same from you, but as I say I do think it's fair to point that out here.

The issue is though if you post a thread about the Man Utd game it should be just a post on the Man Utd game thread. We (the mods) are only letting this "Mailbag" idea run to contain the Board stuff in one place, Martin.

So if you want to post about the Man Utd game do so on that thread. Use the "Mailbag" for Board stuff only. There can't be one rule for everyone and another for you. I feel we are being more than accomodating by letting this mailbag thread idea progress.

Justr keep the Board stuff here and any other stuff on the relevent threads. If there isn't a thread on some issue you want to discuss than certainly start one. But (as I have explained before) the owners of the website and forum don't want multiple threads about the same subject. And I think most members don't want that either as it makes the place annoying to surf.

Only other option is you forget this idea and go back to posting whatever threads you want and if they are repeats they will be locked. I really can't do much more for you, mate.

Not having a go DB, and fair play to you for trying to accomodate USM, but i really think this whole farce has gone far enough. I made the point a couple days ago about this personal playarea thing USM, but u still want to persist. Starting threads every day about other threads so you can repeat you argument over and over ?!?......please give it a rest mate.......

Its really starting to make my head hurt.

[mrgnu1958]

FUCK ME ROSSIE!!!...you went for it there darling.

[USMartin]

I do not mean to appear disrespectful in any way - and hope to discuss the further with you off the forum but I must point out that in the first two mailbags including the one you closed there is in fact no reference whatsoever to the Board or its policies.

http://www.onlinegooner.com/phpbb2/view ... hp?t=27100

The first mailbag was devoted to whether we could beat ManU Monday night and whether wecould in fact comepte to win the League this year

http://www.onlinegooner.com/phpbb2/view ... sc&start=0

The second mailbag itself became a discussion about the Board but in my imitial post was devoted to the point that the same people who complained about hijacking other threads to expresss my views were complaining about me not hi-jacking other threads to express my views. All discussion aboiut the Board came only is response to another forum member bringing the issue up.

I just think it's fair to point out that in fact this is the first thread I have opened this week that addressed the Board specifically in any way, and if you read the posts opening the other two threads that is quite clear. I am not trying to have a go here and as I say I hope we can discuss this further via PM because I like and respect you and I sense the same from you, but as I say I do think it's fair to point that out here.

The issue is though if you post a thread about the Man Utd game it should be just a post on the Man Utd game thread. We (the mods) are only letting this "Mailbag" idea run to contain the Board stuff in one place, Martin.

So if you want to post about the Man Utd game do so on that thread. Use the "Mailbag" for Board stuff only. There can't be one rule for everyone and another for you. I feel we are being more than accomodating by letting this mailbag thread idea progress.

Justr keep the Board stuff here and any other stuff on the relevent threads. If there isn't a thread on some issue you want to discuss than certainly start one. But (as I have explained before) the owners of the website and forum don't want multiple threads about the same subject. And I think most members don't want that either as it makes the place annoying to surf.

Only other option is you forget this idea and go back to posting whatever threads you want and if they are repeats they will be locked. I really can't do much more for you, mate.

Not having a go DB, and fair play to you for trying to accomodate USM, but i really think this whole farce has gone far enough. I made the point a couple days ago about this personal playarea thing USM, but u still want to persist. Starting threads every day about other threads so you can repeat you argument over and over ?!?......please give it a rest mate.......

Its really starting to make my head hurt.

The real farce is you and others trying to impose editiorial comntrol over the entire forum regardless of wehat individaul forum members may actyually think - and i would daresay not all forum members share your views on this or anything else - and then claiming you are some sort of victim.

You are objecting quite frankly to something you don't even have to read if you do not wish to or want to.

Be a grown up and admit the reality - you want to limit discussing views you find uncomfiratbe to discuss and you want to limit anyone end anyone discussing them here, because the fact is you do not have to discuss anything you do not want to or read anything you do not want to unless you have some obssessive compulsive psychological problem that forces you to read every single post in every signle thread in which case you are asking the forum to accomodate your singular meeds.

You want to censor the right to discuss views you don't to discuss and force the forum to accept this but want to be the victim at the same time. This is the farce perpretrated by so many here. People bullying the forum its members and moderators who still want to pretend they are the victims so they can justify thier shameful actions

[USMartin]

DB 10 if you cannot see that for what it is I do not know what else to say other than to let Rossie speak for himself again.

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[mrgnu1958]

"THE SHITS GONNA HIT THE FAN"

[DB10GOONER]

Oh dear Christ. You just can't help some people!

Martin, I'm not getting into 3000 word post and reply sessions here AS WELL AS BY PM, mate.

The problem (ONE LAST TIME) is not the content of your posts. Ok? Most of us don't trust the board, but we are pragmatic enough to accept we can do fuck all about that in the real world. So how you can say people are trying to prevent you posting stuff they don't agree with is both ridiculous and insulting. Everyone is allowed to post whatever opinion they like here about the Board, the manager, players, whatever.

No, the problem is THE WAY YOU deliver your message. Threads being hijacked by one and two line gags, jokes, puns, insults etc are easily skipped over or ignored if so desired. But when a thread is hijacked by numerous 3000 word rants about the same subject over and over then that is unnacceptable, rude, annoying and creates ill will. I don't know why you can't understand this.

You seem to want to be treated differently with your own threads but then also be treated the same as everyone else with regard to posting on other threads. I'm not trying to limit you to one thread, just limit the 3000 word anti-board rants to one thread.

I've tried to help you here and all it's got me is more work on here and answering PM's. Seriously, either try and fit in with the general ethos of this forum or start a blog that you can control totally. I'm on the verge of locking this idea down to be honest because it doesn't appear to be enough for you.

[USMartin]

Oh dear Christ. You just can't help some people!

Martin, I'm not getting into 3000 word post and reply sessions here AS WELL AS BY PM, mate.

The problem (ONE LAST TIME) is not the content of your posts. Ok? Most of us don't trust the board, but we are pragmatic enough to accept we can do fuck all about that in the real world. So how you can say people are trying to prevent you posting stuff they don't agree with is both ridiculous and insulting. Everyone is allowed to post whatever opinion they like here about the Board, the manager, players, whatever.

No, the problem is THE WAY YOU deliver your message. Threads being hijacked by one and two line gags, jokes, puns, insults etc are easily skipped over or ignored if so desired. But when a thread is hijacked by numerous 3000 word rants about the same subject over and over then that is unnacceptable, rude, annoying and creates ill will. I don't know why you can't understand this.

You seem to want to be treated differently with your own threads but then also be treated the same as everyone else with regard to posting on other threads. I'm not trying to limit you to one thread, just limit the 3000 word anti-board rants to one thread.

I've tried to help you here and all it's got me is more work on here and answering PM's. Seriously, either try and fit in with the general ethos of this forum or start a blog that you can control totally. I'm on the verge of locking this idea down to be honest because it doesn't appear to be enough for you.

I'm afraid that comes across now as bit of a false argument. The real issue is whether people have the same rights to express their views. The fact is and I challlange you to read the threasds whether the posters who want to say fuck off Wenger you deluded *word censored* and Wenger is refusing to spend money being made abvailable to him by the Board. Go ahead tell me that the same posters don't post the very same thing in every thread - matchday threads, transfer threads, player threads.

How is it pragmatic to allow a manager to be so horribly treated when it in fact may not be justified by the facts in every single thread especially given what that manager has done in the past? Again I am no blind worshipper of the man but the fact is everything that has chanhged about Arsenal and about him in theory matches the very same timeline as our finanical policy before and since 2005. Is it pragmatism to allow a number of forum members to state otherwise without proof of fact?

Ons last question how come thew same people who complain of me repeatedly referring to the Board's role in this never once turn on these people for doing the same thing in every single. Do you honestly believe it's because they use shorter sentences to call the most successful manager since before World War Two a blind deluded *word censored* who should fuck off?

[g88ner]

Oh dear Christ. You just can't help some people!

Martin, I'm not getting into 3000 word post and reply sessions here AS WELL AS BY PM, mate.

The problem (ONE LAST TIME) is not the content of your posts. Ok? Most of us don't trust the board, but we are pragmatic enough to accept we can do fuck all about that in the real world. So how you can say people are trying to prevent you posting stuff they don't agree with is both ridiculous and insulting. Everyone is allowed to post whatever opinion they like here about the Board, the manager, players, whatever.

No, the problem is THE WAY YOU deliver your message. Threads being hijacked by one and two line gags, jokes, puns, insults etc are easily skipped over or ignored if so desired. But when a thread is hijacked by numerous 3000 word rants about the same subject over and over then that is unnacceptable, rude, annoying and creates ill will. I don't know why you can't understand this.

You seem to want to be treated differently with your own threads but then also be treated the same as everyone else with regard to posting on other threads. I'm not trying to limit you to one thread, just limit the 3000 word anti-board rants to one thread.

I've tried to help you here and all it's got me is more work on here and answering PM's. Seriously, either try and fit in with the general ethos of this forum or start a blog that you can control totally. I'm on the verge of locking this idea down to be honest because it doesn't appear to be enough for you.

I'm afraid that comes across now as bit of a false argument. The real issue is whether people have the same rights to express their views. The fact is and I challlange you to read the threasds whether the posters who want to say fuck off Wenger you deluded c**t and Wenger is refusing to spend money being made abvailable to him by the Board. Go ahead tell me that the same posters don't post the very same thing in every thread - matchday threads, transfer threads, player threads.

How is it pragmatic to allow a manager to be so horribly treated when it in fact may not be justified by the facts in every single thread especially given what that manager has done in the past? Again I am no blind worshipper of the man but the fact is everything that has chanhged about Arsenal and about him in theory matches the very same timeline as our finanical policy before and since 2005. Is it pragmatism to allow a number of forum members to state otherwise without proof of fact?

Ons last question how come thew same people who complain of me repeatedly referring to the Board's role in this never once turn on these people for doing the same thing in every single. Do you honestly believe it's because they use shorter sentences to call the most successful manager since before World War Two a blind deluded c**t who should fuck off?

DB, I know I shouldn't laugh - but you're on a hiding to nothing, mate!

[mcdowell42]

Hi is this the groundhog thread

[USMartin]

Hi is this the groundhog thread

Now that you're here looks that way....

[USMartin]

Actually I was tempted to put out a new Snow Day Edition Mailbag but thought someone might take that the wrong way.


But since there will be much less serious traffic on here I felt I had to respond to some of your recent comments DB10 that as you suggested off the forum you feel adddressed all my concerns, because in all honesty they did not, and if anything they raised further concerns here from my perspective I promnmise Ill' try to stay under 3000 words anyway.

You seem to want to be treated differently with your own threads but then also be treated the same as everyone else with regard to posting on other threads. I'm not trying to limit you to one thread, just limit the 3000 word anti-board rants to one thread.

That is quite simply untrue. If that were true there would be no reason to have even advanced the idea of the mailbag with you and other moderators as I did. If I believed that in fact there would be no reason not to post my views in other threads the same way as before or to simply open my own threads whose titles stated specifically what they were about the same way as before. If that were true we wouldn't even be debating the legitmacy of this idea because I never would have considered doing it in the first place if what you say above is true.

I don't want more rights or priveleges than any other forum member to participate and express their views. I don't even want the same rights as every other member has so long as they say the right things in the eyes of some here, I simply want more rights and priveleges than one forum member has right now - and that is me at this time.

Now I could be a real bull-buster and ask for the very same rights as everybody else which is what I should have after all in a democratic forum, but I'm simply asking for some of those rights and everyone is acting like I'm the unreasonable one. I guess I'm feeling pretty cheeky about now.

[frankbutcher]

Martin - just take the advice on Board and make your posts more succinct. That is a skill in itself. I think you're intelligent enough to be able to do this.

I look forward to seeing more of your posts, albeit in a more concise manner. I would hope that people will be more willing to debate with you if you follow this advice.

Best,

Frank.

[USMartin]

Martin - just take the advice on Board and make your posts more succinct. That is a skill in itself. I think you're intelligent enough to be able to do this.

I look forward to seeing more of your posts, albeit in a more concise manner. I would hope that people will be more willing to debate with you if you follow this advice.

Best,

Frank.

Chers Frank I will do that wherever and whenver I can. As to your hope about what happens next don't hold your breath. This is all about some people (not the moderators btw) not wanting the issue discussed at all by anyone bar as they want it discussed and hiding behind irrelevancies to justify that.

But again cheers for the advice and support. Hope the Holiday Season is going well.

[djhdjh]

Stop behaving like a patronising insulting person. When will you get it into your head that people on here on the whole do not trust the board, do not like them and think that they could focus a lot more on the success of the club rather than the success of the business - frankly you're the biggest enemy to your own argument because people can't stand your insulting style.

However they also believe that the manager could and should push them harder, could and should get more out of the squad because tactically we are naive - they do not run in opposition on most points and for some reason you just can't get this. Funnily enough we see more football and it's more interesting than the boardroom, therefore it gets discussed more often - other issues still get discussed but this is a football club so football gets more of it.

You may be aware that this place is seen as a bit of an anti-club sort of place especially in comparison to the official forum. Applies to the Gooner magazine as well as this forum. Doesn't bear out with your nonsense conspiracy that the mods want this limited because they're stooges for the club.

The reason you're being limited is because your posting style is boring, repetitive (other people make similar points but you make exactly the same point every single time) and upsets people because you insult them for not agreeing with every single point of view you hold, even though mostly people largely agree with you. By this I mean telling people they're not proper fans of the club, don't care, got their heads in the sand, etc. This takes threads off-track and makes you the focus not the issues. Counter-productive to your crusade and to the enjoyment of this forum. My last word on the issue, it's dull and sadly I don't see you as flexible enough to change your style.

[USMartin]

djhdjh it seems pointless to respond to you since you insist this is last word on this – and given how riddled with inaccuracy and falsehood it is and wo0uld take them same stance, but I will anyway.

First off, no one on this forum is actually limiting me doing anything I wish to at this time but in fact me myself. I chose of my own volition and after consulting with moderators to post these mailbag threads. The moderators can, if they wish to, confirm this including DB10 who was among the regularly seen moderators I contacted ahead of opening the first of these threads, who has stated for a fact that he is being lobbied if not pressured by other forum members to act as they wish.

Secondly I challenge you to find one post where I have stated the moderators are attempting to censor me at all. I have stated consistently that is a group of forum members who want this – they are the people bringing pressure on at least DB10 to act as they wish. I am not saying that about the moderators now and have never said that before and I challenge to produce one example contradicting that. The moderators including DB10 have been wonderfully fair to and considerate of me and all of us really so far as I know and are doing so even now.

In fact I would suggest that as you go on to explain the reason I am being “limitedâ€