January blues...

[Kvltman]

It's the pure shite that comes out of Wenger's mouth after games and just to the press in general that gets people's backs up, we've been hearing it all for years and nothing changes, yet some people still choose to follow him blindly. That's fair enough if that is their opinion but would they still be following as willingly when we are 4 more years down the line and in the exact same place?

im certainly not following him blindly....i support him cause i think he is dong a good job and because i think he is the best man for the job.

if the time ever came that i thought he wasn't doing a good job then id say it....we're there or there abouts this season,2nd in the league,semi final of cc and last 16 of Champions leagueI know people aren't happy about havin to play Barca but at the end of the day of you want to win the competition then you're going to have to beat the best teams.

Modern day football is all about fine margins-2006 13 mins away from winning a Euopean Cup-2007 Carling Cup final-2008 probably should have won the league,Birmingham and Eduardo shot that one down,2009-champions league semi and fa cup semi and 2010 up to probably April we could and probably would have won the league had the majority of our best players not been missing for large chunks of the season.Wenger has kept this team competing through the stadium move and against teams who have an infinite budget.Im proud of the way our club is run and i dont understand where alot of the criticism on here comes from cause i think its OTT sometimes

Your facts look good on paper but in reality they aren't as promising, I feel.

For example, the champions league last 16. Yes it isn't ideal playing Barcelona this early and if the manager had taken the groupstage more seriously then we could have avoided them entirely and for all we know someone else could have knocked them out in the last 16. Yes you have to beat the best but surely it's easier to avoid Barcelona until the very last moment or avoid them completely?

We are 2nd in the league but it has been even more tupsy turvy than last season and the facts are we have played very poorly in a lot of games not even including ones against our biggest rivals. Not just playing poorly but also completely bottling games and showing a complete lack of application and desire. It's the managers job to inspire the players and for all his words and a few games won in a row we still see the same old thing when it really matters. So if the manager did change his ways even slightly imagine where we could be in the league, perhaps top and clear by a few points!

Paris 2006 was a heartbreaker and we were unlucky in general. However, we bottled the league in 2008 because Wenger couldn't keep the squad together and refused to strengthen in the transfer window. The 2009 semi-finals were quite frankly embarassing and mainly due to Wengers decisions. And the finish to last season was utterly dreadful. And because of problems that have been there for all to see not being addressed who can blame people for losing faith in Wenger and for us to see the exact same results come May?

[I Hate Hleb]

Rather than just throwing insults about, why don't people simply answer Jacky Wilshere with well-reasoned arguments like that put by Kvltman above?

Mr Wilshere,

Mickey is one of our more excitable regulars who likes to express himself with industrial language. Contrary to the belief, there are plenty of rose-tinters on this forum and most of us that aren't don't think Wenger is a useless crunt.

However I suspect a majority of us do have worries at how Wenger has been running things for the past couple of years and most of all, his failure to address long-standing issues with the team.

Of course we're not shit. Yet it's so much more frustrating that we're been so close to returning to the pinnacle of English football, yet our manager can't or won't see what every man and his dog can see - namely that we need strengthening in a couple of crucial positions with quality.

And it's the failure to do what's necessary, along with the frankly embarrassing excuses he uses for not doing so, that is getting to - and in some cases, has already got to - a lot of gooners. The question is how much longer should we put up with it?

By the way, welcome to the forum. It's certainly been a lively introduction.

[mikeyb772001]

But as wenger said on his interview, he only needs to finish 4th. Lets be honest he wont need to spend anything to get 4th.

4th is the new 1st. Didnt you all know that???????

c**t c**t c**t c**t c**t

calling our manager a c**t is a big help to the team i must say

He is a c**t and a deleuded one at that.

I help the team every week mate when i go and support the players and help pay there wages. Wenger sits back and enjoys his £115k a week whislt not investing in a team that has holes in it the size of jordans c**t!

Bit of a superfan are u??

Support the players,you having a laugh?all you seem to do is complain and slag off everything about the club.....we're in the last 16 of champs league,semi final of carling cup and up to last week were top of the league.I'd hate to see what you'd be saying if we were doing badly

End of the day mate many of us today were talking on this thread before you came on with your first ever forum post.
You can clearly read that you started all this pointless debate.
You also stated that you have been watching all of us for some time and knew who was of the same view point. That is sad enough on its own!

You came on with the sole purpose to wind people up and i really dont get why. As i said before if you want to be positive thats great and its up to you but dont go winding people up. You could of started your own thread expressing your views but you chose to pick out the people youve been watching for god knows how long.

We all cant all agree with things but thats debate and what the forum is for. One day i could find someone a right twat and the next day i am helping the same guy find a ticket and meeting up for a beer before the game.

But yeh i am superfan and a *word censored* as you kindly put it

If you dont like the banter go on .com and join that forum

[augie]

Can I just point out to jackie, who got his knickers in a knot on the thread that was locked, that when somebody puts a winking emoticon at the end of something they said it means that it is just a joke Jeez if you have been on this forum observing for a while (does that make you a voyeur then ? ) like you claim to be then you would think that you could tell the difference between a serious insult and a bit of banter

[defleppardisking]

If you want people to stop calling Wenger *word censored* then he should stop acting like one. That to me means start rectifying our chronic problems, spend to strengthen the team, ship out the useless ones and stop spouting nonsense.

[Arsenal 1991]

A wise man changes his mind, a fool, never.

[Jacky Wilshere]

It's the pure shite that comes out of Wenger's mouth after games and just to the press in general that gets people's backs up, we've been hearing it all for years and nothing changes, yet some people still choose to follow him blindly. That's fair enough if that is their opinion but would they still be following as willingly when we are 4 more years down the line and in the exact same place?

im certainly not following him blindly....i support him cause i think he is dong a good job and because i think he is the best man for the job.

if the time ever came that i thought he wasn't doing a good job then id say it....we're there or there abouts this season,2nd in the league,semi final of cc and last 16 of Champions leagueI know people aren't happy about havin to play Barca but at the end of the day of you want to win the competition then you're going to have to beat the best teams.

Modern day football is all about fine margins-2006 13 mins away from winning a Euopean Cup-2007 Carling Cup final-2008 probably should have won the league,Birmingham and Eduardo shot that one down,2009-champions league semi and fa cup semi and 2010 up to probably April we could and probably would have won the league had the majority of our best players not been missing for large chunks of the season.Wenger has kept this team competing through the stadium move and against teams who have an infinite budget.Im proud of the way our club is run and i dont understand where alot of the criticism on here comes from cause i think its OTT sometimes

Your facts look good on paper but in reality they aren't as promising, I feel.

For example, the champions league last 16. Yes it isn't ideal playing Barcelona this early and if the manager had taken the groupstage more seriously then we could have avoided them entirely and for all we know someone else could have knocked them out in the last 16. Yes you have to beat the best but surely it's easier to avoid Barcelona until the very last moment or avoid them completely?

We are 2nd in the league but it has been even more tupsy turvy than last season and the facts are we have played very poorly in a lot of games not even including ones against our biggest rivals. Not just playing poorly but also completely bottling games and showing a complete lack of application and desire. It's the managers job to inspire the players and for all his words and a few games won in a row we still see the same old thing when it really matters. So if the manager did change his ways even slightly imagine where we could be in the league, perhaps top and clear by a few points!

Paris 2006 was a heartbreaker and we were unlucky in general. However, we bottled the league in 2008 because Wenger couldn't keep the squad together and refused to strengthen in the transfer window. The 2009 semi-finals were quite frankly embarassing and mainly due to Wengers decisions. And the finish to last season was utterly dreadful. And because of problems that have been there for all to see not being addressed who can blame people for losing faith in Wenger and for us to see the exact same results come May?

Facts look good on paper but in reality there not so promising????ok i'll leave it at that....we'll see where we are come May,i just dont get the all the doom and gloom floating around here bout us.We're playing Barca in the last 16,as i said you're gonna have to play the best teams at some stage e.g.last season,topped our group played Porto in the last 16 and then met Barca in the qtrs.

We're in December so theres nothing Wenger can do now to improve the squad.In the summer he signed Kos and Squill to strenghten the CB position--after his first few games alot of people thought that we'd signed a gem in Kos and i think he will prove to be a good signing.I think Squill is also a good CB and he'll prove his worth to the squad over the duration of the season.He signed Chamakh also who i feel has strengthed the squad.Add that to keeping hold of Cesc and i dont think our manager did so bad this summer.

And we come to the goalkeeper-yes i agree Almunia is not the answer and i was glad when i heard we were after Schwarzer,but Fulham wouldnt sell so what could he do.He was looking for a short term solution as he knows Scezney will be top class and i fell Fabianski has done well for us this season,Newcastle home aside.

[Jacky Wilshere]

If you want people to stop calling Wenger c**t then he should stop acting like one. That to me means start rectifying our chronic problems, spend to strengthen the team, ship out the useless ones and stop spouting nonsense.

wenger is acting like a *word censored*
chronic problems??-----are some of ye for real

[Jacky Wilshere]

But as wenger said on his interview, he only needs to finish 4th. Lets be honest he wont need to spend anything to get 4th.

4th is the new 1st. Didnt you all know that???????

c**t c**t c**t c**t c**t

calling our manager a c**t is a big help to the team i must say

He is a c**t and a deleuded one at that.

I help the team every week mate when i go and support the players and help pay there wages. Wenger sits back and enjoys his £115k a week whislt not investing in a team that has holes in it the size of jordans c**t!

Bit of a superfan are u??

Support the players,you having a laugh?all you seem to do is complain and slag off everything about the club.....we're in the last 16 of champs league,semi final of carling cup and up to last week were top of the league.I'd hate to see what you'd be saying if we were doing badly

End of the day mate many of us today were talking on this thread before you came on with your first ever forum post.
You can clearly read that you started all this pointless debate.
You also stated that you have been watching all of us for some time and knew who was of the same view point. That is sad enough on its own!

You came on with the sole purpose to wind people up and i really dont get why. As i said before if you want to be positive thats great and its up to you but dont go winding people up. You could of started your own thread expressing your views but you chose to pick out the people youve been watching for god knows how long.

We all cant all agree with things but thats debate and what the forum is for. One day i could find someone a right twat and the next day i am helping the same guy find a ticket and meeting up for a beer before the game.

But yeh i am superfan and a c**t as you kindly put it

If you dont like the banter go on .com and join that forum

seriously i may as well be banging my head against a wall -i offered an opinion that was different to yours on a public forum-nothing to do with winding anybody up-its what i feel!! ''Watching all of you for a long time''-i said i'd read the forum for a long time!!-come on mate if your gonna quote me then all least make it factual.......never called you a *word censored* either,so thats another thing you can scratch off the record!!

see its this kind of thing that gets me-'If you dont like the banter go on .com and join that forum'---sorry but did i miss something or is this not a public forum for people to air their opinion...i have a different view than you do relating to our club,thats it,get over it!i'll speak where i wanna speak

You told me i was clueless today and that i needed to start attending games like you do in order to see the glaring weeknessses in our team,i attend my fair share of games thanks......im a SUPPORTER of Arsenal,through the good and the bad,and at the moment i dont think its all that bad,certainly not ''chronic'' as i've heard on here

[Jacky Wilshere]

Can I just point out to jackie, who got his knickers in a knot on the thread that was locked, that when somebody puts a winking emoticon at the end of something they said it means that it is just a joke Jeez if you have been on this forum observing for a while (does that make you a voyeur then ? ) like you claim to be then you would think that you could tell the difference between a serious insult and a bit of banter

banter is one thing but calling somebody a *word censored* whom you dont know because they share a different opinion to you is another thing.....i think the fact that because i had a positive opinion on our club,led some of ye to query as to whether i was being genuine sums it all up really----you said that you wondered was i a wum or another fourum member posting under an alias-----that just shows the way this forum has gone

[Kvltman]

It's the pure shite that comes out of Wenger's mouth after games and just to the press in general that gets people's backs up, we've been hearing it all for years and nothing changes, yet some people still choose to follow him blindly. That's fair enough if that is their opinion but would they still be following as willingly when we are 4 more years down the line and in the exact same place?

im certainly not following him blindly....i support him cause i think he is dong a good job and because i think he is the best man for the job.

if the time ever came that i thought he wasn't doing a good job then id say it....we're there or there abouts this season,2nd in the league,semi final of cc and last 16 of Champions leagueI know people aren't happy about havin to play Barca but at the end of the day of you want to win the competition then you're going to have to beat the best teams.

Modern day football is all about fine margins-2006 13 mins away from winning a Euopean Cup-2007 Carling Cup final-2008 probably should have won the league,Birmingham and Eduardo shot that one down,2009-champions league semi and fa cup semi and 2010 up to probably April we could and probably would have won the league had the majority of our best players not been missing for large chunks of the season.Wenger has kept this team competing through the stadium move and against teams who have an infinite budget.Im proud of the way our club is run and i dont understand where alot of the criticism on here comes from cause i think its OTT sometimes

Your facts look good on paper but in reality they aren't as promising, I feel.

For example, the champions league last 16. Yes it isn't ideal playing Barcelona this early and if the manager had taken the groupstage more seriously then we could have avoided them entirely and for all we know someone else could have knocked them out in the last 16. Yes you have to beat the best but surely it's easier to avoid Barcelona until the very last moment or avoid them completely?

We are 2nd in the league but it has been even more tupsy turvy than last season and the facts are we have played very poorly in a lot of games not even including ones against our biggest rivals. Not just playing poorly but also completely bottling games and showing a complete lack of application and desire. It's the managers job to inspire the players and for all his words and a few games won in a row we still see the same old thing when it really matters. So if the manager did change his ways even slightly imagine where we could be in the league, perhaps top and clear by a few points!

Paris 2006 was a heartbreaker and we were unlucky in general. However, we bottled the league in 2008 because Wenger couldn't keep the squad together and refused to strengthen in the transfer window. The 2009 semi-finals were quite frankly embarassing and mainly due to Wengers decisions. And the finish to last season was utterly dreadful. And because of problems that have been there for all to see not being addressed who can blame people for losing faith in Wenger and for us to see the exact same results come May?

Facts look good on paper but in reality there not so promising????ok i'll leave it at that....we'll see where we are come May,i just dont get the all the doom and gloom floating around here bout us.We're playing Barca in the last 16,as i said you're gonna have to play the best teams at some stage e.g.last season,topped our group played Porto in the last 16 and then met Barca in the qtrs.

We're in December so theres nothing Wenger can do now to improve the squad.In the summer he signed Kos and Squill to strenghten the CB position--after his first few games alot of people thought that we'd signed a gem in Kos and i think he will prove to be a good signing.I think Squill is also a good CB and he'll prove his worth to the squad over the duration of the season.He signed Chamakh also who i feel has strengthed the squad.Add that to keeping hold of Cesc and i dont think our manager did so bad this summer.

And we come to the goalkeeper-yes i agree Almunia is not the answer and i was glad when i heard we were after Schwarzer,but Fulham wouldnt sell so what could he do.He was looking for a short term solution as he knows Scezney will be top class and i fell Fabianski has done well for us this season,Newcastle home aside.

I'm not exactly reaching for the razor blades myself, as you say we are still competitive in the league and the cups but as a lot of other people feel on this forum, we are likely to fall short because of Wengers failure to address serious problems that have been glaringly obvious for a long, long time. It is felt that these problems aren't resolved because of the managers stubborn nature.

And when he comes out with the crap he does, for example "we have 3 world class goalkeepers" which is an insult to the fans' intelligence, and multiple trumpeting of the teams 'mental strength' etc etc when time and time again they bottle it in the big games (which ultimately costs us dearly in the major competitions) and you can surely see why many are getting fed up with him.

It is only December and we are looking quite good right now on paper BUT because of above reasons in the thread and others mentioned MANY times before, we are likely to be coming up short again in May or possibly before that.

[frankbutcher]

Jacky, Jacky, Jacky.....

The crux of the issue here is that you are happy with mediocrity. The more vocal members of our forum are not, and will not put up with being nearly men season after season.

Wenger is paid handsomely to win trophies - end of. At the moment he is in a comfort zone and neither he nor the players seem willing to accept criticism.

To be clear, everything at Arsenal is not rosy in the garden. We might appear 'near' to success but the reality is that we are light years away from being a dominant force.

1st is 1st, 2nd is no-where.

The Arsenal are winners. We do not accept glorious failure.

I hope that's clear for you.

[Jacky Wilshere]

Jacky, Jacky, Jacky.....

The crux of the issue here is that you are happy with mediocrity. The more vocal members of our forum are not, and will not put up with being nearly men season after season.

Wenger is paid handsomely to win trophies - end of. At the moment he is in a comfort zone and neither he nor the players seem willing to accept criticism.

To be clear, everything at Arsenal is not rosy in the garden. We might appear 'near' to success but the reality is that we are light years away from being a dominant force.

1st is 1st, 2nd is no-where.

The Arsenal are winners. We do not accept glorious failure.

I hope that's clear for you.

i was thinking it was only a matter of time before you'd join in....the man who thought it would be a good idea to put the area of where Wenger lives on the internet and what was it you wanted to do again??--all this before the season had even started!Think the man deserves more respect than that.

As i've said already,we are Arsenal but that doesnt mean we have a divine right to win trophies,look at who we're competing against and the means within which we're running our club.I ,like every fan wants us to win as much as we can as im sure the manager does....do you think Wenger looks like he's in a comfort zone on the sideline these days-i dont,he's a winner and feels it as much as us.

[frankbutcher]

Jacky, Jacky, Jacky.....

The crux of the issue here is that you are happy with mediocrity. The more vocal members of our forum are not, and will not put up with being nearly men season after season.

Wenger is paid handsomely to win trophies - end of. At the moment he is in a comfort zone and neither he nor the players seem willing to accept criticism.

To be clear, everything at Arsenal is not rosy in the garden. We might appear 'near' to success but the reality is that we are light years away from being a dominant force.

1st is 1st, 2nd is no-where.

The Arsenal are winners. We do not accept glorious failure.

I hope that's clear for you.

i was thinking it was only a matter of time before you'd join in....the man who thought it would be a good idea to put the area of where Wenger lives on the internet and what was it you wanted to do again??--all this before the season had even started!Think the man deserves more respect than that.

As i've said already,we are Arsenal but that doesnt mean we have a divine right to win trophies,look at who we're competing against and the means within which we're running our club.I ,like every fan wants us to win as much as we can as im sure the manager does....do you think Wenger looks like he's in a comfort zone on the sideline these days-i dont,he's a winner and feels it as much as us.

Blimey, you have been watching from a-far for a while! Why has it taken you so long to start posting? (Genuine question - seems quite weird TBH)

In terms of 'divine right to win trophies' I think you've mis-quoted me. We have no right to expect trophies every year, but I do expect our manager to manage the squad competently. This includes recruiting top-class performers in each part of the team. Wenger has flagrantly dis-regarded the need for a World-class keeeper, an additional Worls-class ESTABLISHED centre-back and a genuine defensive central midfielder. This is nothing less than negligence.

To return to your original point about publishing Wenger's address - this is nothing controversial. Most people who live near me, know roughly where he lives. He pops into Waitrose in Totteridge and Whetstone on regular occassions. He eats in a restaurant on the High Road with the likes of David Dein. If someone wanted to take issue with him, they would. I've not published the number of his house, because I don't know it.

I know it's now the Christmas holidays, which coincides with when you've begun posting..... or am I being presumptous, as you were in thinking that I believe we have a divine right to trophies.

Think before you write. Kids are to be seen and not heard....

[Jacky Wilshere]

unfortunately my xmas hols dont begin until around 5.15 pm tomorrow when i walk out the door of work....im a kid now! im 26 mate.

to answer your question about why i've only started to post now---like i said i have read the forum for quite a while and up to recently enjoyed reading alot of the stuff because i thought it was fair and balanced.i posted today because i was fed up of people calling the manager a *word censored* and how the club is in crisis.......mate you know as well as i do,that isnt the truth.im entitled to my opinion and aired it today,dont expect everyone to agree with it.

i expect that the fact that you stated that we are the Arsenal and that we are winners was a inference to winning trophies......some people know where he lives,some dont--you werent putting it on this forum to widen peoples general knowledge--what was it you were suggesting people do?
The man deserves more respect than that in my opinion.if i remember correctly that thread was either removed or locked so i'd say one of the mods thought it wasnt suitable either.

what i've learned today:::those people who hate the modern arsenal football club and arsene wenger dont like to have their opinions challenged and if you do your a wum,a *word censored*,or a rosetinter.!!!