CAN WE BLOW TOP 4 FINISH. AND AN ADMISSION

[augie]

I had been predicting for a while now that we would be in a battle with the chavs and the scum for the last 2 champs lge spots (3rd and 4th) but with the chavs ongoing collapse I now believe we will finish 3rd. The only get out clause in my prediction is that it depends on our response from the pasting we will get from barca cos historically this team doesnt usually respond will in times like that and a severe beating could lead to a total capitulation Of course a good performance and a respectable defeat could actually give the team confidence to kick on although as a team these guys either seem to have a total lack of belief or suffer from over confidence......there just doesnt seem to be a middle ground for them

I am speculating here (cos I dont know what goes on in sid's head but then again who does ) but I would suggest that sid's concerns re winning the carling cup is that should we do so many fans will point to that and claim it to be a good season even if we collapse in every other competition. Winning the beer cup would be nice (nothing more than that) but seeing as we have a real real chance at winning our first league title in 7 years a collapse would be a catastrophy and is something that would and should bring a backlash especially if a lack of centre backs was cited as a big reason for missing out on the league

[DB10GOONER]

I had been predicting for a while now that we would be in a battle with the chavs and the scum for the last 2 champs lge spots (3rd and 4th) but with the chavs ongoing collapse I now believe we will finish 3rd. The only get out clause in my prediction is that it depends on our response from the pasting we will get from barca cos historically this team doesnt usually respond will in times like that and a severe beating could lead to a total capitulation Of course a good performance and a respectable defeat could actually give the team confidence to kick on although as a team these guys either seem to have a total lack of belief or suffer from over confidence......there just doesnt seem to be a middle ground for them

I am speculating here (cos I dont know what goes on in sid's head but then again who does ) but I would suggest that sid's concerns re winning the carling cup is that should we do so many fans will point to that and claim it to be a good season even if we collapse in every other competition. Winning the beer cup would be nice (nothing more than that) but seeing as we have a real real chance at winning our first league title in 7 years a collapse would be a catastrophy and is something that would and should bring a backlash especially if a lack of centre backs was cited as a big reason for missing out on the league

I think most of us realise what sid was saying to be fair. The problem with this theory though is that the fans are basically divided into two camps now (proWenger and antiWenger to simplify it).

No matter what happens I think there won't be a paradigm shift either way. There won't be mass protests against Wenger. If we win the final but collapse on all other fronts the proWengerites will point at winning the final as success and there are enough of them to drown out the antiWengerites more or less. The antiWengerites will point to a collapse as what they predicted and to the final win as "not enough".

Even if we lose the final and collapse on all other fronts the ProWengerites will point to getting to the final as justification of The Project.

I think both sides of the divide are so entrenched that in effect nothing will change.

As for the board? They will never sack Wenger while he keeps the CL money coming in and throws in an odd cup final appearance every few years - something he can do even with the poor players in the current squad. And they will certainly never sack him because SOME of our fans (I'm one) want Wenger to go because of his consistant failure to deliver the success (or at very least address the obvious team issues) that we demand. We simply don't come into the board's management equation to that extent.

[marcengels]

I had been predicting for a while now that we would be in a battle with the chavs and the scum for the last 2 champs lge spots (3rd and 4th) but with the chavs ongoing collapse I now believe we will finish 3rd. The only get out clause in my prediction is that it depends on our response from the pasting we will get from barca cos historically this team doesnt usually respond will in times like that and a severe beating could lead to a total capitulation Of course a good performance and a respectable defeat could actually give the team confidence to kick on although as a team these guys either seem to have a total lack of belief or suffer from over confidence......there just doesnt seem to be a middle ground for them

I am speculating here (cos I dont know what goes on in sid's head but then again who does ) but I would suggest that sid's concerns re winning the carling cup is that should we do so many fans will point to that and claim it to be a good season even if we collapse in every other competition. Winning the beer cup would be nice (nothing more than that) but seeing as we have a real real chance at winning our first league title in 7 years a collapse would be a catastrophy and is something that would and should bring a backlash especially if a lack of centre backs was cited as a big reason for missing out on the league

I think most of us realise what sid was saying to be fair. The problem with this theory though is that the fans are basically divided into two camps now (proWenger and antiWenger to simplify it).

No matter what happens I think there won't be a paradigm shift either way. There won't be mass protests against Wenger. If we win the final but collapse on all other fronts the proWengerites will point at winning the final as success and there are enough of them to drown out the antiWengerites more or less. The antiWengerites will point to a collapse as what they predicted and to the final win as "not enough".

Even if we lose the final and collapse on all other fronts the ProWengerites will point to getting to the final as justification of The Project.

I think both sides of the divide are so entrenched that in effect nothing will change.

As for the board? They will never sack Wenger while he keeps the CL money coming in and throws in an odd cup final appearance every few years - something he can do even with the poor players in the current squad. And they will certainly never sack him because SOME of our fans (I'm one) want Wenger to go because of his consistant failure to deliver the success (or at very least address the obvious team issues) that we demand. We simply don't come into the board's management equation to that extent.

Little short of an excellent post.

[DB10GOONER]

I had been predicting for a while now that we would be in a battle with the chavs and the scum for the last 2 champs lge spots (3rd and 4th) but with the chavs ongoing collapse I now believe we will finish 3rd. The only get out clause in my prediction is that it depends on our response from the pasting we will get from barca cos historically this team doesnt usually respond will in times like that and a severe beating could lead to a total capitulation Of course a good performance and a respectable defeat could actually give the team confidence to kick on although as a team these guys either seem to have a total lack of belief or suffer from over confidence......there just doesnt seem to be a middle ground for them

I am speculating here (cos I dont know what goes on in sid's head but then again who does ) but I would suggest that sid's concerns re winning the carling cup is that should we do so many fans will point to that and claim it to be a good season even if we collapse in every other competition. Winning the beer cup would be nice (nothing more than that) but seeing as we have a real real chance at winning our first league title in 7 years a collapse would be a catastrophy and is something that would and should bring a backlash especially if a lack of centre backs was cited as a big reason for missing out on the league

I think most of us realise what sid was saying to be fair. The problem with this theory though is that the fans are basically divided into two camps now (proWenger and antiWenger to simplify it).

No matter what happens I think there won't be a paradigm shift either way. There won't be mass protests against Wenger. If we win the final but collapse on all other fronts the proWengerites will point at winning the final as success and there are enough of them to drown out the antiWengerites more or less. The antiWengerites will point to a collapse as what they predicted and to the final win as "not enough".

Even if we lose the final and collapse on all other fronts the ProWengerites will point to getting to the final as justification of The Project.

I think both sides of the divide are so entrenched that in effect nothing will change.

As for the board? They will never sack Wenger while he keeps the CL money coming in and throws in an odd cup final appearance every few years - something he can do even with the poor players in the current squad. And they will certainly never sack him because SOME of our fans (I'm one) want Wenger to go because of his consistant failure to deliver the success (or at very least address the obvious team issues) that we demand. We simply don't come into the board's management equation to that extent.

My missus wants to throat your cock DB10.

Fixed that for you marc.

[marcengels]

and there was me being nice.

[DB10GOONER]

So does my boyfriend.

Seriously marc - I'm flattered and all, but STOP GROOMING ME!! I'm straight and married - deal with it.

[USMartin]

Well said Also it isnt USMartin that ruins threads like this with his obsession with the board its the posters that reply to him prolonging his obsession and our misery

You can blame me for whatever you want but you know the truth - your misery is because of your pain and frustration and dispappointment at what has happened the last six years, and perfectly understandable.

We all invest more than just money into Arsenal - we each invest or hearts our souls, our lives and our money in to Arsenal Football Club freely and proudly. I wnet back through my records andme an American who first trip to actually see the team I am ashamed to say was only in 2003 have invested enough to almost purchase 3 full shares in the club at the going price today of 11000 GBP.

And consider what you pay as a season ticket holder or an away scheme member and how many years you have been either or both. Some of you have sunk enough into Arsenal to purchase five and ten maybe even more shares than that. All we want in return is to support the club we love and to see it give the best effort possible to achieve the most success that it can and to be able to share in and celebrate that success.

And the policies instituted over the last six years have stolen the joy from us and they have brought on our misery. And this will only continue so long as we let it. Maybe the Board doesn't care what we think and won't respond to what we do to try and express how we feel, but don't you care how you feel.

I cannot judge sid at all whether I agree with him or not because I have not dealt with him regularly enough - but I know this - he is in pain because seeing what has happened to his team since 2006 hurts, because I am in pain too - we all are really. And we should care abiout that and we should at least care eniough to try and communicate this in a way that at least has some chance to either lead to us feeling better about Arsenal or about ourselves.

We deserve better from the club than this pain we all feel - whether you are in the Wenger Knows or the Wenger Out camp. Whether you trust the Board without exception or believe the Board has lost its way - you deserve better. Maybe the shareholders wouldn't believe this but we have invested more far more in this club then they have - we invest ourselves. We are Arsenal. And that is why this hurts us so much and angers us so much.

And that should matter to our Club and our Board but even if it may not, it should matter enough to us to stand for ourselves and our Club so that when the next set of history books write these chapters we can hold our heads high about our place in them at least. Our pain should matter. Our anger should matter. Let's make it do so.

[QuartzGooner]

Bah Humbug.

GoonerSid and Augie are just miserable by nature

[MK Gould]

I'm still shocked to have read "paradigm shift" being used on the forum..... A clear example of how the Irish take education so much more seriously than the English.....!

[DB10GOONER]

I'm still shocked to have read "paradigm shift" being used on the forum..... A clear example of how the Irish take education so much more seriously than the English.....!

Sorry...

Ah shor tis ta be fair wit dat oul tinkin' an all dat stuff now to be shor to be shor...

Hope that helps, Mick!


My God, I just typed in "Culchie"!! What the fuck did I type? Rebel? Little help?

[franksav63]

I'm still shocked to have read "paradigm shift" being used on the forum..... A clear example of how the Irish take education so much more seriously than the English.....!

Sorry...

Ah shor tis ta be fair wit dat oul tinkin' an all dat stuff now to be shor to be shor...

Hope that helps, Mick!


My God, I just typed in "Culchie"!! What the fuck did I type? Rebel? Little help?

Hmmm... a sentence by DB10 with subliminal short word references... (Shortist and Shorto) Hmmm...

[DB10GOONER]

I'm still shocked to have read "paradigm shift" being used on the forum..... A clear example of how the Irish take education so much more seriously than the English.....!

Sorry...

Ah shor tis ta be fair wit dat oul tinkin' an all dat stuff now to be shor to be shor...

Hope that helps, Mick!


My God, I just typed in "Culchie"!! What the fuck did I type? Rebel? Little help?

Hmmm... a sentence by DB10 with subliminal short word references... (Shortist and Shorto) Hmmm...

Well spotted, Fwank. You bizarre dwarf.

[yeahbaby]

I think the question we should be asking ourselves is "can we fuck up a top 4 finish"? the answer most definitely being yes.
With Kos and Squillachi looking likely to be our CB pairing for a while to come (anyone believing TV will be back soon will be disappointed), Al only an injury away from being back between the sticks and a morale crushing heavy loss to Barca pending, it could well happen.
Add to this our awful home form, the spuds grinding out results and the mousers new found belief and I don't think a top 4 finish is by any means guaranteed.
This is why Wenger will now be praying that he can win the tinpot carling cup, he can then use that as this seasons "success".
So I am going to say it and you can all slate me for not being a "true fan" But if I ask myself in all honesty "do I want us to win the Carling Cup? Then the answer is probably NO.
Enough is enough, and I don't care what misfortune or failure we have to endure, if the means finally justify the ends and we are rid of this lying, pathetic excuse of a man.

we'll do what we ALWAYS do. but maybe (and thats a BIG MAYBE!) with one piece of silverware. The board will be happy and nothing will change......

[Arsenal 1991]

What will you say if we win the quad?

[goonersid]

What will you say if we win the quad?

Uuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! then drop dead from ensuing heart attack.