Transfer Rumours Thread

[I believe overall]

Overall I believe I believe overall that ur spouting rubbish.

Year of overacheivement? When was that exactly?

Need to sell before we can buy? Wasn't that the point of selling our soul and leaving Highbury so we could compete with Europe's elite?

Why have a replacement for Nasri and Cesc before they leave? Erm, cover?

Highest paid manager in the land, matchday revenue on a par with Utd, a wage bill woefully out of line with what we're achieving, highest ticket prices in the world yet the likes of you, Wenger and the board plead poverty.

Let me spell it out for you, it's all bollocks mate.

Like you I pay the highest prices to watch football - reluctantly in the main - but I pay it and I want the best players we can get.

It doesn't take long to look back through what we've done over the years to see times when we've risen above Par and flopped back down again - how you interpret that determines your outlook I suppose.

If we could afford 'cover' of the quality of Cesc and Nasri I don't think they'd be considering leaving.

I don't disagree on the numbers - yet I'm not pleading poverty. If we have £30-50mill a year for transfers (on top of incoming transfer money) for the next 10 years (which is highly likely now some of our building shackles are off) it doesn't mean we've got £300mill to spend now. It means we can spend £30-50mill this season. If we lose Cesc and Nasri and Clichy for £70 mill then we'll have £100mill to spend this year. thats a big difference - could it be that Wenger is looking for players better than Cahill, Cesc and Nasri?

If thats poverty pleading then so be it

[Boomer]

maybe im not reading it properly
but your not making sense?

Agreed! What happend to my 6.5%?

We hear the Grove makes around £2M a game. That's £38M over 19 games!

or put it another way.....
45,000 ST holders and lets say all the ST's cost £950. That's £42.75M.

Lets make it fair as the ST is based on 26 (19+7 Cup) fixtures.
That still £1.6M+ a game.

So.......where's the money going?

[selsdon]

It doesn't take long to look back through what we've done over the years to see times when we've risen above Par and flopped back down again - how you interpret that determines your outlook I suppose.

Over the years we weren't being charged top dollar, the players weren't getting paid way above what they deserve, the managers weren't telling us they have the best Arsenal side in years, players and managers alike respected the shirt and the traditions of the club and the fans weren't treated like second-class citizens.

We are no more than a yank's and the board's plaything, we are being fleeced, we are being lied to and still the sheep swallow it all. Arsenal FC of 2011 is a million miles from the Arsenal most of us grew up and fell in love with.

[I believe overall]

maybe im not reading it properly
but your not making sense?

Agreed! What happend to my 6.5%?

We hear the Grove makes around £2M a game. That's £38M over 19 games!

or put it another way.....
45,000 ST holders and lets say all the ST's cost £950. That's £42.75M.

Lets make it fair as the ST is based on 26 (19+7 Cup) fixtures.
That still £1.6M+ a game.

So.......where's the money going?

Mostly player wages. I don't know the exact numbers (maybe someone on here does?) but I guess at 25 players average of £30k week is £39mill/year.

I can understand why there is reluctance to pay top dollar wages to all and sundry. We gambled on a contract for Denilson after losing Flamini for nowt and now it bites us cause he didn't step up. Its a never ending spiral - well it will stop at some point but I don't think we are even close to a peak.

None of it is easy - if it was we'd have won something recently.

[Babu]

Mostly player wages. I don't know the exact numbers (maybe someone on here does?) but I guess at 25 players average of £30k week is £39mill/year.

I can understand why there is reluctance to pay top dollar wages to all and sundry. We gambled on a contract for Denilson after losing Flamini for nowt and now it bites us cause he didn't step up. Its a never ending spiral - well it will stop at some point but I don't think we are even close to a peak.

None of it is easy - if it was we'd have won something recently.

2008 Arsenal wages were £101.3 million.
2009 Arsenal wages were £104 million.

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/do ... 9-9-09.pdf


Arsenal's wage bill now is £120 million.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010 ... lsea-wages

[I believe overall]

Mostly player wages. I don't know the exact numbers (maybe someone on here does?) but I guess at 25 players average of £30k week is £39mill/year.

I can understand why there is reluctance to pay top dollar wages to all and sundry. We gambled on a contract for Denilson after losing Flamini for nowt and now it bites us cause he didn't step up. Its a never ending spiral - well it will stop at some point but I don't think we are even close to a peak.

None of it is easy - if it was we'd have won something recently.

2008 Arsenal wages were £101.3 million.
2009 Arsenal wages were £104 million.

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/do ... 9-9-09.pdf


Arsenal's wage bill now is £120 million.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010 ... lsea-wages

Thanks for that. It shows up that our gate receipts are a fraction of what is required to finance a top level club these days. TV money and Champions leage money probably accounts for more. Which is why so much emphasis is put but AW on getting that 4th spot. We are getting exactly what we are aiming for and it surprises him that we aren't entirely happy with it.

If we upgrade our players, then the transfer fee and agents fees are just a fraction of the real cost.

If we make a stand and don't pay the players - they leave- if we do pay them we don't have enough to bring in better talent to replace them.

I've got more questions than answers on this - but do we do enough commercially to sell our shirts in the far east and elsewhere? Hypothetically and just for commercial reasons, if we brought in Messi tomorrow for £100mill would we get that back in sponsorships, shirt sales worldwide and a growing fanbase?

If we didn't have him already - could we afford Cesc Fabregas - or will we be consigned to the grow your own brigade for the foreseeable?

[Boomer]

Cesc trained today with the rest of the squad.

STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE BARCA!!! :finger:

[Goonanana]

Is it all doom and gloom if everyone goes? Going with pessimistic figures

Kitty already - £30 million
Cesc - £35 million
Nasri - £20 million
Clichy - £7 Million
Denilson - £3 million
Bendtner - £4 million
Arshavin - £10 million
Squillachi - 0.5 million
Almunia - 2 Million
TR7 - £1 million

Total - £112.5 million

So if we could get for example:

Samba - £10 million
Cahill - £10 million
Parker - £10 million
Gervinho - £15 million
Hazard - £27.5 million
Bojan - £12.5 million
Alvarez - £15 million
Given - £9 million

Maybe Baines?

Total - 109 Million + Baines?

Would that make us worse off?

GK's - Wojech / Given / Flappy
Defenders - TV5, Cahill, Samba, Sagna, Gibbs, Djorou, Kos, Baines?/Traore
Midfield - Wilshire, Hazard, Song, Parker, Alvarez, Theo, Frimpong, Ryo, Lansbury, Diaby
Strikers - RvP, Bojan, Gervinho, Chamack, Vela

Coming through the ranks (possibly) Afobe


Woudl that squad be much worse than what we've got? Ok I know it might not be realistic Wenger doing what he should but are the figures that far out?

[TeeCee]

Our gate receipts are 3m per game by the way

[Babu]

Thanks for that.
I've got more questions than answers on this - but do we do enough commercially to sell our shirts in the far east and elsewhere? Hypothetically and just for commercial reasons, if we brought in Messi tomorrow for £100mill would we get that back in sponsorships, shirt sales worldwide and a growing fanbase?

If we didn't have him already - could we afford Cesc Fabregas - or will we be consigned to the grow your own brigade for the foreseeable?

You're welcome.

I'll give you a link here to a guy that lives in my city, and who is brilliant at breaking down finances in football. It's a bit of a long read ( in fact he's done a few articles on The Arsenal ), but it's interesting and it's accurate.

Here's the one on Arsenal's alleged transfer budget 2011.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s0N7N9tHL7I/T ... 2BCash.jpg

Hypothetically - signing Messi would pay for itself, imo. Didn't Real Madrid say they sold 2 million Ronaldo shirts to cover his £80m fee?

Just looked for it, only 1,2 million, but the fee was recovered...
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Re ... 92545.html

Where we are poor is in the naming rights for the Stadium, and in shirt sponsorship revenues.

Naming rights for the Stadium could be explained or justified by saying we needed a lump sum, but shirt deal is poor.

Liverpool are getting £25million a year from their new deal...
http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/do ... ual_Re.pdf

ManU are getting about £20million a year...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 ... n-corp-aig

We are getting £5.5 million a year...and sadly we have that deal in place til 2014.
http://www.sportspromedia.com/notes_and ... orth_more/

Just to bore the rest of you even more, here's the statement of accounts 2010. On page 3 you can see the graph showing wages. ( and the profit, and how the debt has fallen ).

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/do ... ual_Re.pdf

Could we afford Cesc? Well, would he come? But really, we seem to have about £35m that we could use for transfers, according to the Swiss Rambler and the Accounts, PLUS any cash we get from the players we sell, so depending on who goes I would say that we could pretty much afford anyone, even Torres. Probably not Messi though - although we would get all the money back from shirt sales, increase in Season Tickets ( joke ) , and of course the prize money from winning the Champions League with him.





Who made it this far?

Well done, whatever you are!

[I believe overall]

Thanks for that.
I've got more questions than answers on this - but do we do enough commercially to sell our shirts in the far east and elsewhere? Hypothetically and just for commercial reasons, if we brought in Messi tomorrow for £100mill would we get that back in sponsorships, shirt sales worldwide and a growing fanbase?

If we didn't have him already - could we afford Cesc Fabregas - or will we be consigned to the grow your own brigade for the foreseeable?

You're welcome.

I'll give you a link here to a guy that lives in my city, and who is brilliant at breaking down finances in football. It's a bit of a long read ( in fact he's done a few articles on The Arsenal ), but it's interesting and it's accurate.

Here's the one on Arsenal's alleged transfer budget 2011.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s0N7N9tHL7I/T ... 2BCash.jpg

Hypothetically - signing Messi would pay for itself, imo. Didn't Real Madrid say they sold 2 million Ronaldo shirts to cover his £80m fee?

Just looked for it, only 1,2 million, but the fee was recovered...
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Re ... 92545.html

Where we are poor is in the naming rights for the Stadium, and in shirt sponsorship revenues.

Naming rights for the Stadium could be explained or justified by saying we needed a lump sum, but shirt deal is poor.

Liverpool are getting £25million a year from their new deal...
http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/do ... ual_Re.pdf

ManU are getting about £20million a year...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 ... n-corp-aig

We are getting £5.5 million a year...and sadly we have that deal in place til 2014.
http://www.sportspromedia.com/notes_and ... orth_more/

Just to bore the rest of you even more, here's the statement of accounts 2010. On page 3 you can see the graph showing wages. ( and the profit, and how the debt has fallen ).

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/do ... ual_Re.pdf

Could we afford Cesc? Well, would he come? But really, we seem to have about £35m that we could use for transfers, according to the Swiss Rambler and the Accounts, PLUS any cash we get from the players we sell, so depending on who goes I would say that we could pretty much afford anyone, even Torres. Probably not Messi though - although we would get all the money back from shirt sales, increase in Season Tickets ( joke ) , and of course the prize money from winning the Champions League with him.





Who made it this far?

Well done, whatever you are!

Thanks again for that. On the basis that you seem to know as much as anyone about our finances - if nothing were to change (i.e. we don't increase our commercial derived income) do you think we can rely on £30mill a year for the foreseeable as profit that could be put towards players? Or does the £35mill you mention include profit from players we've sold in the past but banked the money?

I'm looking for a realistic annual expenditure so I know what to hang my expectations on.

[Babu]

Thanks again for that. On the basis that you seem to know as much as anyone about our finances - if nothing were to change (i.e. we don't increase our commercial derived income) do you think we can rely on £30mill a year for the foreseeable as profit that could be put towards players? Or does the £35mill you mention include profit from players we've sold in the past but banked the money?

I'm looking for a realistic annual expenditure so I know what to hang my expectations on.

I know very little about the finances, to be honest, but I do have a few friends that know a lot.

Can we rely on £30m a year? NO, short answer.

Our commercial income is so poor...





But IF the Financial Fair Play thingy comes in and there are no loop-holes in it, and we finally pay off the Stadium, then we will be set for ever.

[TeeCee]

Except by then we'll be playing in front of 30,000 crowds!

[Babu]

Except by then we'll be playing in front of 30,000 crowds!

If that.

But at least there'll be standing terraces allowed in the Npower Football League Two.

Always look on the bright side...

[OneBardGooner]

Look Wenger yer Tosser this is Very Simple..

Clichey is Gone!..£7million....fine No Worries...Now telephone Newcastle Utd and buy Enrique £6 million - One Mill To the Good and a better LB....Aaaaand sell denilshyte to Villarael for £5 mill and buy Shay Given from the Mancs for £4 million Another Mill in the Bank Kerrrchhinngggg!

As If !