Transfer Rumours Thread

[brazilianGOONER]

how else do you think Fabregas got here?

because of a hole in spanish law. we paid almost nothing to him, which means it has nothing to do with spending zillions on unproven fuckers like oxprit-chilverstone.

fans who moan about our lack of maturity and experience but then want us to pay over 10 million pounds for a kid who looks a bit promising are what i consider to be wide off the mark, mate.

[Gunnersaurus]

how else do you think Fabregas got here?

because of a hole in spanish law. we paid almost nothing to him, which means it has nothing to do with spending zillions on unproven fuckers like oxprit-chilverstone.

fans who moan about our lack of maturity and experience but then want us to pay over 10 million pounds for a kid who looks a bit promising are what i consider to be wide off the mark, mate.

Well done for completely missing the point, the manager still has to do what it takes to secure the best young talent, fans that bang their feet and cry because the whole operation is not focussed on the first team need to wake up, you cry because we don't spend like Chelsea or City, well Chelsea have to spend because they have no quality kids, no club should neglect that side, it will now cost them another 300m to stay in their position once this team winds down like it is.

If hes that good then the club should act.

[brazilianGOONER]

how else do you think Fabregas got here?

because of a hole in spanish law. we paid almost nothing to him, which means it has nothing to do with spending zillions on unproven fuckers like oxprit-chilverstone.

fans who moan about our lack of maturity and experience but then want us to pay over 10 million pounds for a kid who looks a bit promising are what i consider to be wide off the mark, mate.

Well done for completely missing the point, the manager still has to do what it takes to secure the best young talent, fans that bang their feet and cry because the whole operation is not focussed on the first team need to wake up, you cry because we don't spend like Chelsea or City, well Chelsea have to spend because they have no quality kids, no club should neglect that side, it will now cost them another 300m to stay in their position once this team winds down like it is.

If hes that good then the club should act.

so your proposition is: keep buying unproven players for high prices and high wages?

sorry mate, but we have limited money, so either we spend on those promising youngsters or we buy the quality we need. we don't have the money nor the willingness to spend on both at the same time. and looking at the squad, we already have enough promising youngsters on the team (afobe, aneke, wilshere, myaichi, szczesny, lansbury etc) so i think the focus should be on the experienced side now.

if we spend what we have on youth, we may see the result in a few years. however, we are on danger of losing top 4 spot and we're on the biggest low of the entire 15-year-old wenger era, which means we must do whatever necessary to raise the quality of the team NOW not tomorrow.

if we pay anything more than the alledged 6M on that kid i'll be furious. we need to spend that money on people who can actually make a difference.

[I Hate Hleb]

wow, reading this thread reminds me of why i never come here. people are fighting over the signing of a 17 year old nobody....

And don't think we're not grateful for that.

[Gunnersaurus]

how else do you think Fabregas got here?

because of a hole in spanish law. we paid almost nothing to him, which means it has nothing to do with spending zillions on unproven fuckers like oxprit-chilverstone.

fans who moan about our lack of maturity and experience but then want us to pay over 10 million pounds for a kid who looks a bit promising are what i consider to be wide off the mark, mate.

Well done for completely missing the point, the manager still has to do what it takes to secure the best young talent, fans that bang their feet and cry because the whole operation is not focussed on the first team need to wake up, you cry because we don't spend like Chelsea or City, well Chelsea have to spend because they have no quality kids, no club should neglect that side, it will now cost them another 300m to stay in their position once this team winds down like it is.

If hes that good then the club should act.

so your proposition is: keep buying unproven players for high prices and high wages?

sorry mate, but we have limited money, so either we spend on those promising youngsters or we buy the quality we need. we don't have the money nor the willingness to spend on both at the same time. and looking at the squad, we already have enough promising youngsters on the team (afobe, aneke, wilshere, myaichi, szczesny, lansbury etc) so i think the focus should be on the experienced side now.

if we spend what we have on youth, we may see the result in a few years. however, we are on danger of losing top 4 spot and we're on the biggest low of the entire 15-year-old wenger era, which means we must do whatever necessary to raise the quality of the team NOW not tomorrow.

if we pay anything more than the alledged 6M on that kid i'll be furious. we need to spend that money on people who can actually make a difference.

Did you read my post? It was quite clear that we need to strengthen in other areas but we also need to do what it takes to secure the best young talent, Ronaldo being the example.

Our best player last year was a 19 year old, if we had 10 more Wilshere's we would be champions so there needs to be a balance, if you think not buying Chamberlin means he will spend more on the first team then you are kidding yourself.

[Babu]

well Chelsea have to spend because they have no quality kids, no club should neglect that side, it will now cost them another 300m to stay in their position once this team winds down like it is.

WOW!

Just a quick look at how many chelsea youngsters are out on loan to other clubs...
http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2011/ ... rs-on-loan

Sure, many of them won't make it, or will be sold, but they have tried to get promising youngsters.

Now seriously, how many promising youngsters have made it with us?
All this talk of our academy, but really, where are the players?

In fact, since Wenger has been at the Club, how many players have made it from the academy to be established, first team stars?

I'm interested to know.

NOT sticking up for chelsea btw, or having a go at you, but I think this 'promising youngsters from the academy' idea has been well and truly blown out of the water.

The only time it has worked is the ManU *word censored* a few years back now with Beckham and whatever the rest were called.

Or am I forgetting something? It is very likely, to be fair. And I will apologise for the tone of this post if I am proven to be a touch senile.

[Babu]

I'll start with Wilshere, even though he hasn't made it yet, but he looks like he might get there.

Ashley Cole another one.

Could you include Fabregas? I wouldn't. Not from our academy. So one and a half, by my reckoning.

I must have forgotten someone. Surely?!?

[Gunnersaurus]

well Chelsea have to spend because they have no quality kids, no club should neglect that side, it will now cost them another 300m to stay in their position once this team winds down like it is.

WOW!

Just a quick look at how many chelsea youngsters are out on loan to other clubs...
http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2011/ ... rs-on-loan

Sure, many of them won't make it, or will be sold, but they have tried to get promising youngsters.

Now seriously, how many promising youngsters have made it with us?
All this talk of our academy, but really, where are the players?

In fact, since Wenger has been at the Club, how many players have made it from the academy to be established, first team stars?

I'm interested to know.

NOT sticking up for chelsea btw, or having a go at you, but I think this 'promising youngsters from the academy' idea has been well and truly blown out of the water.

The only time it has worked is the ManU c**ts a few years back now with Beckham and whatever the rest were called.

Or am I forgetting something? It is very likely, to be fair. And I will apologise for the tone of this post if I am proven to be a touch senile.

Off the top of my head Cole, Bendtner, Jack, Gibbs and Djourou all went through the academy to the first team, that's not the point though, the point is if they see someone with that X Factor like Ronaldo then they should do what needs to be done, granted paying silly money for kids is not the done thing but the club don't generally do that anyway, its always minimal spend, if they spend big on him then they must feel strongly about him and they are not plucking him from Southampton's academy, he is the star of their team.

[OneBardGooner]

My god Wenger has spoken .

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... -and-cesc-

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... n-players-

But still the same old shit .

And from the first of those interviews he says of fabregas:

"
“We will take the strongest possible squad,â€

[OneBardGooner]

wow, reading this thread reminds me of why i never come here. people are fighting over the signing of a 17 year old nobody....

And don't think we're not grateful for that.

[MK Gould]

My problem with "investing" £12m in a 17 year old is that it's likely as not that it'll be 4 or 5 years before you start getting payback and by that stage he'll be frustrated at the lack of trophies and looking for a move to a more successful club.....and to entice him to the club he would also no doubt be on some stupidly high weekly wage and long term contract.

And at that age there is no guarantee that he will be a success anyway so it becomes a very high risk approach.

So in many ways spending twice that amount on someone experienced who can come straight into the team actually makes more sense.....

[StuartL]

Wouldn't our £6 million bid be the upfront amount with further amounts payable based on appearances, England caps, etc, etc. just like the Walcott deal ?

And Southampton were so cash strapped that we settled early on the add ons saving ourselves a good few quid on Theo.

I haven't seen much of Oxo - Chamberpot but we should continue to buy youngsters with brilliant potential for the good of the squad in a few years time but for Wenger, his time for potential being realised is too late, it is all about here and now, this transfer window, this season, or else he is gone.

The goodwill his early seasons of success and brilliant football rightly earned him has all but disappeared and the frustration, despair and lack of trust in him from a growing number of fans in what he publically says, how he works in the transfer market and his blind faith in players who have consistantly failed him and themselves means this is his final stand.

Had he bought Reina, Alonso, Samba (or Smalling) all of who we were very close to getting bar a couple of million here and there we would have a hell of a better team than we do now.

A couple of million, that's selling off Denilson (or not buying Squllaci) eitther way, its no big deal and could have made all the difference to winning trophies, titles and being a major force in English football again, not just also rans.

He has to get this transfer window right, sadly it all points to going the way several others have gone before.

[1989]

My god Wenger has spoken .

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... -and-cesc-

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... n-players-

But still the same old shit .

And from the first of those interviews he says of fabregas:

"
“We will take the strongest possible squad,â€

[TeeCee]

The problem is, Arsenal don't want to pay the fee for a player whatever the price is! It just seems that Wenger sees himself as some kind of early Alan Sugar figure, where he has to knock at least 30% off of any fee. It is seriously embarrassing and very frustrating.
It's not rocket science. You want to sign a player, you rate him, his club don't want to sell....much like us with Cesc......and ask for a shitload of cash, you offer a stupid figure, you end up meeting at a figure that is acceptable. But no, not fucking Wenger the Economist, if he can't get a player for a bargain fee then he just doesn't bother, regardless of how much it will damage the team not to strengthen.
Football manager? Arsene Wenger is a c***, that's all he is, he's not even a poor excuse for a football manager.

[Nos89]

Read to day that Southampton "laughed" at our £6m bid for Oxlade Chamberlain. Who the fuck are Southampton to laugh at our bid? and why the hell are we being made a joke of when it comes to transfers?

WENGER stop pissing about, get the players you want in. Do it with minimum of fuss, and maximum effect. Utd, City, Barca, Real Madrid, Inter do not piss about, we are just as rich as they are yet we scrapping about. Sunderland have shown their intentions in the transfer market and will probably finish above next season.

People were up in arms when they heard we bid 12million for him. Now we have supposedly bid 6m ( which probably what he is worth) people are saying we should be "sorting" this out.

Fact reamins it sJuly 8th no signings, the team go to aisa on sunday so we wont be signing anyone never mind oxtail soup

Liverpool will beat us to Mata and Wenger can go back on his pirate ship and play with inflatable slides

I see your point but I know for a fact if we had bought this guy for 12m then people would be having a go at Wenger for wasting money on unproven crap.

I dont really care about oxtail soup. I just dont see what the hold up is.

Exactly, what is the hold up? If wenger wants to sign him, them just do it, stop pissing about for a couple of million. Same goes for samba, cahill, gervinho and any other target. We lost out on alvarez over a couple of million. Just get on with it.