Wenger Is The Man For Arsenal FC

supergeorgegraham · Post by **supergeorgegraham** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:00 am

Well Wenger has many faults but his main problem has always been defence. Its hard to imagine him having the success he did if he didnt join in 1996 with Grahams defence.
It has taken 5 years for Arsenal to have a good team again (line up vs chelsea and city) but the squad needs changing.
Players like Rosicky, Denilson need to be moved on and I still have little faith in Fabianski while Alumnia needs to go now.
Yes Chelsea had money to burn and now City do but we could have brought in a few more players that were ready and not kids.
We missed out on Van der Vaart who was cheap and even Spurs signing Becks for 3 months will prove a huge money spinner for them and raise their profile so while the team looks good right now its been a crap 5 years to be honest.
Carling Cup means nothing to Arsenal and so what if we win it. A cup that nobody takes seriously is no prize for Arsenal.
United stayed in touch and beat Chelsea to titles. We fell away.

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:46 am

supergeorgegraham wrote:Well Wenger has many faults but his main problem has always been defence. Its hard to imagine him having the success he did if he didnt join in 1996 with Grahams defence.
It has taken 5 years for Arsenal to have a good team again (line up vs chelsea and city) but the squad needs changing.
Players like Rosicky, Denilson need to be moved on and I still have little faith in Fabianski while Alumnia needs to go now.
Yes Chelsea had money to burn and now City do but we could have brought in a few more players that were ready and not kids.
We missed out on Van der Vaart who was cheap and even Spurs signing Becks for 3 months will prove a huge money spinner for them and raise their profile so while the team looks good right now its been a crap 5 years to be honest.
Carling Cup means nothing to Arsenal and so what if we win it. A cup that nobody takes seriously is no prize for Arsenal.
United stayed in touch and beat Chelsea to titles. We fell away.

Excellent post.And the truth

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:53 pm

What a pile of shit the OP is, as well as being factually incorrect. If we pay the loan off early we face large 'fines'. So it would be very wise to actually invest in top drawer players that are winners, rather than consistently reward failure with longer and more lucrative contracts as the senile Mr Wenger has done. Wenger stopped being a great manager in 2005. He is now merely finance director of Arsenal and part time coach with no idea of tactics. Who could do better? At least 20 managers could do better with the same group of players.

Louder · Post by **Louder** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:53 pm

donaldo wrote:
supergeorgegraham wrote:Well Wenger has many faults but his main problem has always been defence. Its hard to imagine him having the success he did if he didnt join in 1996 with Grahams defence.It has taken 5 years for Arsenal to have a good team again (line up vs chelsea and city) but the squad needs changing.
Players like Rosicky, Denilson need to be moved on and I still have little faith in Fabianski while Alumnia needs to go now.
Yes Chelsea had money to burn and now City do but we could have brought in a few more players that were ready and not kids.
We missed out on Van der Vaart who was cheap and even Spurs signing Becks for 3 months will prove a huge money spinner for them and raise their profile so while the team looks good right now its been a crap 5 years to be honest.
Carling Cup means nothing to Arsenal and so what if we win it. A cup that nobody takes seriously is no prize for Arsenal.
United stayed in touch and beat Chelsea to titles. We fell away.
Excellent post.And the truth

Not sure it is the truth. The unbeaten back four weren't GG's players !. The more experienced players you bring in, the less chance the young players have of getting experience. We didn't 'miss out' on Van der vart as we were never 'in' for him. And signing Beckham in order to raise the clubs profile and make money is desperate, and typical of the club down at shite hart lane. Sign him for footballing reasons if you think he's good enough, but if a club needs Beckham as cover rather than a proper understudy to bring in and gain experience, then the squad can't be all that strong. It shows 'arry for what he is, a short term, bodge-it-and leg-it, merchant.

We're lucky to have AW

RNTGOONER · Post by **RNTGOONER** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:03 pm

not sure about that, Harry's team is not old like chelsea

merse_10 · Post by **merse_10** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:14 pm

NO.HE.IS.NOT(anymore)

end of discussion(see today for final straw evidence of that)

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:23 pm

TeeCee wrote:What a pile of shit the OP is, as well as being factually incorrect. If we pay the loan off early we face large 'fines'. So it would be very wise to actually invest in top drawer players that are winners, rather than consistently reward failure with longer and more lucrative contracts as the senile Mr Wenger has done. Wenger stopped being a great manager in 2005. He is now merely finance director of Arsenal and part time coach with no idea of tactics. Who could do better? At least 20 managers could do better with the same group of players.

So you are saying in fact that Arsene Wenger's sudden managerial incompetence and the and the over-borrowing to re-develop Highbury and all the resulting profits since and increase in the share price and the profits made at that increased share price by some because of the lack of investment in the football team are purely coincidental? Is that in fact what you are saying? Yes or no?

You are howeber fully right about the fact that because we cannot pay off the loan any sooner because of these penalties for early payment there is no logical reason not to resume investing at a higher rate than we have since well 2005 - other than that it might make the club a bit less profitable and drop the share price a little bit. And no one at our club wants to see that apparently.

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:14 pm

Spending money on better players will NOT necessarily affect the share price negatively. That's a bit like saying if an oil explorer hires a rig to enable them to drill for oil their share price will go down, on the contrary, when an action (investment) increases your likelihood of success, your share price normally goes UP.

Look at Wenger's managerial history Martin, he always does the same thing, comes in, makes changes, has a certain amount of success then goes downhill and leaves/gets sacked. It's not sudden incompetence, it's the same pattern as in Wenger's career so far. He always reaches a limit and he did that at Arsenal 4 or 5 years ago. This isn't something that the board have caused, it's Wenger and his limited ability to move clubs forward beyond a certain point.

basilbrush14 · Post by **basilbrush14** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:32 pm

Cesc is God, do you write for arsenal.com too?

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:30 pm

TeeCee wrote: Spending money on better players will NOT necessarily affect the share price negatively. That's a bit like saying if an oil explorer hires a rig to enable them to drill for oil their share price will go down, on the contrary, when an action (investment) increases your likelihood of success, your share price normally goes UP.

We hear this argument all the time but look at our share price since 2006, bar during the financial meltdown, and then ahead of re-financing the Highbury Square loan , the share price has risen almost constantly despite the clear lack of siuccess on the pitch. I think there is a stronger case for lack of success not holding back the share price historically at Arsenal.

TeeCee wrote:Look at Wenger's managerial history Martin, he always does the same thing, comes in, makes changes, has a certain amount of success then goes downhill and leaves/gets sacked. It's not sudden incompetence, it's the same pattern as in Wenger's career so far. He always reaches a limit and he did that at Arsenal 4 or 5 years ago. This isn't something that the board have caused, it's Wenger and his limited ability to move clubs forward beyond a certain point.

Are you suggesting he simply cannot manage football after a certain time period or scout and develop talent after a certain time period? That just after a few years he sees no difference between Patrick Vieira and Denilson or Between Theirry Henry and Nik Bendtner?

And if so why hasn't anyone else at our club recognized thius or acted to correct it. After all by your reckoning it would threaten our share price to let an incompetent manager continue to manage the club.

My fear isn't that we will sack Arsene Wenger and automatically be worse off for it. My fear is we sack him and no better off for it because then we accomplish nothing but unfairly tarnish a great era at Arsenal and risk ending uo even worse off, and I don't think anyone who supports Arsenal wants that.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:33 pm

BTW TeeCee if you want to talk about oil rigs I think we should discuss making a 20 billion pound profit in three months and choosing not to spend 500 thousand to repair a defective blowout preventer.

I would say Arsenal are operating more like BP trying to maxmize profit and share price as long as they can get away with ti without say falling form the top four.

Post by **Chippy** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:16 pm

Jesus, look what you've done now TeeCee.

supergeorgegraham · Post by **supergeorgegraham** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:17 am

No my previous post was spot on. Yes the Unbeatables were not the GG defence but that was only 2 years away from the influence of Adams and Co and Keown was still there.
Campbell was a great buy as was Lehmann and Lauren and Cole were already good by the time the Graham guys left.
There is no argument that Wenger is a poor defensive manager.
Also yesterday proved my point that outside the starting 11 for City and Chelsea we have a poor squad.
Lets face it Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner, Vela, Rosciky all are poor here. Sadly we can add Arshavin to that list but I dont blame Wenger for that the man has under performed since he arrived and I dont know why.
Van Der Vaart is the type of player he would have brought in when he arrived. He had his head firmly ahead of the competition in the transfer market i.e Vieira, Overmars, Petit. Not any more dues to too many failures.

delgooner · Post by **delgooner** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:47 am

[quote="supergeorgegraham"]There is no argument that Wenger is a poor defensive manager.
Also yesterday proved my point that outside the starting 11 for City and Chelsea we have a poor squad.
Lets face it Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner, Vela, Rosciky all are poor here. Sadly we can add Arshavin to that list but I dont blame Wenger for that the man has under performed since he arrived and I dont know why.
Van Der Vaart is the type of player he would have brought in when he arrived. He had his head firmly ahead of the competition in the transfer market i.e Vieira, Overmars, Petit.

spot on super agree with you entirely mate

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:41 am

delgooner wrote:
supergeorgegraham wrote:There is no argument that Wenger is a poor defensive manager.
Also yesterday proved my point that outside the starting 11 for City and Chelsea we have a poor squad.
Lets face it Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner, Vela, Rosciky all are poor here. Sadly we can add Arshavin to that list but I dont blame Wenger for that the man has under performed since he arrived and I dont know why.
Van Der Vaart is the type of player he would have brought in when he arrived. He had his head firmly ahead of the competition in the transfer market i.e Vieira, Overmars, Petit.
spot on. super. agree with you entirely

Feck me, is the onlinegooner being infested with the Emirates prawn sandwich brigade now?