Just for the record, any other Gooners here calling that red nosed bastard by affectionate name of Fergie?jambug wrote:
I know Wenger has made mistakes but so do all managers including Fergie.
I think I smell a WUM.
Listen to yourselves
Henry Norris.
If you think fa cups are more important than CL qualification thats up to you but I dont and heres why.
I've never heard a player saying he wants to join a club for FA cup football but I would suggest many many players join a team for the sole possibility of CL football. Of course they want medals but most players in the modern game, rightly or wrongly see the CL as the holly grail.
Failure to qualify for it but winning a couple of FA cups may of kept you and your friends happy in the short term but in my opinion if that had happened to Arsenal over the last 6 years we would be in a far far worse possition than we are now.
As for calling the board 'money grabbing' if running the club within it's financial limitations and not laying it open to financial ruin is being money grabbing so be it. Saddly the state of many individuals as well as countries, financial woes are down to the attitude of the 'spend now worry about paying later' brigade that you seem to affiliate to.
As for Wenger not having any passion I just don't buy that. Fro some of his antics on the touch line last year he seemed to me more passionate than ever.
Eboue-why.
Arsenal where in the same possition many many people have found themselves in when they take on a new and much bigger morgage. If you have ever took out a morgage then surely you understand the restraints that puts you under, especially in the first years, and even more so when the worst ression in modern times kicks in 6 months after you take out the morgage. So know there as yet hasn't been much progress but I believe under the cercumstances we have done well to hang in there.
I know you'll all disagree but sorry thats how I see it.
If you think fa cups are more important than CL qualification thats up to you but I dont and heres why.
I've never heard a player saying he wants to join a club for FA cup football but I would suggest many many players join a team for the sole possibility of CL football. Of course they want medals but most players in the modern game, rightly or wrongly see the CL as the holly grail.
Failure to qualify for it but winning a couple of FA cups may of kept you and your friends happy in the short term but in my opinion if that had happened to Arsenal over the last 6 years we would be in a far far worse possition than we are now.
As for calling the board 'money grabbing' if running the club within it's financial limitations and not laying it open to financial ruin is being money grabbing so be it. Saddly the state of many individuals as well as countries, financial woes are down to the attitude of the 'spend now worry about paying later' brigade that you seem to affiliate to.
As for Wenger not having any passion I just don't buy that. Fro some of his antics on the touch line last year he seemed to me more passionate than ever.
Eboue-why.
Arsenal where in the same possition many many people have found themselves in when they take on a new and much bigger morgage. If you have ever took out a morgage then surely you understand the restraints that puts you under, especially in the first years, and even more so when the worst ression in modern times kicks in 6 months after you take out the morgage. So know there as yet hasn't been much progress but I believe under the cercumstances we have done well to hang in there.
I know you'll all disagree but sorry thats how I see it.
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Welcome aboard Jambug. 
Right. That's the nice bit out of the way.
Your opening post was a tad insulting. Never question the loyalty of the people on here. Or their knowledge.We are all Gooners (apart from a Mackem and a Stokie) and we love our club just as much as you do.
We have every right to bitch about the failings of some of our players and particularly our manager.
I speak as a previous Arsene-knows-best supporter. The stubborn old sod could have won trophies in recent years. He fell short of the mark.
Good to have your input, though. Be prepared for a rough ride.
Right. That's the nice bit out of the way.
Your opening post was a tad insulting. Never question the loyalty of the people on here. Or their knowledge.We are all Gooners (apart from a Mackem and a Stokie) and we love our club just as much as you do.
We have every right to bitch about the failings of some of our players and particularly our manager.
I speak as a previous Arsene-knows-best supporter. The stubborn old sod could have won trophies in recent years. He fell short of the mark.
Good to have your input, though. Be prepared for a rough ride.
Of course I hope so too.jambug wrote: Anyway Babu it was, possibly still is going to be, an issue. But with TV and RVP back and the addition of Jack and Aaron, 2 players I see as having a great deal of spirit, playing much bigger roles, perhaps the fortitude required will be there. I hope so anyway.
I would love to be proven 100% wrong, and for this Arsenal squad to win the League this year. I would actually prefer the Champions League, as we need that to be a great team, but that's another topic.
Agree with you re Cesc - he was never 'captain' material, but then neither was TH, or Gallas, and I take your point that RvP or TV were not the right choice either, but Wenger should have seen that almost every 'team' or group of people, be it in sports or military or business needs a leader, an experienced one at that, and this is one of AW's biggest mistakes.
This season again I don't see a proper captain in our squad, and it's all very well talking about 11 captains on the pitch, but the 'too many cooks' comes to mind as well.
If Wilshere stays and develops as he has been doing then I see him as Capt. Marvel in a few years, but that's in a few years time.
Same with Ramsey, he looks to have the right mentality also.
Positive hat on now. Of course I hope that we win everything this season. If TV and RvP play all season, and Jack and Aaron form a partnership in the middle, and we get a couple of big signings in, and Gervinho hits the ground running, then who knows what could happen.
Come On You Gooners!
P.S. I really do hope Cesc pisses off. It can't be good for our 'mental strength'. Same goes for Nasri. There's a couple of others as well that should be off-loaded.
olgitgunner.
Thank you for the welcome. Well it has been a rough ride but maybe I did ask for it.
I was just very disappointed to see so much negativety. I may well be a rose tinted classes type of guy but I honestly didn't expect the amount of negativeity towards Arsenal in general and Wenger in particular that I saw. It's an Arsenal forum for pitys sake!!
Contrary to what people have said I have read and taken on board a lot of what has been said. Not only that but a hell of a lot of good points have been made.
But none of the valid individual points have made me change my over all opinion.
Wenger has made mistakes and if he'd done a few things differently maybe we could of won something, maybe not.
The point is that if he had of won the PL during the last 6 years it would of been an absolute miracle considering the financial might he was up against.
And thats the point..it would of been a MIRACLE.
Saddly Wenger just hasn't been good enough to pull of a miracle.
For all his faults I dont think the fact he couldn't deliver the miracle we hoped for is good enough reason for the amount of abuse thrown in his dirrection.
Thank you for the welcome. Well it has been a rough ride but maybe I did ask for it.
I was just very disappointed to see so much negativety. I may well be a rose tinted classes type of guy but I honestly didn't expect the amount of negativeity towards Arsenal in general and Wenger in particular that I saw. It's an Arsenal forum for pitys sake!!
Contrary to what people have said I have read and taken on board a lot of what has been said. Not only that but a hell of a lot of good points have been made.
But none of the valid individual points have made me change my over all opinion.
Wenger has made mistakes and if he'd done a few things differently maybe we could of won something, maybe not.
The point is that if he had of won the PL during the last 6 years it would of been an absolute miracle considering the financial might he was up against.
And thats the point..it would of been a MIRACLE.
Saddly Wenger just hasn't been good enough to pull of a miracle.
For all his faults I dont think the fact he couldn't deliver the miracle we hoped for is good enough reason for the amount of abuse thrown in his dirrection.
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Jambug:
It is not just about money, everyone knows Man City and Chelsea have huge amounts of cash.
It is about Wenger not using the cash available to him wisely.
He has perservered with too many sub-standard players for too long.
He has tipped the balance to youth too far, and not had enough experienced players to guide them.
He has played players in odd positions that do not get the best out of them.
He has succesfully brough Keown to the club to coach defence in 2005 - 2006, and then never asked him back.
Despite our defence being shoddy.
How much would Keown's salary be? £500,000 a year?
We can afford that, we have £30 - £35M sitting in the bank waiting to be spent.
Wenger has persisted since the summer of 2008 with only Song as our only senior defensive midfielder.
Perhaps now Frimpong and Coquelin will be used and be good, but between them they have little first team experience?
Wenger has run Cesc into the ground at a young age.
Wenger has the best training ground in the country at his disposal, but seemingly ignores effective defensive training drills.
Wenger left Arshavin on the bench for our FA Cup semi final versus Chelsea. At that time Arshavin was in top form. What was the sense in that?
For the above reasons and more, we complain.
It is not just about money, everyone knows Man City and Chelsea have huge amounts of cash.
It is about Wenger not using the cash available to him wisely.
He has perservered with too many sub-standard players for too long.
He has tipped the balance to youth too far, and not had enough experienced players to guide them.
He has played players in odd positions that do not get the best out of them.
He has succesfully brough Keown to the club to coach defence in 2005 - 2006, and then never asked him back.
Despite our defence being shoddy.
How much would Keown's salary be? £500,000 a year?
We can afford that, we have £30 - £35M sitting in the bank waiting to be spent.
Wenger has persisted since the summer of 2008 with only Song as our only senior defensive midfielder.
Perhaps now Frimpong and Coquelin will be used and be good, but between them they have little first team experience?
Wenger has run Cesc into the ground at a young age.
Wenger has the best training ground in the country at his disposal, but seemingly ignores effective defensive training drills.
Wenger left Arshavin on the bench for our FA Cup semi final versus Chelsea. At that time Arshavin was in top form. What was the sense in that?
For the above reasons and more, we complain.
Disagree, but I understand your point.jambug wrote: Arsenal where in the same possition many many people have found themselves in when they take on a new and much bigger morgage. If you have ever took out a morgage then surely you understand the restraints that puts you under, especially in the first years, and even more so when the worst ression in modern times kicks in 6 months after you take out the morgage. So know there as yet hasn't been much progress but I believe under the cercumstances we have done well to hang in there.
I know you'll all disagree but sorry thats how I see it.
Problem is that just £10m more every window wouldn't have financially runied us and would have seen us challenging, and in my opinion, winning a few trophies in the last 6 years.
We could have had Given for £5m, Kompany, Inler, a proper winger, a fox in the box, for that money, and we should have built on a position of strength, but we didn't.
This imo is Wenger being an arrogant git and not wanting to buy someone else's player, but wanting to develop the whole team on his own.
Another failing of Wenger's.
Also Bendtner on the wing, Cygan on the wing, Arshavin on the wing - buy a bloody winger - or play without them.
Another failing.
There are just too many failings.
Bugger, my positive hat has just fallen off.
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Henry Norris 1913
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We'd have had some 'financial might' had we sold Denilson, Diaby, Eboue, Bendtner and Almunia fours yrs ago saving around £13 mill a yr wages and generating £50 mill in sales.jambug wrote: The point is that if he had of won the PL during the last 6 years it would of been an absolute miracle considering the financial might he was up against.
A less stubborn, arrogant, deluded, senile manager would have done exactly that, replaced them with much better quality for little or no extra outlay and we may have witnessed that 'miracle'.
Like the bible, what you're spouting is pure fiction m8.
Welcome by the way.
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