The Y-Word

[mikeyb772001]

Anyone that says they have never laughed at a racist joke is a liar

Fucking racists!!!

[DB10GOONER]

It's not illegal. As Irish Gooner says, how can a word be illegal?! Frowned upon in certain quarters maybe, but definitely not illegal. Just another bullshit lie made up by those trying to sanitise the game.

Like "washing" in France - not illegal, but frowned upon.

or xenophobia in Engerland.

or women with shaved armpits in Germany

Or Germans that know anything about goalkeepers

[Irish Gooner]

Irishgooner - while words may not be illegal in Oireland, racism is. There was a famous case in Dublin a few years ago where a white Dubliner called a black Nigerian guy the "N" word after a near miss at a traffic lights. Two off duty cops overheard it and arrested him for racist abuse. The guy was fined.

What charge? I honestly didnt know it was against the law. Tbh though that seems to be an isolated case in the big smoke.

Dont think I've ever heard the n word too much in the countryside, but alot of taxis drivers get abuse, including the black guys, alot of them can be dodgey though.

I hear stuff like p***, black *word censored* etc, and most people call the stingy guys jews.

Its still wrong though but I dont think its the same here as London, it aint as multicultural, yet.

[Vince]

I talked about it with a gooner from north london, but who is israeli. And he told me he's never been offended by the fact many gooners call the Spurs ****. But the chants about holocaust should be condemned to be fair.

[Irish Gooner]

Agree with the view if they call themselves the y** army , and sing chants like "jermain defoe, y***", then the word is fair game for anyone else to use.

Also agree that the lets kick it out campaign has served its purpose now. I have not seen any overtly open racism at any game for quite a while now, but certainly not in the last 5 years. In fact I think their campaigns actually serve to stirring up racism where none is present, Its almost as if they are trying to manufacture an outpouring of commendation as so they can act upon it and justify their existence. How do they even get their funding anyway? My taxes no doubt *sorry for going a bit daily mail at the end*

I agree, but there will always be a certain element of racism going around but it seems its been eliminated from the stands.

I also agree that all this bollocks of kick it out telling us what we can and cannot do actual harms their cause as people will react and do it more.

Lets cut to the chase, anti semitism is not a real problem in football, so all this stuff is just bollocks and a waste of time.

Nothing gets said in the stadiums, its all in the pubs and one of the pubs was a Spurs one I think.

This stuff aint gonna stop anything.

[Irish Gooner]

I talked about it with a gooner from north london, but who is israeli. And he told me he's never been offended by the fact many gooners call the Spurs y****s. But the chants about holocaust should be condemned to be fair.

I agree wholeheartedly that there isnt place for holocaust stuff but to me I for one have not heard a chant like that in the stadiums or through tv for a long long time.

I could be wrong I usually am, but I just have not heard it.

[Vince]

I talked about it with a gooner from north london, but who is israeli. And he told me he's never been offended by the fact many gooners call the Spurs y****s. But the chants about holocaust should be condemned to be fair.

I agree wholeheartedly that there isnt place for holocaust stuff but to me I for one have not heard a chant like that in the stadiums or through tv for a long long time.

I could be wrong I usually am, but I just have not heard it.

Me neither. I don't think there's a antisemitism problem in the stadium.

[DB10GOONER]

I do find it a bit strange that some people are mortally offended by words that other people find not offensive at all. Being an Oirishman (and one that worked on the sites in London) I never took offence to the Engerlish lads calling me "Paddy" or "Mick" but some of my fellow Micks did. Saw more than a few scraps go off because of it.

[Almunia is a clown]

If the y**army website gets closed down & their fans stop using the word then they might have a point, however racist abuse is still often aimed at Welsh, Scottish & Irish players & those of similar descent in the Premier League without any action taken at all. And those English of Romany descent are constantly pilloried in the media & public!

No chance of these politically correct types in quangos that get taxpayers money to justify their existence acting on that form of racism though is there? I know people that have complained to various organisations regarding this issue & been told that you can't be racist only prejudice in that instance.

Some in the politically correct agenda even hide behind the above policy by claiming that indigenous people don't exist in this part of the world

[Irish Gooner]

I do find it a bit strange that some people are mortally offended by words that other people find not offensive at all. Being an Oirishman (and one that worked on the sites in London) I never took offence to the Engerlish lads calling me "Paddy" or "Mick" but some of my fellow Micks did. Saw more than a few scraps go off because of it.

yep your right there. I think it all depends on the undercurrent to it, alot of people just use these words without anything behind it or on a wind up.

I think though there are some people who genuinely hate blacks, Irish, jews etc etc and just use these words as a tool for their hate.

I dunno how I would feel if some English bloke detested me as a person just cause I'm Irish, and threw in alot of names in my direction. I probably wouldnt take to kind to that.

Personally I always try not be abusive to people, especially those I dont know, but I have a problem with constant swearing and mood swings as most on this forum probably have long realised ( ) and when it comes to football the fireworks come out.

I have nothing against any race and Im in dismay when hear those who do , but I wont pretend I dont use a few words close to the line and I am someone who strongly hates the politically correct bullshit these days.

As Ireland generally follows Englands lead in alot of this stuff I hope we never get as bad as over there!

[Henry Norris 1913]

personally I think the auschtwitz song is bang out of order but the "Y" word is a bit of banter at a football match. I wouldn't use it out of football or talking about it

[flash gunner]

Personally I always try not be abusive to people, especially those I dont know, but I have a problem with constant swearing and mood swings as most on this forum probably have long realised ( )

Dont worry mate i just put you down as 'outlandish'

[marcengels]

I do find it a bit strange that some people are mortally offended by words that other people find not offensive at all. Being an Oirishman (and one that worked on the sites in London) I never took offence to the Engerlish lads calling me "Paddy" or "Mick" but some of my fellow Micks did. Saw more than a few scraps go off because of it.

yep your right there. I think it all depends on the undercurrent to it, alot of people just use these words without anything behind it or on a wind up.

I think though there are some people who genuinely hate blacks, Irish, jews etc etc and just use these words as a tool for their hate.

I dunno how I would feel if some English bloke detested me as a person just cause I'm Irish, and threw in alot of names in my direction. I probably wouldnt take to kind to that.

Personally I always try not be abusive to people, especially those I dont know, but I have a problem with constant swearing and mood swings as most on this forum probably have long realised ( ) and when it comes to football the fireworks come out.

I have nothing against any race and Im in dismay when hear those who do , but I wont pretend I dont use a few words close to the line and I am someone who strongly hates the politically correct bullshit these days.

As Ireland generally follows Englands lead in alot of this stuff I hope we never get as bad as over there!

The problem is IG, the person who is offended has no idea sometimes whether you have hate in your heart or not. They associate the word with hate, and/or hateful actions, so it is therefore always offensive.

[Deise Gooner]

I never use the y-word or the n-word for that matter but when certain sections of society are allowed to use it freely like Spurs fans do with their chants, banners, merchandise and like how the n-word is used an awful lot in urban music which is a massive part of our culture now its hard for those who listen to this music on the radio or hear the fans singing these chants and think well if its acceptable for them to use that word how come its not acceptable for me. Either nobody should use it or everyone should use it.

[Bergkamp-Genius]

I'm sorry Deise i don't agree....
Just because some in a minority or group use words used to abuse them to refer to themselves or theirs in a friendly way....that does not justify others from outside of that group using those words.
The history of these words when used by outsiders has been to abuse and that is how it is predominantly viewed by those on the end of it, so that is how it should be viewed by anyone from outside of the group using it or listening to others using it...just because some on the end of it say they don't mind that doesn't make it OK...

I suppose the way to assess how OK you think it is to use these words is to think if your own child happened to be, for instance black or pakistani due to your partner being so...would you keep calling him/her n***** or p*** throughout his/her childhood kidding yourself it was all a bit of fun.....only if there was something seriously wrong with you...

As for the Spurs thing my guess is the vast majority of Spurs fans who use the term Y**** are about as Jewish as the pope which is probably why the term was initially taken on as a badge of honour by them, because it meant little to them other than a bit of football banter...I'm not so sure the phrase would be taken so lightly by the vast majority of jews who are not Spurs fans or into football banter...and that should always be taken into account when using these words...