I Hate Hleb wrote:Thanks SteveO. Was going to pull piresistible up about his first paragraph but you've done it for me.
Nothing could better illustrate that the guy is probably a JCL who supports Arsene not Arsenal FC than those comments. Talk about not knowing your history!!
Learn our history you mouthy wengerite. We had won 10 league championships before wenger, and the FA Cup 6 times. We had just signed DB10 and Highbury was nowhere near the smallest ground in the league in '96.Why do so called supporters have such short memories? Look at where we were before Arsene ? A Jobbing club that sometimes got lucky, but were never as successful as say l?pool, United, Forest, Leeds etc. We were playing at Highbury, the smallest (but nicest) stadium in the league. To be blunt, we were just another villa or Everton. Now however, due to the diligence shown by Arsene and the previous board, we are regulars in europe, we have the best stadium in the league which provides us with over £5 million every home match, we are a continued presence in the ?top four?.
No point blaming the arsenal board. The root cause of why you have been priced out lies at the door of this mob:80sgoon wrote:My problem is with the board and all the c**ts that have squeezed the working class out of the game since 98,moved home and made being a gooner unbearable at times, as for what goes on the pitch you fucking live with it until he retires as it was only a few years ago you where singing his name out loud.
Some of us never could as we where pushed and priced out or banned.
Remember it well, 2-0 down then sored late and actually should have equalised after that.mikeyb772001 wrote:What pisses me off was that sheep arsenal fans thinking there was no life before Wenger
I wish to god that we didn’t get beat by Chelsea back in feb 91. That season we lost once and that was so close its unreal. We still scored more goals over that season!!!
This for me was a huge achievement. Lets not forget winning the league at anfield and the cup double in 93
But your right we was small club back then
goonersid wrote:Remember it well, 2-0 down then sored late and actually should have equalised after that.mikeyb772001 wrote:What pisses me off was that sheep arsenal fans thinking there was no life before Wenger
I wish to god that we didn’t get beat by Chelsea back in feb 91. That season we lost once and that was so close its unreal. We still scored more goals over that season!!!
This for me was a huge achievement. Lets not forget winning the league at anfield and the cup double in 93
But your right we was small club back then
Afraid it was the radio for me Mikey.mikeyb772001 wrote:goonersid wrote:Remember it well, 2-0 down then sored late and actually should have equalised after that.mikeyb772001 wrote:What pisses me off was that sheep arsenal fans thinking there was no life before Wenger
I wish to god that we didn’t get beat by Chelsea back in feb 91. That season we lost once and that was so close its unreal. We still scored more goals over that season!!!
This for me was a huge achievement. Lets not forget winning the league at anfield and the cup double in 93
But your right we was small club back then
i was at that game too! Stood up right at the back , couldnt see a thing!
Wasnt it a Alan Smith foul to which he did only once?
every top PL club needs a group that will stand up for the supporters who have or will be pushed out, sky already knows that the football is in decline through foreign satellites and the EU on murdochs case,that's why it's spending 100s of millions buying up film/entertainment channels. No my problem is now with this new board now all the other *word censored* have lined up there pockets and fucked off.LDB wrote:No point blaming the arsenal board. The root cause of why you have been priced out lies at the door of this mob:80sgoon wrote:My problem is with the board and all the c**ts that have squeezed the working class out of the game since 98,moved home and made being a gooner unbearable at times, as for what goes on the pitch you fucking live with it until he retires as it was only a few years ago you where singing his name out loud.
Some of us never could as we where pushed and priced out or banned.
Top post.Bang on SteveoSteveO 35 wrote:Listen - everyone is entitled to their opinion and you're not going to get shot down for that....but please don't try to change the course of history and please get your facts straightpiresistible wrote:Why do so called supporters have such short memories? Look at where we were before Arsene – A Jobbing club that sometimes got lucky, but were never as successful as say l’pool, United, Forest, Leeds etc. We were playing at Highbury, the smallest (but nicest) stadium in the league. To be blunt, we were just another villa or Everton. Now however, due to the diligence shown by Arsene and the previous board, we are regulars in europe, we have the best stadium in the league which provides us with over £5 million every home match, we are a continued presence in the ‘top four’.
I really believe that if one or two reffing decisions had not been so outrageously bad, we would have progressed to the final of the CL and that we would have won the league. We are so close. the difference between our success and failure is so small, its indeterminable.
who is regularly winning cups? the financially irregular teams, thats who. now we cant all be that way, there arent enough oil billionaires out there, and even if we could, would we want to.
I think that the answer to this question defines you as a supporter. Personally I wouldnt like to see us emulate chelsea, united or city. two of those clubs buy their trophies ( we can all do that) and the other has borrowed massively to buy theirs.
can we not agree that when we win a cup, it will be worth 10 times as much because we won it fairly and honorably? Like, and I hate to say it, Birmingham. they havent sold their soul to the devil at the crossroads, they may carry some debt, but their spending pales into insignificance when compared to most teams in the league.
I would like to cheer you up by listing a few positives of Arsenal at the moment. we have one of the top four managers in the world – let’s face it, if arsene goes, he will be snapped up far quicker than a decent replacement could be found. We have the best stadium in the league, We have zero real debt, a new owner with very deep pockets, Ramsay and Vermaelen have just come back and will be like two new signings next season. The FPP rules have the ability (maybe not the conviction) to really level the playing field in terms of financial doping. some reffing technology is being seriously considered by fifa and uefa, and to cap it all off the spuds have still won nothing, havent got champs league and finished below us in the league.
We are the Arsenal, the mighty mighty Arsenal.
Before Arsene Wenger joined Arsenal in 1996, only Liverpool had won more domestic titles; the 18 they still have today. United were on ten and prior to Ferguson they only had 7. Leeds United have won the title three times and Forest once. So how that makes us on a par with them or a 'jobbing' club whatever that is supposed to mean, needs some more explaining from you.
In those days no English club was a regular in Europe as we'd emerged from a ban and the title had a period of swapping between Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds, Blackburn and United, before the days when Champions League positions were dished out to the top 4. In GG's days we regularly qualified for Europe either the UEFA, Cup Winners or the European Cup (sadly denied our right in 1989, but thank everyone's 2nd loves Liverpool for that)
Most stadia in this country were on a par with our 38,000 odd capacity - only OT was notably bigger.
The comment about a couple of reffing decisions is completely speculative. United could argue they should have had a penalty at the Emirates (and they should) and in the first part of the season we'd had more penalties than anyone else (and some of them very soft ones with the likes of Chamakh taking an all too easy tumble).
Manchester United are the most regular winners of cups and they are not financially irregular. They have 16.5% high interest bonds to service from their income and they are doing it comfortably actually; read the accounts. Chelsea I agree are financially irregular but won nothing this year and City have now won a trophy finally. You might not like United's ownership structure but there is nothing irregular about it; it was a leveraged buy-out of a PLC....happens all the time. If they don't service the debt they fold - simple as that. But they are servicing the debt
To say we have zero real debt is also completely untrue - if you debt secured against an asset then trust me that is real debt. A term loan that can not be repaid early, and 17 years is a long time to generate the consistent level of cash flow required to service it.
The Financial Fair Play rules have not yet been fully drawn up by UEFA and in any case will be filled with loopholes. Its not inconceivable that Europe's elite clubs will breakaway if they don't like the rules (much as F1 teams threatened to do 2 years ago, and the leading darts players did years before that). City is run by men so independantly wealthy that they will not have some delegates from UEFA telling them that they can't spend 200m. Real, Barca, Chelsea, City and possibly others will run rough over whatever rules are set and then what do you think will happen. UEFA will kick them all out and devalue their own competitions......I think not. The whole thing has honourable intentions but is impossible to administer. If someone gazumps you on a property can you go running to some official body and cry "foul play" ?
You make some good, impassioned arguments on Wenger's behalf but you have also changed the course of history.
In my four years on this forum, THIS has to be the most laughable post I've EVER seen. Not only have you contradicted yourself with the whole Chelsea-City purchasing of trophies by including Kroenke as a good thing about Arsenal. "Deep pockets" - doesn't this mean we're heading down the same route you just criticised?piresistible wrote:Why do so called supporters have such short memories? Look at where we were before Arsene – A Jobbing club that sometimes got lucky, but were never as successful as say l’pool, United, Forest, Leeds etc. We were playing at Highbury, the smallest (but nicest) stadium in the league. To be blunt, we were just another villa or Everton. Now however, due to the diligence shown by Arsene and the previous board, we are regulars in europe, we have the best stadium in the league which provides us with over £5 million every home match, we are a continued presence in the ‘top four’.
I really believe that if one or two reffing decisions had not been so outrageously bad, we would have progressed to the final of the CL and that we would have won the league. We are so close. the difference between our success and failure is so small, its indeterminable.
who is regularly winning cups? the financially irregular teams, thats who. now we cant all be that way, there arent enough oil billionaires out there, and even if we could, would we want to.
I think that the answer to this question defines you as a supporter. Personally I wouldnt like to see us emulate chelsea, united or city. two of those clubs buy their trophies ( we can all do that) and the other has borrowed massively to buy theirs.
can we not agree that when we win a cup, it will be worth 10 times as much because we won it fairly and honorably? Like, and I hate to say it, Birmingham. they havent sold their soul to the devil at the crossroads, they may carry some debt, but their spending pales into insignificance when compared to most teams in the league.
I would like to cheer you up by listing a few positives of Arsenal at the moment. we have one of the top four managers in the world – let’s face it, if arsene goes, he will be snapped up far quicker than a decent replacement could be found. We have the best stadium in the league, We have zero real debt, a new owner with very deep pockets, Ramsay and Vermaelen have just come back and will be like two new signings next season. The FPP rules have the ability (maybe not the conviction) to really level the playing field in terms of financial doping. some reffing technology is being seriously considered by fifa and uefa, and to cap it all off the spuds have still won nothing, havent got champs league and finished below us in the league.
We are the Arsenal, the mighty mighty Arsenal.
