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Should Arsene Go?

Yes
57
59%
No
39
41%
 
Total votes: 96

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Post by LeftfootlegendGooner »

nino_rojo wrote:lol, you guys make me laugh. I'd have a proper rant if I could be arsed. proper mob mentality on here.

Hmm....I don't like mob mentaility either but just taking a look at your video signature...................you don't do irony....do you :? :lol:


Oh yeah forgot to add.....I voted for a change, Arsene has been fantastic for our club and given us some football that was outstanding that used to win titles and trophies.

Unfortunately his new brand of football with this current crop of players doesn't win trophies or titles.


I suppose if I had to compare Arsenes predicament to something relevant it would be this.....My wife was a great servant to me for 16 years but alas I no longer got a boner watching her play so it was time for a change :shock: :lol:

Fuck...here she comes :shock: ...'what darling? Of course i'll do the washing up my love' :oops: :lol:

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Arsenal 1991 wrote:I know it seems counter productive to sell our two best players but we need our best players playing more games than cesc and van persie currently play.

We could get at least £60m combined for them add that to the £33m we would get for Bentdner (£6m), Squillaci (£1m), Denilson (£6m), Arshavin (£10m), Rosicky (£5m) and Eboue (£5m). Then we have the £56m profit, thats a total of nearly £150m.

Thats money to rival Man City, Madrid, anyone. Use £30m to buy a proper striker, £20m to buy a proper defensive midfielder, £15m to buy cahill, £7.5m to buy Parker, £5m for a reserve right back and the rest to buy a couple of proper wingers.

Promote JET, lansbury, Bartley and any others. We suddenly have a very, very good squad. NOT THAT DIFFICULT!!!
1991 some valid points several problems though -

The first is that while your theory is correct could it be put into practice/ Again You are ignoring our fatally flawed wage structure. What striker valued at 30 million GBP will play for 90K a week? And that is the ceiling of our wage structure now. You could argue this all the way down to Scott Paker at 7.5 million theoretically. Who will come to Arsenal to play on 60-90K a wekk when the could play elsewhere for 100K a week or more?

Second is to move that many players is at one time is just ridiculous and would mean we would have to get every single replacement spot-on to be able to come back even two years on. And again this assumes we can actually agree wages with the players valued as you suggest. If we don't get all these moves spot-on we may be no better off than we are now and some will use it as justification to roll back investment in the team(buying bigger guarntees nothing, etc...)

Third is relying on several youth products as the underbelly of the squad is a major risk unless you go full seasons as injury-free as possible. Otherwise injuries fatally compromise the squad because as we have seen now the drop-off in quality from much of our first 11 to our reserves is too sever and can drag a whiole team's season down.

Finally putting aside the manager's future and assuming for now he is still here after this year what if Cesc in fact leaves? What if a couple of others do as well? What if Tom Vermaelen's achilles doesn't heal properly or quickly enough? I think it's reckless to suggest we can just do all this in a single year or even two transfer windows. The problems weren't created over a single year, and they certainly won't be solved over one either unless we re-think our wage structure drastically, and even then it will probably be a two-year procedure under any manager.

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shu wrote:no wonder the whole world hates americans , i bet you are on the Arsenal payroll. Why don't u fxxk off and watch some USA Spacker sport world series.
If the truth about what really might be wrong and how it can be fixed means that little to you, that's on you, regardless of nationality. And if you actually hate people who won't let you be dishonest even simply with yourself about something again that speaks to you, not me.

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Post by tel »

My feelings changed 2 years ago after 3 gutless semi final performances which I moved heaven and earth to get to whilst he and the players didn't turn up. Of course we ambles along going nowhere but Wigan last season was my breaking point. Still he has another 3 years at least of making sure we make enormous profits whilst we win fuck all. No sign of any unrest amongst the fans inside the ground yet either.

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tel wrote:My feelings changed 2 years ago after 3 gutless semi final performances which I moved heaven and earth to get to whilst he and the players didn't turn up. Of course we ambles along going nowhere but Wigan last season was my breaking point. Still he has another 3 years at least of making sure we make enormous profits whilst we win fuck all. No sign of any unrest amongst the fans inside the ground yet either.

This is 100% spot on. I feel exactly the same word for word.

Was 2 years when i started to change my feelings too. I guess we just woke up and smelt the coffee sooner than others.

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Im shocked that as much as 11 people have voted no. :? :shock:

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I've voted yes because all the games I've watched over Christmas and up to last night have been the same:
Arsenal = 8 up the field passing sideways 150 passes then trying to go at the opposition, leaving 2 shite defenders and flappy on their own = result a big zero
Opposition = 10 men across the penalty area and 1 lone striker down the other end = result Arsenal lose possession in their penalty area, opposition punt long ball down field, 2 shite defenders are so far back lone striker is not offside picks ball up 1 shite defender falls on his arse the other one is so slow the striker goes past him hits the ball across goal and fat flappy falls to the ground and ball rolls into corner of goal. 1-0 to opposition.

Will be the same at West Ham! I dread going down the pub on Saturday but its My Arsenal the Club not the people who run it!

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Arsenal 1991 wrote:Im shocked that as much as 11 people have voted no. :? :shock:
Read my post earlier. He has until the end of the season to sort it out or he goes. End of.

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Post by 1989 »

The only way Wenger will leave is if the fans stop supporting him and actually give him the grief he deserves. Look at the way the victims drove Woy out.

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1989 wrote:The only way Wenger will leave is if the fans stop supporting him and actually give him the grief he deserves. Look at the way the victims drove Woy out.
Or hopefully, he'll remember how he won the 3 league titles and 4 fa cups. With proper players, playing in their favoured position and a team that could defend. If he doesn't then he should go.

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1989 wrote:The only way Wenger will leave is if the fans stop supporting him and actually give him the grief he deserves. Look at the way the victims drove Woy out.
they drove him out by not attending
which is the only real way fans influence things
and unfortunately for the Arse regime change Che Guevara's of this board
there are plenty of Arsenal fans who are still desperate to attend matches

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Post by Jumpers For Goalposts »

I voted yes but with a heavy heart (as politicians say!!)

I voted yes not because we haven't won a trophy for 5 1/2 years but because Arsene has lost sight of what is important. His project could be brilliant but everyone else can see that he has the wrong blend of players.

I also voted yes because of the crap, lame, same old tired excuses that he trots out each week after defeats like Wigan, Blackburn, Spurs, West Brom, Newcastle, Ipswich, Braga, Partizan etc.

If he was more honest with us I would've probably voted no but I have lost all respect for him now. It's really sad that it has come to this . . . . . .

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Post by gunner_ace »

75% say go. That has genuinly suprised me but I think it does summerise the mood right now.

I say he has to go simply because he has a total power base where no-one will ever challange his decisions or strategies sic lack of. No co-incidence Wengers best years came under Dein, thats because he listened to Dean and actually put his hand in his pocket at his advise. Who is fufilling that Dean role now???

There is of course the usual from the Wenger loyalists saying who would replace him? Well that is an unknown but I dont we will know until we try. One thing we cant do is continue on this voyage to nowhere. I geniunely cant see any progression from this team from last years and the year before that which is always worrying.

To put it into perspective I think we all agree manures team is considerably worse to last years, but yet they are unbeatan in the league. Why? Because they have a great manager who the players want to play for and have the fear of God of. At the age of 70 fergie is still as sharp as a button. I think wenger has lost his touch when it comes to the man management stakes.

One final point is that the argument used to be used that if Wenger left we would lose Henry & Fab et al such was his relationship with the players. Well TH14 is gone and Fab is a goner in the summer and the rest, well I wouldnt be to sorry if they left too (except song, ramsey, sagna & wilshere)

Change is needed.

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I just saw that sky advert, where they named their favourite moments and charlie said the invincibles and henry and arsene came up on the screen. Brought a tear to my eye. :cry:

I hope th14 is telling them what it means to the wear the shirt, but I doubt hes aloud to speak. :roll:

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Post by Arsenal 1991 »

I think the worm is starting to turn. Im not there yet but very, very, very close. :oops: :roll:

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