As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Arsenal 1991 wrote:Sent the results to arseblogger and johncrossmirror. We need to let the press know that Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore.
you probably logged in under 20 different accounts to vote ''yes''!!!.
''Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore''---absolute garbage......you should put some of this energy getting behind the team until May and then see where we are.
Im guessing you've only just starting supporting us this season, if you don't know how its going to end.
mate if your username is an indication of your age then i've been supporting Arsenal a lot longer than you have!
I have read the majority of this thread and you dont half speak some garbage!
At the end of the day, this season is going to play out like everyone since 2004/05.
Jacky Wilshere wrote:Some of the comments on this thread are a disgrace....talk about mob group mentality!
Im hearing things like send the link to this thread to some other public medium to get the message spread...blah blah blah.Why do all this now?nothing is going to be achieved now only cause further damage to our chances of winning anything...nobody knows whats gonna happen between now and the end of the season.Maybe i could see some of reason behind it if it was May and things were a crisis.But there not a crisis!!
People would want to get a bit realistic on here,starting up polls and drumming up support for getting Wenger out,what the fuck??Think Wenger deserves a bit more respect than some of the shit that is being spouted on here.I for one fully back him and am confident he can lead us to some silverware.
We are the ARSENAL,we dont hound managers out of their roles,we leave that to clubs like the bin dippers and chelski.You'll probably only realise how good we had it when Arsene has gone.
6 years, Arsenal isn't Arsene FC. [/quot
who said Arsenal was Arsene FC?? not me.....
i said im behind the manager at the moment and believe he can still bring us success.
we havent won a trophy in over 5 and a half years but who says we have a divine right to win something cause we are Arsenal?remember who we are competing against,United-probably commercially t ebiggest club in the world,chelsea whom until recently had a blank cheque mentality,and now City with all their financial clout!
we have competed throughtout our trophyless spell and with a bit of luck here and there we might have had 2-3 trophies in that time,
Last edited by Jacky Wilshere on Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
We were unlucky before, we were up against a very good united side with the best player in the world and a very good chelsea side full of winner and a decent 'pool side two. Now chelsea and united are nowhere near as good and city are still building a team and are inconsistent.
This is the best chance we have had of winning the league in while and will probably be the best chance for years after that cause of city doing a chelsea.
All arsene needs to do is buy two players and fucking work on the defensive side of our game. Oh and stop resting players in every single game.
Arsenal 1991 wrote:Sent the results to arseblogger and johncrossmirror. We need to let the press know that Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore.
you probably logged in under 20 different accounts to vote ''yes''!!!.
''Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore''---absolute garbage......you should put some of this energy getting behind the team until May and then see where we are.
Im guessing you've only just starting supporting us this season, if you don't know how its going to end.
mate if your username is an indication of your age then i've been supporting Arsenal a lot longer than you have!
I have read the majority of this thread and you dont half speak some garbage!
At the end of the day, this season is going to play out like everyone since 2004/05.
People would pay lots of money to have your powers 1991!Because nobody knows whats going to happen between now and May......you can paint the most positive picture of our club and manager or the most negative but like i said we dont know whats gonna happen between now and May.l Like i said before no change in management is going to happen before May and i think everyone would agree with that so i dont see any positive effect starting things like this is doing when our season is far from dead and buried yet.
Arsenal 1991 wrote:Sent the results to arseblogger and johncrossmirror. We need to let the press know that Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore.
you probably logged in under 20 different accounts to vote ''yes''!!!.
''Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore''---absolute garbage......you should put some of this energy getting behind the team until May and then see where we are.
Jacky my friend - were you at the Champions League semi final against Man Utd in May 2009?
The atmosphere in the ground was as good as anything in my 30 years following the Gunners - unbelievable noise, flags, total support from 57,000 "up for it" Gooners.
And what did the team do?? Shit their collective pants and freeze like a rabbit caught in a 40 ton Scania's headlights. We couldn't have done any more to lift them but they still bottled it. Just as they have done in pretty much every major match since Patrick Vieira kicked his last ball in an Arsenal shirt in May 2005.
People are angry Jacky - not just because we haven't won a trophy in 5 years but because of the same mistakes being repeated over and over again and because of the constant stream of bullshit we are being fed by Arsene and his bunch of yes men.
Jacky Wilshere wrote:
you probably logged in under 20 different accounts to vote ''yes''!!!.
''Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore''---absolute garbage......you should put some of this energy getting behind the team until May and then see where we are.
Im guessing you've only just starting supporting us this season, if you don't know how its going to end.
mate if your username is an indication of your age then i've been supporting Arsenal a lot longer than you have!
I have read the majority of this thread and you dont half speak some garbage!
At the end of the day, this season is going to play out like everyone since 2004/05.
People would pay lots of money to have your powers 1991!Because nobody knows whats going to happen between now and May......you can paint the most positive picture of our club and manager or the most negative but like i said we dont know whats gonna happen between now and May.l Like i said before no change in management is going to happen before May and i think everyone would agree with that so i dont see any positive effect starting things like this is doing when our season is far from dead and buried yet.
By the way, Im not wanting to get rid of arsene. I just want him to feel under pressure. He knows hes got a job for life and it reflects in his management.
Are you not deeply concerned by our embarrassing and shocking losses this season?
selsdon wrote:Here what ur saying Jacky but I can't get behind this team anymore
too much dross which itself aint necessarily a bad thing but when that dross struts around not giving a fuck then questions have to be asked
when someone is constantly picking and then rewarding said dross and over a period of years then more questions have to be asked
this current Arsenal set-up is so far away from the Arsenal i grew up with it may as well as be Tottenham
i can see where your coming from too mate.....but to me it sounds like you've possibly become disillusioned with the club as a whole not just the playing side.i think alot of fans possibly feel like that and the fact that Wenger is the most accesible person to us the fans among the arsenal hierachy in terms of through the media etc means he is probably bearing the brunt of the all the frustration whch i think is a bit unfair.
i honestly believe he is still the best man for the job.Changes possibly need to be made in terms of board level etc which would probably help the on field side of things- i would probably agree with that
I will debate my point of view with anybody sincere and genuine on this forum but I refuse to debate with a wum or somebody like jacky (who could also be on a wind up) whose only response to the criticism is that we should support arsene/arsenal because it is our club and our manager Why not try to pick out specific positives where you can show us how this team and club are going forward ? Show us examples where wenger hasnt lost his ability to judge his players, can still motivate them and is in fact a tactical genius (some hope ). No you are a typical new age fan who refuses to blame wenger cos he used to be a good manager and you think we will fall apart when wenger fcuks off.......I have news for you matey we wont. We were a successful club, setting standards long before your god came around this club and we will return to that level in the future (though clearly not under wenger). By the way if you really are a long standing Gooner then you would be all too aware that we the fans have driven managers and players out of our club in the past so spare me this sanctamonius bullshit about how we are above that - if some *word censored* are taking my hard earned money every week without justifying then I will feel free to let them know
Wenger would have been out of a job two/three yrs ago with any other board
his hands aren't tied, he's kingpin at the bowl
if he wanted to spend 35 million on a player tomorrow there'd be nothing to stop him, absolutely nothing
this is his project and his alone
from allowing edu, gilberto, diarra, flamini to go to allowing denilson, eboue, bender, vela to stay to resting players at the wrong time to taking teams lightly to bullshit excuses week in week out to not fixing our glaring defensive problems for five years to his awful tactics - it's his club and his decisions making a mockery of our club
Arsenal 1991 wrote:Sent the results to arseblogger and johncrossmirror. We need to let the press know that Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore.
you probably logged in under 20 different accounts to vote ''yes''!!!.
''Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore''---absolute garbage......you should put some of this energy getting behind the team until May and then see where we are.
Jacky my friend - were you at the Champions League semi final against Man Utd in May 2009?
The atmosphere in the ground was as good as anything in my 30 years following the Gunners - unbelievable noise, flags, total support from 57,000 "up for it" Gooners.
And what did the team do?? Shit their collective pants and freeze like a rabbit caught in a 40 ton Scania's headlights. We couldn't have done any more to lift them but they still bottled it. Just as they have done in pretty much every major match since Patrick Vieira kicked his last ball in an Arsenal shirt in May 2005.
People are angry Jacky - not just because we haven't won a trophy in 5 years but because of the same mistakes being repeated over and over again and because of the constant stream of bullshit we are being fed by Arsene and his bunch of yes men.
was at that game Jumpers. unreal atmosphere pre kick off.Even the ''Wonder of You'' had people pumped up and singing!! and i agree with you the team did bottle it,i cant dispute that. however i will say that at some point the players have to stand up and take some responsibility.
take last night for instance,that starting XI should have had enough to beat Ipswich,the players need to step it up and if they showed half as much passion as Arsene does for being involved with our club we'd have no problems.
i think people are so frustrated,not because of the inability of the team,but more because of the potential ability of the team if that makes sense??!!we go from looking like world beaters against city and chelski to performances like last night and thats where i feel the players need to take some responsibility and repay some of the faith arsene has shown them
Arsenal 1991 wrote:Sent the results to arseblogger and johncrossmirror. We need to let the press know that Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore.
you probably logged in under 20 different accounts to vote ''yes''!!!.
''Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore''---absolute garbage......you should put some of this energy getting behind the team until May and then see where we are.
Jacky my friend - were you at the Champions League semi final against Man Utd in May 2009?
The atmosphere in the ground was as good as anything in my 30 years following the Gunners - unbelievable noise, flags, total support from 57,000 "up for it" Gooners.
And what did the team do?? Shit their collective pants and freeze like a rabbit caught in a 40 ton Scania's headlights. We couldn't have done any more to lift them but they still bottled it. Just as they have done in pretty much every major match since Patrick Vieira kicked his last ball in an Arsenal shirt in May 2005.
People are angry Jacky - not just because we haven't won a trophy in 5 years but because of the same mistakes being repeated over and over again and because of the constant stream of bullshit we are being fed by Arsene and his bunch of yes men.
was at that game Jumpers. unreal atmosphere pre kick off.Even the ''Wonder of You'' had people pumped up and singing!! and i agree with you the team did bottle it,i cant dispute that. however i will say that at some point the players have to stand up and take some responsibility.
take last night for instance,that starting XI should have had enough to beat Ipswich,the players need to step it up and if they showed half as much passion as Arsene does for being involved with our club we'd have no problems.
i think people are so frustrated,not because of the inability of the team,but more because of the potential ability of the team if that makes sense??!!we go from looking like world beaters against city and chelski to performances like last night and thats where i feel the players need to take some responsibility and repay some of the faith arsene has shown them
Spot on for me. But don't you think arsene has got to take at least some of the blame. They are all his players, found using his scouting network, coached by his coaches, using his coaching methods, using his tactics. I could go on.
Jacky - I almost think that you're starting to doubt it yourself and that you don't quite believe in Arsene as much as you would like to.
You make points like :-
however i will say that at some point the players have to stand up and take some responsibility.
take last night for instance,that starting XI should have had enough to beat Ipswich,
we go from looking like world beaters against city and chelski to performances like last night and thats where i feel the players need to take some responsibility and repay some of the faith arsene has shown them
BUT - Arsene brought every one of those players to the Club; Arsene rewarded every one of those players with stupidly large contracts; the majority of those players under-perform week in week out; last night was a semi-final and most of them looked as if they didn't give a shit; and Arsene does sod all about it!!
All we get from the bloody man is "Judge me in May" or "we played a little bit with the hand-brake on" or "we were tired" or "we must respond with a good performance" or "this is the best squad I have ever had".
It's the same mistakes over & over & over again and Arsene is just letting things drift. He is a man living on the past!
augie wrote:I will debate my point of view with anybody sincere and genuine on this forum but I refuse to debate with a wum or somebody like jacky (who could also be on a wind up) whose only response to the criticism is that we should support arsene/arsenal because it is our club and our manager Why not try to pick out specific positives where you can show us how this team and club are going forward ? Show us examples where wenger hasnt lost his ability to judge his players, can still motivate them and is in fact a tactical genius (some hope ). No you are a typical new age fan who refuses to blame wenger cos he used to be a good manager and you think we will fall apart when wenger fcuks off.......I have news for you matey we wont. We were a successful club, setting standards long before your god came around this club and we will return to that level in the future (though clearly not under wenger). By the way if you really are a long standing Gooner then you would be all too aware that we the fans have driven managers and players out of our club in the past so spare me this sanctamonius bullshit about how we are above that - if some c**ts are taking my hard earned money every week without justifying then I will feel free to let them know
not even gonna give a decent reply to that dross....i have an opinion that differs from yours so deal with it!! dont try to brush me off as a WUM because i have an opinion that differs from yours......i am entitled to air it how i feel to do so as I TOO spend my hard earned cash on the club.
''if i am really a long standing gooner''...what are you on about? just because im not a miserable sod like you, you're questioning me whether im a WUM or not.I discussed all this before with you.!!
this forum is not just solely your little anti wenger/modern arsenal forum you know?people are entitled to offer differing opinions to yours
Arsenal 1991 wrote:Sent the results to arseblogger and johncrossmirror. We need to let the press know that Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore.
you probably logged in under 20 different accounts to vote ''yes''!!!.
''Arsene doesn't have the unconditional support of arsenal fans anymore''---absolute garbage......you should put some of this energy getting behind the team until May and then see where we are.
Jacky my friend - were you at the Champions League semi final against Man Utd in May 2009?
The atmosphere in the ground was as good as anything in my 30 years following the Gunners - unbelievable noise, flags, total support from 57,000 "up for it" Gooners.
And what did the team do?? Shit their collective pants and freeze like a rabbit caught in a 40 ton Scania's headlights. We couldn't have done any more to lift them but they still bottled it. Just as they have done in pretty much every major match since Patrick Vieira kicked his last ball in an Arsenal shirt in May 2005.
People are angry Jacky - not just because we haven't won a trophy in 5 years but because of the same mistakes being repeated over and over again and because of the constant stream of bullshit we are being fed by Arsene and his bunch of yes men.
was at that game Jumpers. unreal atmosphere pre kick off.Even the ''Wonder of You'' had people pumped up and singing!! and i agree with you the team did bottle it,i cant dispute that. however i will say that at some point the players have to stand up and take some responsibility.
take last night for instance,that starting XI should have had enough to beat Ipswich,the players need to step it up and if they showed half as much passion as Arsene does for being involved with our club we'd have no problems.
i think people are so frustrated,not because of the inability of the team,but more because of the potential ability of the team if that makes sense??!!we go from looking like world beaters against city and chelski to performances like last night and thats where i feel the players need to take some responsibility and repay some of the faith arsene has shown them
Spot on for me. But don't you think arsene has got to take at least some of the blame. They are all his players, found using his scouting network, coached by his coaches, using his coaching methods, using his tactics. I could go on.
arsene has made his mistakes the same as every coach does........all im saying is i dont think he should be sacked or leave cause i still think he has alot to offer to the club,thats what the title of this thread was about!
i think people are pissed off with the club as a whole,not just the playing side but yet they are venting their anger at wenger for everything..arsene wenger is an employee of arsenal football club and contrary to what some believe,we do have other decision makers at our club aswell as a board of directorsl!
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:Jacky - I almost think that you're starting to doubt it yourself and that you don't quite believe in Arsene as much as you would like to.
You make points like :-
however i will say that at some point the players have to stand up and take some responsibility.
take last night for instance,that starting XI should have had enough to beat Ipswich,
we go from looking like world beaters against city and chelski to performances like last night and thats where i feel the players need to take some responsibility and repay some of the faith arsene has shown them
BUT - Arsene brought every one of those players to the Club; Arsene rewarded every one of those players with stupidly large contracts; the majority of those players under-perform week in week out; last night was a semi-final and most of them looked as if they didn't give a shit; and Arsene does sod all about it!!
All we get from the bloody man is "Judge me in May" or "we played a little bit with the hand-brake on" or "we were tired" or "we must respond with a good performance" or "this is the best squad I have ever had".
It's the same mistakes over & over & over again and Arsene is just letting things drift. He is a man living on the past!
i have faith in arsene i can assure you! all im saying is things like this thread are not helpful to the mood of the club or the supporters when everthing is still all to play for this season! I am assuming of course that as Arsenal fans that we are united in the aim of wanting to win something ?But that cant be taken for granted on this forum either i suppose as i have seen people sayin they couldnt give a shit whether we lose certain games!
Why not try to pick out specific positives where you can show us how this team and club are going forward ? Show us examples where wenger hasnt lost his ability to judge his players, can still motivate them and is in fact a tactical genius (some hope 
and i agree with you the team did bottle it,i cant dispute that. however i will say that at some point the players have to stand up and take some responsibility.